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Empty Wardrobes
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‘In my family, marriages aren’t a beginning, they’re an end.’
I should have learned by now not to finish novels while on the desk at work. Books such as this can deliver a swift and sudden gut punch of an ending, leaving you viscerally staggering—a trait I tend to look for in a short novel—and within seconds I’m smiling my customer service voice and resolving a problem that can never compare to the emotional devstation still blooming inside. Empty Wadrobes, Portuguese writer Maria Judite de Carvalho’s 1966 novel, sets its literary teeth to confronting the systemic patriarchal socializations that make women into objects in their own lives, like novelties in a museum or furnishings in the showroom of a man’s life. The story follows Dora Rosário, widowed at a young age by a man ‘whose sole activity’ was ‘being nothing,’ and luckily climbing out of poverty in order to raise her daughter Lisa, as a secret of her past shatters her world and inspires her to reinvent herself. Gorgeously translated by Margaret Jull Costa and told through a narrator seemingly a distance from the story but revealed to be much more emotionally close than expected, Carvalho writes with a sharp wit and dark humor across this quietly devastating novel that becomes an unflinching portrait of patriarchal society where uncomfortable truths are silenced and the lives and dreams of women are suppressed at the mercies of men.
‘When he died, Dora found her life transformed into a desert.’
As Kate Zambreno points out in the intro, the domestic setting of Empty Wardrobes only underscores it as a tale of how the political seeps into daily life, with the novel set ‘in the regime of a dictator who weaponized Catholicism and “family values,”’ of Portugal under Salazar. For instance, Dora Rosário’s name means “rosarie,” and she spends her life in memory of her late husband much like one slowly going bead by bead in prayer, remaining largely interior, humble in manners and dress, and most notably, rather compliant. This is a society ruled by men but also one where troubles, taboos, or anything deemed impolite for society is swept under the rug and left to fester. The novel opens recounting the years following the death of Duarte, Dora’s husband, and how the domestic insistence of women to only be homemakers has left her with no job skills and a hungry child is a society that, for all it’s religious gesturing, has no interest in actually helping her. By happy circumstances she is able to find work in an antique shop dubbed The Museum by her and her daughter, Lisa, and affords a manageable lifestyle, yet it is still one of modesty that doesn’t branch beyond caring for work, her daughter, or mother-in-law (she is at all times ‘under the simultaneously suspicious and reticent eye of her mother-in-law’). She is, as the now teenage Lisa says, ‘both ageless and hopeless,’ living her life as if always mourning Duarte, that is until a secret upends everything and she decides to begin anew.
‘ You refuse to see that it is the jungle. For you, it’s a paradise that you don’t want to lose.’
Feminist existentialist Simone de Beauvoir wrote that while society has always belonged to men ‘none of the reasons given for this have ever seemed sufficient.’ The disconnect between the opportunities and social graces given to men compared to women, much of what upholds patriarchy, are evident from the juxtaposition of Duarte and Dora. While she is an eyesore to those when in need and otherwise completely overlooked (until she begins to lean into a more male-gaze sexualized manner of dress and make-up), Duarte is spoken of as a saint despite having no accomplishments to his name. He spent his days refusing any sort of efforts to climb the social or corporate ladder, not wanting to participate in that world at all. Which, yea, great, but would his insistence of purity be applauded if he were a woman, or would be looked at as a leech or burden the way people look at Dora while she is struggling financially. She is not allowed ‘invisible pedestal on which he had placed himself’ the way a man is. ‘An egotistical Christ,’ Dora thinks of him, ‘a secular, unbelieving Christ who had only come into the world in order to save himself. But save himself from what, from what hell?’ Having social mobility and understanding allows Duarte to choose to see the world as being without predators, but as Dora think ‘ they exist. And while they may not devour us, they devour the food that should be ours.’ For her, optimist is a privilege she cannot have when seeing how at every opportunity those with wealth, power, and social standings ensure those without are decimated. Yet she is socialized to only blame herself:
For her, the world is bleak and she must silently suffer within it. She is ‘a gray woman, slightly bent, lost in a plundered city deserted after the plague,’ without Duarte, though we do see a transfiguration once her past becomes a broken idol, the crumbling producing a shockwave that will inevitably crumble the lives of all the women in the novel. This little book has some jaw-dropping twists, including the final moments where I wanted to shout “fuuuuuuuuuuck” into the void.
‘Men’s dominant positions in [society] allows them to be absolute subjects and to make women into absolute objects,’ wrote Mona Chollet in her book on the stigmas against women, In Defense of Witches, echoing the ideas set forth by Beauvoir. One of these ways is that men have positioned themselves so that ‘their decay is not counted against them’ the way it is for women. Or, as retweeted by Carrie Fisher while facing age-shaming when she appeared in the Star Wars sequels, ‘Men don’t age better than women, they’re just allowed to age.’ It is constantly thrown at the reader that Dora at age 36 is considered old and obsolete. This has even seeped into teenage Lisa who expresses that ‘by the time you’re thirty, it’s all over.’ Contrasted with this is Ernesto, the wealthy lawyer and pedophile who is able to be considered a sort of silver fox and productive member of society in his late 40s. Similarly, an act that could be a image-destroying moment for a woman is nothing by ‘looking around here and there for a little excitement,’ for a socially fixed man.
‘At the same time that young women are disadvantaged by age and gender, youth does carry currency, which can be mistaken for power. If you are a woman, however, this currency is not on your terms.’
- Tavi Gevinson
There is another aspect here where underaged girls are told they are mature and given access to social standings yet only for the purpose of abuse. ‘ If you can still be considered “mature for your age,” you are not an older person’s equal,’ Tavi Gevinson warns in her extraodinary article on power dynamics, ‘this observation can easily go from an act of respect to license for harm.’ We have Lisa, freshly 17, who is repeatedly characterized by her ‘love of life,’ her ‘ strange ability to turn people and things into glass or even air,’ and her faith in her hopes and dreams to escape the traps laid out for women. To the lecherous eyes of men, particularly men who have amassed wealth for the purpose of hoarding power over others, this becomes a commodity that they wish to hold. Men often mask their insecurities by dating women much younger than them (Leonardo Dicaprio has reduced himself to simply being a living meme about this) to hold onto the fleeting past of youth and because they can manipulate desire and their wealth to groom them into not noticing the glaring power imbalances. A woman who dates a younger man is considered suspect or unflatteringly called a cougar, but for a nearly-50 year old man to sleep with a teenage girl here they get congratulations at the office. This is particularly vile in a socio-religious community where women are preached at to want nothing beyond household duties and servitude to a husband, and readers here are forced to see the horrors coming of youthful dreams snuffed out to be commoditized into a sexual trophy, to be a housewife in a rich man’s home the ways a hunter hangs heads as decor on their walls. As Chollet writes, this is all another way social conditioning of patriarchy ‘locks women into their role as reproducers and disenfranchises them from participation in the world of work.’
Ana, the mother-in-law and ‘the main tower of the fortress,’ is often representative of the internalized misogyny that allows these conditions to persist generationally. In The Second Sex, Beauvoir warns against mothers becoming a mouthpiece for patriarchy by conditioning young girls into lives of domestic servitude (though she most effectively demonstrates this in her novella Inseparable), and we find that the most damning moments in Empty Wardrobes are not only condoned but encouraged by Ana.
We find this in other ways, too, such as the cult of silence around abuse or tragedy in the family. Aunt Julia has suffered horribly in the past, but nobody mentions it other than ‘that man,’ or ‘the child’ the same way Dora’s own suffering will be ‘that woman.’ Without giving voice to things, even if it isn’t ‘for polite society,’ it robs women the opportunity to speak out against them or use their voice to demand better. One is reminded of the opening to Betty Friedan’s The Feminine Mystique where she describes a wife who ‘was afraid to ask even of herself the silent question—‘Is this all?’’
Which is, effectively, how these women become furniture in their own homes and lives. Or as the narrator says ‘I had ceased to be his companion and become, instead, the landscape to which he had grown accustomed.’ Carvalho’s sharp words force us to revile these realities in Empty Wardrobes, and the devastating conclusion will leave the reader seeing the necessity of speaking out against them. As [author:Kate Zambreno|3501330 writes in her intro, this captures ‘the consciousness of so many women familiar yet unknowable, no longer muted, not saturated with sanctimony but alive, alive with rage transmuting disdain into hilarity by sheer force, alive with intense paroxysms of sadness.’ It is a short book but it will certainly leave a hell of a bruise.
4.5/5
I should have learned by now not to finish novels while on the desk at work. Books such as this can deliver a swift and sudden gut punch of an ending, leaving you viscerally staggering—a trait I tend to look for in a short novel—and within seconds I’m smiling my customer service voice and resolving a problem that can never compare to the emotional devstation still blooming inside. Empty Wadrobes, Portuguese writer Maria Judite de Carvalho’s 1966 novel, sets its literary teeth to confronting the systemic patriarchal socializations that make women into objects in their own lives, like novelties in a museum or furnishings in the showroom of a man’s life. The story follows Dora Rosário, widowed at a young age by a man ‘whose sole activity’ was ‘being nothing,’ and luckily climbing out of poverty in order to raise her daughter Lisa, as a secret of her past shatters her world and inspires her to reinvent herself. Gorgeously translated by Margaret Jull Costa and told through a narrator seemingly a distance from the story but revealed to be much more emotionally close than expected, Carvalho writes with a sharp wit and dark humor across this quietly devastating novel that becomes an unflinching portrait of patriarchal society where uncomfortable truths are silenced and the lives and dreams of women are suppressed at the mercies of men.
‘When he died, Dora found her life transformed into a desert.’
As Kate Zambreno points out in the intro, the domestic setting of Empty Wardrobes only underscores it as a tale of how the political seeps into daily life, with the novel set ‘in the regime of a dictator who weaponized Catholicism and “family values,”’ of Portugal under Salazar. For instance, Dora Rosário’s name means “rosarie,” and she spends her life in memory of her late husband much like one slowly going bead by bead in prayer, remaining largely interior, humble in manners and dress, and most notably, rather compliant. This is a society ruled by men but also one where troubles, taboos, or anything deemed impolite for society is swept under the rug and left to fester. The novel opens recounting the years following the death of Duarte, Dora’s husband, and how the domestic insistence of women to only be homemakers has left her with no job skills and a hungry child is a society that, for all it’s religious gesturing, has no interest in actually helping her. By happy circumstances she is able to find work in an antique shop dubbed The Museum by her and her daughter, Lisa, and affords a manageable lifestyle, yet it is still one of modesty that doesn’t branch beyond caring for work, her daughter, or mother-in-law (she is at all times ‘under the simultaneously suspicious and reticent eye of her mother-in-law’). She is, as the now teenage Lisa says, ‘both ageless and hopeless,’ living her life as if always mourning Duarte, that is until a secret upends everything and she decides to begin anew.
‘ You refuse to see that it is the jungle. For you, it’s a paradise that you don’t want to lose.’
Feminist existentialist Simone de Beauvoir wrote that while society has always belonged to men ‘none of the reasons given for this have ever seemed sufficient.’ The disconnect between the opportunities and social graces given to men compared to women, much of what upholds patriarchy, are evident from the juxtaposition of Duarte and Dora. While she is an eyesore to those when in need and otherwise completely overlooked (until she begins to lean into a more male-gaze sexualized manner of dress and make-up), Duarte is spoken of as a saint despite having no accomplishments to his name. He spent his days refusing any sort of efforts to climb the social or corporate ladder, not wanting to participate in that world at all. Which, yea, great, but would his insistence of purity be applauded if he were a woman, or would be looked at as a leech or burden the way people look at Dora while she is struggling financially. She is not allowed ‘invisible pedestal on which he had placed himself’ the way a man is. ‘An egotistical Christ,’ Dora thinks of him, ‘a secular, unbelieving Christ who had only come into the world in order to save himself. But save himself from what, from what hell?’ Having social mobility and understanding allows Duarte to choose to see the world as being without predators, but as Dora think ‘ they exist. And while they may not devour us, they devour the food that should be ours.’ For her, optimist is a privilege she cannot have when seeing how at every opportunity those with wealth, power, and social standings ensure those without are decimated. Yet she is socialized to only blame herself:
‘“Some people got religion or killed themselves after losing someone, whether that person died or just left them. Dora Rosario, however, didn’t blame anyone else for her misfortune. Only herself. She loathed herself, but not enough to seek relief in death. No, she simply disliked herself, a more modest sentiment.’
For her, the world is bleak and she must silently suffer within it. She is ‘a gray woman, slightly bent, lost in a plundered city deserted after the plague,’ without Duarte, though we do see a transfiguration once her past becomes a broken idol, the crumbling producing a shockwave that will inevitably crumble the lives of all the women in the novel. This little book has some jaw-dropping twists, including the final moments where I wanted to shout “fuuuuuuuuuuck” into the void.
‘Men’s dominant positions in [society] allows them to be absolute subjects and to make women into absolute objects,’ wrote Mona Chollet in her book on the stigmas against women, In Defense of Witches, echoing the ideas set forth by Beauvoir. One of these ways is that men have positioned themselves so that ‘their decay is not counted against them’ the way it is for women. Or, as retweeted by Carrie Fisher while facing age-shaming when she appeared in the Star Wars sequels, ‘Men don’t age better than women, they’re just allowed to age.’ It is constantly thrown at the reader that Dora at age 36 is considered old and obsolete. This has even seeped into teenage Lisa who expresses that ‘by the time you’re thirty, it’s all over.’ Contrasted with this is Ernesto, the wealthy lawyer and pedophile who is able to be considered a sort of silver fox and productive member of society in his late 40s. Similarly, an act that could be a image-destroying moment for a woman is nothing by ‘looking around here and there for a little excitement,’ for a socially fixed man.
‘At the same time that young women are disadvantaged by age and gender, youth does carry currency, which can be mistaken for power. If you are a woman, however, this currency is not on your terms.’
- Tavi Gevinson
There is another aspect here where underaged girls are told they are mature and given access to social standings yet only for the purpose of abuse. ‘ If you can still be considered “mature for your age,” you are not an older person’s equal,’ Tavi Gevinson warns in her extraodinary article on power dynamics, ‘this observation can easily go from an act of respect to license for harm.’ We have Lisa, freshly 17, who is repeatedly characterized by her ‘love of life,’ her ‘ strange ability to turn people and things into glass or even air,’ and her faith in her hopes and dreams to escape the traps laid out for women. To the lecherous eyes of men, particularly men who have amassed wealth for the purpose of hoarding power over others, this becomes a commodity that they wish to hold. Men often mask their insecurities by dating women much younger than them (Leonardo Dicaprio has reduced himself to simply being a living meme about this) to hold onto the fleeting past of youth and because they can manipulate desire and their wealth to groom them into not noticing the glaring power imbalances. A woman who dates a younger man is considered suspect or unflatteringly called a cougar, but for a nearly-50 year old man to sleep with a teenage girl here they get congratulations at the office. This is particularly vile in a socio-religious community where women are preached at to want nothing beyond household duties and servitude to a husband, and readers here are forced to see the horrors coming of youthful dreams snuffed out to be commoditized into a sexual trophy, to be a housewife in a rich man’s home the ways a hunter hangs heads as decor on their walls. As Chollet writes, this is all another way social conditioning of patriarchy ‘locks women into their role as reproducers and disenfranchises them from participation in the world of work.’
Ana, the mother-in-law and ‘the main tower of the fortress,’ is often representative of the internalized misogyny that allows these conditions to persist generationally. In The Second Sex, Beauvoir warns against mothers becoming a mouthpiece for patriarchy by conditioning young girls into lives of domestic servitude (though she most effectively demonstrates this in her novella Inseparable), and we find that the most damning moments in Empty Wardrobes are not only condoned but encouraged by Ana.
We find this in other ways, too, such as the cult of silence around abuse or tragedy in the family. Aunt Julia has suffered horribly in the past, but nobody mentions it other than ‘that man,’ or ‘the child’ the same way Dora’s own suffering will be ‘that woman.’ Without giving voice to things, even if it isn’t ‘for polite society,’ it robs women the opportunity to speak out against them or use their voice to demand better. One is reminded of the opening to Betty Friedan’s The Feminine Mystique where she describes a wife who ‘was afraid to ask even of herself the silent question—‘Is this all?’’
Which is, effectively, how these women become furniture in their own homes and lives. Or as the narrator says ‘I had ceased to be his companion and become, instead, the landscape to which he had grown accustomed.’ Carvalho’s sharp words force us to revile these realities in Empty Wardrobes, and the devastating conclusion will leave the reader seeing the necessity of speaking out against them. As [author:Kate Zambreno|3501330 writes in her intro, this captures ‘the consciousness of so many women familiar yet unknowable, no longer muted, not saturated with sanctimony but alive, alive with rage transmuting disdain into hilarity by sheer force, alive with intense paroxysms of sadness.’ It is a short book but it will certainly leave a hell of a bruise.
4.5/5
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This sounds very sad. Yet, you convey an importance of how much this book needs to be read. And anyone that reads your review, will hear you. You give this book tremendous justice by sharing the importance of its voice. Thank you, s!
Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say he had a mother-fixation. Imagine Norman Bates with his own country!
Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say he had a mother-fixation. Imagine Norman Bates with his own country!"
He never married but he had many, many mistresses. And the woman in his life was his housekeeper who darned his socks.
He never married but he had many, many mistresses. And the woman in his life was his housekeeper who darned his socks.
Nocturnalux wrote: "Oh, I had no idea she'd been translated! Way to go."
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other books so I hope this sparks enough interest that those are translated as well. This was fantastic, I'm surprised it hadn't been done already!
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other books so I hope this sparks enough interest that those are translated as well. This was fantastic, I'm surprised it hadn't been done already!
s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Oh, I had no idea she'd been translated! Way to go."
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other books so I hope this sparks enough intere..."
Plenty of highly influential Portuguese authors have not been translated into English. Vergílio Ferreira immediately comes to mind, I am unsure if any of his work has been and most of Miguel Torga has not.
But Lídia Jorge recently got translated.
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other books so I hope this sparks enough intere..."
Plenty of highly influential Portuguese authors have not been translated into English. Vergílio Ferreira immediately comes to mind, I am unsure if any of his work has been and most of Miguel Torga has not.
But Lídia Jorge recently got translated.
Karen wrote: "This sounds very sad. Yet, you convey an importance of how much this book needs to be read. And anyone that reads your review, will hear you. You give this book tremendous justice by sharing the im..."
It is quite a heavy book, and the ending....holy shit. I was like wow I feel gross inside and very affected by this book and 3 seconds later was filing out library cards for two very bubbly students wanting to make small talk haha. Its like hold on I've been destroyed (I made the mistake of finishing Foster on desk and had to call my backup when I realized...oh no I'm crying in public haha)
But yea definitely really important themes and presented in quite a powerful way that gets them across well. Its like, sure, we are now more distant from the family style like this and women are more included in the workplace in the US, but all the aspects of patriarchy and misogyny that come up are still alive and need to be understood and dismantled, so its still quite a timely novel. Which is I guess sad that a 1966 novel can still be "timely" 80 years later.
It is quite a heavy book, and the ending....holy shit. I was like wow I feel gross inside and very affected by this book and 3 seconds later was filing out library cards for two very bubbly students wanting to make small talk haha. Its like hold on I've been destroyed (I made the mistake of finishing Foster on desk and had to call my backup when I realized...oh no I'm crying in public haha)
But yea definitely really important themes and presented in quite a powerful way that gets them across well. Its like, sure, we are now more distant from the family style like this and women are more included in the workplace in the US, but all the aspects of patriarchy and misogyny that come up are still alive and need to be understood and dismantled, so its still quite a timely novel. Which is I guess sad that a 1966 novel can still be "timely" 80 years later.
Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say he had a mother-fixation. Imagine Norman Bates with his own country!"
Norman Bates with a country sounds indeed terrible!
Norman Bates with a country sounds indeed terrible!
Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say he had a mother-fixation. Imagine Norman Bates with his..."
Ahhhh that tracks. Women for servitude or as trophies, but not people. Seems to be a big theme in this. Salazar never comes up in the novel but Zambreno makes a good case that the silence on him is intentional to show him as everywhere.
Ahhhh that tracks. Women for servitude or as trophies, but not people. Seems to be a big theme in this. Salazar never comes up in the novel but Zambreno makes a good case that the silence on him is intentional to show him as everywhere.
Nocturnalux wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Oh, I had no idea she'd been translated! Way to go."
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other books so I hope this ..."
Soooooo any interest in being a translator? haha
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other books so I hope this ..."
Soooooo any interest in being a translator? haha
s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Oh, I had no idea she'd been translated! Way to go."
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other b..."
! I lack the skill and experience, not to mention actual technical ability. I know just enough to know how little I do know.
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short stories and other b..."
! I lack the skill and experience, not to mention actual technical ability. I know just enough to know how little I do know.
Nocturnalux wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Oh, I had no idea she'd been translated! Way to go."
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short..."
Ha okay fair. MJC rarely just does one book by an author so I suspect more will come
Yea, her first! I was looking and saw she has quite a few short..."
Ha okay fair. MJC rarely just does one book by an author so I suspect more will come
Oh, definitely agree that reading at work is just like a huge no-no! 😭 Another amazing review, S. As someone who has grown up in a cultural society, where it has been something to be expected of women to behave in a certain way after marriage, this looks like a very insightful look at it. Glad to see that you enjoyed it, too. 😊
s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say he had a mother-fixation. Imagine N..."
Yes. S. I have seen that trope before, for instance in Cuban novels, published abroad of course, that never mention Fidel Castro, and Spanish fiction that never directly mentions Franco or the Civil War. Sometimes silence can be devastating. Or, think of Norman Maier's WHY ARE WE IN VIET NAM? which never mentions Viet Nam and focuses on an Alaskan bear hunt, thus being about Viet Nam after all.
Yes. S. I have seen that trope before, for instance in Cuban novels, published abroad of course, that never mention Fidel Castro, and Spanish fiction that never directly mentions Franco or the Civil War. Sometimes silence can be devastating. Or, think of Norman Maier's WHY ARE WE IN VIET NAM? which never mentions Viet Nam and focuses on an Alaskan bear hunt, thus being about Viet Nam after all.
Amina wrote: "Oh, definitely agree that reading at work is just like a huge no-no! 😭 Another amazing review, S. As someone who has grown up in a cultural society, where it has been something to be expected of wo..."
Haha yea the worst was when I read Foster and had to call my backup so I could step aside a moment because I realized I was tearing up haha. But thank you so much, yea I’d be interested to hear what you think. Definitely hits really hard
Haha yea the worst was when I read Foster and had to call my backup so I could step aside a moment because I realized I was tearing up haha. But thank you so much, yea I’d be interested to hear what you think. Definitely hits really hard
Glad to find another promising book through your profound write-up, Steven. The rousing impact it leaves on you, making it an exciting proposition. Adding it, thanks for sharing :)
Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say he had a mother..."
This silence applies to individuals who never wrote, too.
My great grandfather was questioned by the political police, over my family using its vast apartment in Lisbon to house Jewish refugees in transit during the War. He never spoke a single word about what took place there (I always imagine it was something like what happens to the main character in The Year of the Death of Ricardo Reis), all the family ever knew is that he took up smoking on the spot. At the age of 60 something.
When it comes to authors, a lot of time there is no need to even mention Salazar: the target audience would know. This is probably why historical fiction- something like Deus Pátria Família, for example- not only mentions Salazar as he is part and parcel of the plot as an actual character, it's not just that writing such things has since become allowable, but that the target audience is no longer that cognizant and probably could do with a refresher.
This silence applies to individuals who never wrote, too.
My great grandfather was questioned by the political police, over my family using its vast apartment in Lisbon to house Jewish refugees in transit during the War. He never spoke a single word about what took place there (I always imagine it was something like what happens to the main character in The Year of the Death of Ricardo Reis), all the family ever knew is that he took up smoking on the spot. At the age of 60 something.
When it comes to authors, a lot of time there is no need to even mention Salazar: the target audience would know. This is probably why historical fiction- something like Deus Pátria Família, for example- not only mentions Salazar as he is part and parcel of the plot as an actual character, it's not just that writing such things has since become allowable, but that the target audience is no longer that cognizant and probably could do with a refresher.
Gaurav wrote: "Glad to find another promising book through your profound write-up, Steven. The rousing impact it leaves on you, making it an exciting proposition. Adding it, thanks for sharing :)"
Thank you so much! Yea, this one definitely hit me hard ha, I wrote this all pretty rapidly within minutes of finishing it so it felt very fresh.
Thank you so much! Yea, this one definitely hit me hard ha, I wrote this all pretty rapidly within minutes of finishing it so it felt very fresh.
Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? Some historians say h..."
Oh wow, yea that is intense. As a former smoker, I think anything like that would bring me right back to it too. That reminds me I really need to read that Saramago book. I just paused and ordered a copy because I've had that on my TBR for...12 years?
And that makes sense, like, he was ruling for over 30 years or something right? So its all just implied (makes me realize how much a US sort of thing it is to always announce who is current president because that lasts 8years tops and how much we define "eras" that way). And that makes sense, I feel like historical fiction is always way more grounding a novel to specific details of a time/place than novels that just happen to be written in that time/place telling a story in the present.
Oh wow, yea that is intense. As a former smoker, I think anything like that would bring me right back to it too. That reminds me I really need to read that Saramago book. I just paused and ordered a copy because I've had that on my TBR for...12 years?
And that makes sense, like, he was ruling for over 30 years or something right? So its all just implied (makes me realize how much a US sort of thing it is to always announce who is current president because that lasts 8years tops and how much we define "eras" that way). And that makes sense, I feel like historical fiction is always way more grounding a novel to specific details of a time/place than novels that just happen to be written in that time/place telling a story in the present.
s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Nocturnalux wrote: "Julio wrote: "Can it be just a coincidence that the dictator of Portugal at the time, Dr. Antonio Salazar, never married? S..."
He had never smoked a cigarette in his life up to that point. My grandfather- not even his son, but his son-in-law- had his phone tapped and took to chatting with whoever was listening on the other side.
Pretty much anyone with a degree- and quite a few without one- had their phone tapped, all university students had a file (particularly law students, so there is one with my mother's details, somewhere!) and my family, being urban, English speaking, with Protestant relatives and a member (my grandmother) who worked at the US embassy, were very much persona non grata. None were disappeared but I had an uncle who nearly was. This without factoring in the family home having turned into a refuge for Jewish refugees, that is.
Whenever I meet people who like to tell me about "the good old days", I tell them about my great grandfather. I never get a proper reply, they usually shut up right away.
He had never smoked a cigarette in his life up to that point. My grandfather- not even his son, but his son-in-law- had his phone tapped and took to chatting with whoever was listening on the other side.
Pretty much anyone with a degree- and quite a few without one- had their phone tapped, all university students had a file (particularly law students, so there is one with my mother's details, somewhere!) and my family, being urban, English speaking, with Protestant relatives and a member (my grandmother) who worked at the US embassy, were very much persona non grata. None were disappeared but I had an uncle who nearly was. This without factoring in the family home having turned into a refuge for Jewish refugees, that is.
Whenever I meet people who like to tell me about "the good old days", I tell them about my great grandfather. I never get a proper reply, they usually shut up right away.
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It is a short book but it will certainly leave a hell of a bruise.
What an epic final line!"
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It is a short book but it will certainly leave a hell of a bruise.
What an epic final line!"
Thank you so much!
Excellent write-up, s.! I completely missed that in Inseparable, interesting take. So much to digest here. I often wonder if gender power imbalance simply started with the difference in physical strength, including how compromised a woman is when pregnant?
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Wow, damn that is intense. Yea, I imagine any connection with an embassy causes a file to be opened on you.
Interesting, I'm currently reading Time Shelter and that is a BIG theme in it, people wanting to revisit the "good ole days" which, for the Bulgarian narrator, meant living under communism. But there was a great scene where a man who can't remember his past due to Alzheimer's discovers he can't look himself up either due to having been "erased" by the regime--so he tracks down the secret police that tailed him for decades and the two meet up every day to look through his old files. It get pretty dark but damn I'm sold on that book haha.
Wow, damn that is intense. Yea, I imagine any connection with an embassy causes a file to be opened on you.
Interesting, I'm currently reading Time Shelter and that is a BIG theme in it, people wanting to revisit the "good ole days" which, for the Bulgarian narrator, meant living under communism. But there was a great scene where a man who can't remember his past due to Alzheimer's discovers he can't look himself up either due to having been "erased" by the regime--so he tracks down the secret police that tailed him for decades and the two meet up every day to look through his old files. It get pretty dark but damn I'm sold on that book haha.
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I appreciate the family history, Nocturnal. Dr. Salazar was unusual in that he remained secretive yet projected his power over the entire nation and empire. I have crossed the bridge in Lisbon that commemorates Portugal staying out of World War II.
I appreciate the family history, Nocturnal. Dr. Salazar was unusual in that he remained secretive yet projected his power over the entire nation and empire. I have crossed the bridge in Lisbon that commemorates Portugal staying out of World War II.
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Dr. Salazar Stayed in power for over 40 years, S. which means many Portuguese had never known any other ruler or form of rule. He's more akin to Fidel Castro or Trujillo than the Eastern European dictators. Incidentally, he suffered a stroke in 1970 but was never told he had been removed from office by his underling, Caetano. He died thinking he was still president, a nice Garcia Marquez-like touch.
Dr. Salazar Stayed in power for over 40 years, S. which means many Portuguese had never known any other ruler or form of rule. He's more akin to Fidel Castro or Trujillo than the Eastern European dictators. Incidentally, he suffered a stroke in 1970 but was never told he had been removed from office by his underling, Caetano. He died thinking he was still president, a nice Garcia Marquez-like touch.
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Thank you so much! Yea, it really was able to condense so much into such a little space. oooo, true, that probably played into it all right? Second Sex has a Looooooooong section about that where she goes into this pretty interesting line of thought on how women are associated with the Earth and pregnancy/nature-creation etc so the same ideas of ownership over land coincides with ownership over women and whatnot.
Thank you so much! Yea, it really was able to condense so much into such a little space. oooo, true, that probably played into it all right? Second Sex has a Looooooooong section about that where she goes into this pretty interesting line of thought on how women are associated with the Earth and pregnancy/nature-creation etc so the same ideas of ownership over land coincides with ownership over women and whatnot.
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My grandmother probably already had a file even before that. Born to a religious minority in a Catholic theocracy, married to an engineer, both spoke English. Being "a lady", maybe the authorities did not consider her a threat but yeah.
Being employed by the American Embassy actually gave her a lot of leeway. To the point she carried the Communist Manifesto (!), sickle and hammer on the cover (!!!), in public. And yes, a plains clothing policeman immediately accosted her on the electric car, and she showed him the book was issued by the American Embassy and thus was authorized to circulate on Portuguese soil. She was right but what a crazy, crazy thing to do! The underling actually left her go, just told her not to read it in public anymore.
Salazar was keenly aware that he had to keep the Americans happy, as they could easily topple the regime- and/or stir things in the colonies- but he didn't like them one bit. It was a delicate situation that allowed those affiliated with the American Embassy to take certain liberties...still, I wouldn't have done it myself!
I never met anyone who was tortured by the regime, that I know of. But a professor of my father's and very important historian, José Manuel Tengarrinha, was known for lecturing wearing sunglasses as a result of what the political police did to him. A sense of paranoia never went away, and he felt safer if he could look at his students without their knowing where he was looking at. If I'm not mistaken, they ripped his nails clean off.
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The bridge used to be named after Salazar, as you probably know. It has since been renamed "25 de Abril", after the revolution that ended Caetano's regime.
Salazar was indeed peculiar, especially as far as Fascist leaders went. Apart from being very secretive indeed (interestingly, a quality he shared with one of his fiercest opponents, historical communist leader Álvaro Cunhal, whose escape from a political prison is the stuff of thrillers) he disliked vast congregations of people, even in regime sponsored events. Apart from the "Exposições do Mundo Português", which were a kind colonial Expo of sorts- and very tame affairs- Salazar strictly forbid people from gathering together in large numbers. So things Hitler like railing at Nuremberg, or Mussolini acting up from the balcony, while a crowd grows incredibly delirious, never took place. As a direct result, the typical paramilitary organization of civilians never took place. There were some around but they belonged to Rolão Preto, a terrible person who modelled himself after Hitler and his ilk, and Salazar put an end to all that as soon as he ascended to power. The "Portuguese Youth", the counterpart to the "Nazi Youth", was closer to glorified boy/girl scouts than anything else. Salazar was afraid militarizing the population would end up blowing up in his face.
Salazar projected himself as a much more sober, quiet and even keeled type. He did not shout, gesticulate, or go full blown histrionic. At least not in public. The typical paternal image was superimposed on the kindly teacher, and since he actually was an academic, it was easy to project.
He was also fanatically Catholic, having left plenty of written attestation about how his time in seminary taught all he needed to know about discipline and the like. He was best buddies with Cerejeira, a truly disturbing cardinal- who promoted the Fátima myth- and made sure the country stayed deep in Catholic obscurantism as much as possible.
You're absolutely right about his death, too. He fell off his chair and was never the same again, being utterly oblivious as to what was going on. A pathetic and very fitting end to a pathetic man, whose harm, I'd say, is still felt to this day.
And speaking of family connections and history, an aunt of mine- still living- helped draft the 1976 and current constitution. Her role wasn't particularly salient, I don't think, but she did play one. It's more than I'll ever accomplish, that's for sure!
My grandmother probably already had a file even before that. Born to a religious minority in a Catholic theocracy, married to an engineer, both spoke English. Being "a lady", maybe the authorities did not consider her a threat but yeah.
Being employed by the American Embassy actually gave her a lot of leeway. To the point she carried the Communist Manifesto (!), sickle and hammer on the cover (!!!), in public. And yes, a plains clothing policeman immediately accosted her on the electric car, and she showed him the book was issued by the American Embassy and thus was authorized to circulate on Portuguese soil. She was right but what a crazy, crazy thing to do! The underling actually left her go, just told her not to read it in public anymore.
Salazar was keenly aware that he had to keep the Americans happy, as they could easily topple the regime- and/or stir things in the colonies- but he didn't like them one bit. It was a delicate situation that allowed those affiliated with the American Embassy to take certain liberties...still, I wouldn't have done it myself!
I never met anyone who was tortured by the regime, that I know of. But a professor of my father's and very important historian, José Manuel Tengarrinha, was known for lecturing wearing sunglasses as a result of what the political police did to him. A sense of paranoia never went away, and he felt safer if he could look at his students without their knowing where he was looking at. If I'm not mistaken, they ripped his nails clean off.
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The bridge used to be named after Salazar, as you probably know. It has since been renamed "25 de Abril", after the revolution that ended Caetano's regime.
Salazar was indeed peculiar, especially as far as Fascist leaders went. Apart from being very secretive indeed (interestingly, a quality he shared with one of his fiercest opponents, historical communist leader Álvaro Cunhal, whose escape from a political prison is the stuff of thrillers) he disliked vast congregations of people, even in regime sponsored events. Apart from the "Exposições do Mundo Português", which were a kind colonial Expo of sorts- and very tame affairs- Salazar strictly forbid people from gathering together in large numbers. So things Hitler like railing at Nuremberg, or Mussolini acting up from the balcony, while a crowd grows incredibly delirious, never took place. As a direct result, the typical paramilitary organization of civilians never took place. There were some around but they belonged to Rolão Preto, a terrible person who modelled himself after Hitler and his ilk, and Salazar put an end to all that as soon as he ascended to power. The "Portuguese Youth", the counterpart to the "Nazi Youth", was closer to glorified boy/girl scouts than anything else. Salazar was afraid militarizing the population would end up blowing up in his face.
Salazar projected himself as a much more sober, quiet and even keeled type. He did not shout, gesticulate, or go full blown histrionic. At least not in public. The typical paternal image was superimposed on the kindly teacher, and since he actually was an academic, it was easy to project.
He was also fanatically Catholic, having left plenty of written attestation about how his time in seminary taught all he needed to know about discipline and the like. He was best buddies with Cerejeira, a truly disturbing cardinal- who promoted the Fátima myth- and made sure the country stayed deep in Catholic obscurantism as much as possible.
You're absolutely right about his death, too. He fell off his chair and was never the same again, being utterly oblivious as to what was going on. A pathetic and very fitting end to a pathetic man, whose harm, I'd say, is still felt to this day.
And speaking of family connections and history, an aunt of mine- still living- helped draft the 1976 and current constitution. Her role wasn't particularly salient, I don't think, but she did play one. It's more than I'll ever accomplish, that's for sure!
Interesting, s.! Sounds like I should read Second Sex, I don’t know why I’ve avoided it. You’re so well-read, I always enjoy your cross-pollination of works and ideas. I’m finding this discussion fascinating as well… grateful 🫶🏻
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Dear Nocturalux: A tale of my first visit to Portugal. The first hotel I stayed at was located right next door to the headquarters of the Portuguese Communist Party-Marxist-Leninist, the pro-Beijing group, so all night I had a flashing neon sign of Mao from my hotel window!
Dear Nocturalux: A tale of my first visit to Portugal. The first hotel I stayed at was located right next door to the headquarters of the Portuguese Communist Party-Marxist-Leninist, the pro-Beijing group, so all night I had a flashing neon sign of Mao from my hotel window!
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I actually live in the big pink building right next to the Communist party! I know the hotel, can see it from my living room window.
Unless you mean another headquarters, there's more than one.
I actually live in the big pink building right next to the Communist party! I know the hotel, can see it from my living room window.
Unless you mean another headquarters, there's more than one.
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Dear Nocturalux: I meant the Maoist PCP-ML, which I presume is now extinct, not the PCP of Cunha. I'll never forget the political graffiti in Lisbon in the Seventies. One mural depicted God with a hammer touching Man with a sickle, a brilliant parody of Michelangelo and the Sistine Chapel.
Dear Nocturalux: I meant the Maoist PCP-ML, which I presume is now extinct, not the PCP of Cunha. I'll never forget the political graffiti in Lisbon in the Seventies. One mural depicted God with a hammer touching Man with a sickle, a brilliant parody of Michelangelo and the Sistine Chapel.
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Wow all of that is wild! And how brave of her! That makes sense, probably worried of becoming the next location in a proxy war or the US stirring up unrest? I mean the CIA was doing all sorts of shady shit at that point (I once saw a joke that read nothing will make you feel crazier than knowing just 2 unclassified things the CIA did in the 60s). I really know very very little about Salazar so thank you. Mostly just sporadic things I’ve picked up on in novels. That is amazing your aunt helped draft the constitution!
Wow all of that is wild! And how brave of her! That makes sense, probably worried of becoming the next location in a proxy war or the US stirring up unrest? I mean the CIA was doing all sorts of shady shit at that point (I once saw a joke that read nothing will make you feel crazier than knowing just 2 unclassified things the CIA did in the 60s). I really know very very little about Salazar so thank you. Mostly just sporadic things I’ve picked up on in novels. That is amazing your aunt helped draft the constitution!
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Ahhh sorry for the delay. For some reason the past two days any time I tried to click on this review goodreads would error out so I’m glad to see it still exists haha. But YEA, Second Sex was honestly really worth reading. There’s a lot that feels dated and some aspects are fairly problematic by modern standards but I got a lot out of it and it is super fascinating. And kickstarted my love for Beauvoir (Ethics of Ambiguity is still my favorite thing by her though). It is interesting to see how her feminism and existentialism writing intertwine, though she seems to be remembered more for the former as sort of kicking off second-wave feminism. Though her existentialist writing is amazing, I prefer her to her contemporaries personally in terms of readability and aligning more with her ideas but she seems elbowed out by her own lifelong partner, Sartre, when it comes to the French philosophers of the era. I do find her writing style interesting as she’s keenly aware that being a woman will both have her criticized more while also overlooked at the same time and it reflects in the mechanics of her arguments.
And thank you! I always appreciate our discussions!
Ahhh sorry for the delay. For some reason the past two days any time I tried to click on this review goodreads would error out so I’m glad to see it still exists haha. But YEA, Second Sex was honestly really worth reading. There’s a lot that feels dated and some aspects are fairly problematic by modern standards but I got a lot out of it and it is super fascinating. And kickstarted my love for Beauvoir (Ethics of Ambiguity is still my favorite thing by her though). It is interesting to see how her feminism and existentialism writing intertwine, though she seems to be remembered more for the former as sort of kicking off second-wave feminism. Though her existentialist writing is amazing, I prefer her to her contemporaries personally in terms of readability and aligning more with her ideas but she seems elbowed out by her own lifelong partner, Sartre, when it comes to the French philosophers of the era. I do find her writing style interesting as she’s keenly aware that being a woman will both have her criticized more while also overlooked at the same time and it reflects in the mechanics of her arguments.
And thank you! I always appreciate our discussions!
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Haha exactly, that might as well be the tagline for this book. And thank you!
Haha exactly, that might as well be the tagline for this book. And thank you!
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PCP is still alive, I live next door to one of its headquarters. You often get American tourists blissfully taking pictures of the very pretty moral, having zero idea what it is all about.
I have seen remains of that graffiti culture, my university even tried to recreate it on its façade but by the time I became aware of my surroundings, most of that had already been lost.
Salazar's shadow lingered on, probably not as thickly as in some other countries- Spain has a very ambiguous relation to Franco that endures, to this day, complete with his having been enshrined in a massive mausoleum with all due state honors- but I was born 10 years after 1974, attended Catholic schools where most nuns had been around in Salazar's day and were very fond of him. So I got a taste of the pre-1974 school system; with the cruelty being more insidious since legislation was put in place that did away with physical punishments.
Virtually all of the Portuguese Catholic Church- with a very small minority that spoke out- was not just allied to the regime, I'd say it was wedded to it.
I think this accounts for the loss of actual power the Church suffered in the decades that followed. Like a creeper woven around a pillar, once the pillar fell, the creeper suffered: so the Church and Salazar.
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In many ways, Salazar was very useful to the States as he was a sworn enemy of communism. He allowed the States to build military bases in the islands of the Azores, in case the "red scare" were to prove dangerous enough to warrant an invasion.
During much of WWII Portugal was extremely important strategically. It was one of the few neutral countries, not having taken part in the War, so both Allied and Axis forces used it to their advantage- and Salazar played them both very well- and given its position, it became a crucial point in getting refugees to escape to the States. This process was mostly handled by American organizations-this is where my great-grandfather and his wife step in, they belonged to one via their Protestant church- and Salazar knew that assuring their safety endeared him to the Americans (who already were fine with his locking away Communists anyway). This did not keep his goons from terrifying my poor relative, though.
It was a delicate balance to keep, made even more delicate due to the colonies.
At one point, there were actual American submarines in the river Tagus and I'm sure the CIA did not look fondly at the 1974 very openly left wing revolution. Odds are a military intervention was even considered but given Portugal's position- in Western Europe- it would cause a lot of negative publicity and was probably not worth the bother.
PCP is still alive, I live next door to one of its headquarters. You often get American tourists blissfully taking pictures of the very pretty moral, having zero idea what it is all about.
I have seen remains of that graffiti culture, my university even tried to recreate it on its façade but by the time I became aware of my surroundings, most of that had already been lost.
Salazar's shadow lingered on, probably not as thickly as in some other countries- Spain has a very ambiguous relation to Franco that endures, to this day, complete with his having been enshrined in a massive mausoleum with all due state honors- but I was born 10 years after 1974, attended Catholic schools where most nuns had been around in Salazar's day and were very fond of him. So I got a taste of the pre-1974 school system; with the cruelty being more insidious since legislation was put in place that did away with physical punishments.
Virtually all of the Portuguese Catholic Church- with a very small minority that spoke out- was not just allied to the regime, I'd say it was wedded to it.
I think this accounts for the loss of actual power the Church suffered in the decades that followed. Like a creeper woven around a pillar, once the pillar fell, the creeper suffered: so the Church and Salazar.
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In many ways, Salazar was very useful to the States as he was a sworn enemy of communism. He allowed the States to build military bases in the islands of the Azores, in case the "red scare" were to prove dangerous enough to warrant an invasion.
During much of WWII Portugal was extremely important strategically. It was one of the few neutral countries, not having taken part in the War, so both Allied and Axis forces used it to their advantage- and Salazar played them both very well- and given its position, it became a crucial point in getting refugees to escape to the States. This process was mostly handled by American organizations-this is where my great-grandfather and his wife step in, they belonged to one via their Protestant church- and Salazar knew that assuring their safety endeared him to the Americans (who already were fine with his locking away Communists anyway). This did not keep his goons from terrifying my poor relative, though.
It was a delicate balance to keep, made even more delicate due to the colonies.
At one point, there were actual American submarines in the river Tagus and I'm sure the CIA did not look fondly at the 1974 very openly left wing revolution. Odds are a military intervention was even considered but given Portugal's position- in Western Europe- it would cause a lot of negative publicity and was probably not worth the bother.
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The way the United States derailed the 1974 Revolution was by funding the Socialist Party of Mario Soares, which had not existed prior to 1974, with the help of the German Social Democrats. Soares was more anti-Communist than most Portuguese right-wingers. Naturally, the PS won the first elections post-1974, just like the Italian Christian DEmocras won the first post-war elections, with a little help from CIA friends.
The way the United States derailed the 1974 Revolution was by funding the Socialist Party of Mario Soares, which had not existed prior to 1974, with the help of the German Social Democrats. Soares was more anti-Communist than most Portuguese right-wingers. Naturally, the PS won the first elections post-1974, just like the Italian Christian DEmocras won the first post-war elections, with a little help from CIA friends.
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Yet Soares was highly secular and his policies pushed the country in the right direction. Portuguese democracy would not be what it was if not for him, in a very real sense, and it's not as if his anti-Fascist credentials were just for show as he was exiled in France for the longest of times.
No, the real threat was- and to an extent still is, although it is being taken over by more alt-right alternatives- PSD (and its underling that has since pretty much died, CDS). It was Cavaco who did much to undermine democracy including, at one point, having his ministry of culture call Saramago's publisher to stop publishing The Gospel According to Jesus Christ. The publishers shut him down, real fast.
This was before the Nobel prize and I was too young to remember its happening but it did.
I should also like to add that PCP has some terrible ideas, including thinking North Korea is fine and, at one point, expecting a lot of writers to just hand over 10% of its earning over as if it were an actual tithe. This lead to Saramago leaving after a very stormy process that also concerned the rights to his books, that the party claimed as theirs and would not relinquish. There was also a lawsuit involved Vergílio Ferreira, who got routinely slandered in Communist outlets simply for not toeing the party line.
Then there was the way in which it treated its gay representative, Júlio Fogaça. And while it may be understandable at the time, to this day PCP is not exactly LGBQT+ plus friendly. You get a few MPs who do speak up for inclusion but when it comes to voting, the party has several times voted against such measures and not that long ago either.
Yet Soares was highly secular and his policies pushed the country in the right direction. Portuguese democracy would not be what it was if not for him, in a very real sense, and it's not as if his anti-Fascist credentials were just for show as he was exiled in France for the longest of times.
No, the real threat was- and to an extent still is, although it is being taken over by more alt-right alternatives- PSD (and its underling that has since pretty much died, CDS). It was Cavaco who did much to undermine democracy including, at one point, having his ministry of culture call Saramago's publisher to stop publishing The Gospel According to Jesus Christ. The publishers shut him down, real fast.
This was before the Nobel prize and I was too young to remember its happening but it did.
I should also like to add that PCP has some terrible ideas, including thinking North Korea is fine and, at one point, expecting a lot of writers to just hand over 10% of its earning over as if it were an actual tithe. This lead to Saramago leaving after a very stormy process that also concerned the rights to his books, that the party claimed as theirs and would not relinquish. There was also a lawsuit involved Vergílio Ferreira, who got routinely slandered in Communist outlets simply for not toeing the party line.
Then there was the way in which it treated its gay representative, Júlio Fogaça. And while it may be understandable at the time, to this day PCP is not exactly LGBQT+ plus friendly. You get a few MPs who do speak up for inclusion but when it comes to voting, the party has several times voted against such measures and not that long ago either.
Thank you for the details, Nocturnalux: Soares became more radical as he grew older, and closer to the Latin American Left. I simply wanted to point out that in Portugal, as in Italy, the U.S. thought it a good idea to back a reformer, not a reactionary, for the first post-dictatorship elections. Yes, I remember the awful PSD and am glad it has diminished over time. The PCP is a horrific uber-Stalinist Party that deserves its current irrelevance. When I was in Lisbon for the first time I read the Party newspaper and the PCP was holding a contest for readers. First prize? A trip to Moscow!
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Ah okay that makes sense, sort of similar to how the US backed dictators in South America because "at least they aren't communist"? (though wasn't that more because of access to resources? I guess having access to the military base was the big trade then?) I'd forgot I've read about Saramago getting banned though.
Ah okay that makes sense, sort of similar to how the US backed dictators in South America because "at least they aren't communist"? (though wasn't that more because of access to resources? I guess having access to the military base was the big trade then?) I'd forgot I've read about Saramago getting banned though.
Many prominent writers left the European Communist parties from the Sixties to the 1980s. Pasolini got expelled from the PCI (Italians pronounced it the "Peachy", which I love) in Italy over his homosexuality and Saramago over the political claustrophobia of the PCP. BTW, Saramago also broke with Castro when Cuba ordered the execution of a group of men, mostly Afro-Cuban, who seized a boat in Havana harbor by force to sail it to South Florida.
Julio wrote: "Many prominent writers left the European Communist parties from the Sixties to the 1980s. Pasolini got expelled from the PCI (Italians pronounced it the "Peachy", which I love) in Italy over his ho..."
Peachy ha i love that. Ah yea makes sense, seems a pretty recurring theme of history that when books start getting banned and writers start fleeing things are not great. Wasn’t Saramago fairly instrumental in protesting imprisonments of different writers in a few places? I feel like I recall…was it Zama(?) that he wrote letters and was part of an international community calling for his freedom?
Peachy ha i love that. Ah yea makes sense, seems a pretty recurring theme of history that when books start getting banned and writers start fleeing things are not great. Wasn’t Saramago fairly instrumental in protesting imprisonments of different writers in a few places? I feel like I recall…was it Zama(?) that he wrote letters and was part of an international community calling for his freedom?
True, S., Saramago had more political courage than most writers who attach themselves to the left. Some (Steinbeck, Dos Passos) go over to the right while others become pessimists or nihilists while flirting with fascism (Celine, Hamsun). Garcia Marquez and Cortazar are unusual in sticking with Castro until their demise.
In the Portugal of the time- as in other Catholic societies- widows would don black for life. My grandmother (who would have been 100 something, were still alive) was considered extremely gauche by bucking the trend (as many others, such as being first a Protestant in a country with no Reformation- where "Christian" and "Catholic", to this day, mean one and the same to most- by not doing this when her husband died.
You can still see these widows, although in Lisbon, where I live, they are rarer than in some other parts of the country.