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Second Place by Rachel Cusk
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bookshelves: 2021, canadian-lit, group-read, literary-fiction, novella

Rachel Cusk, as it turns out, is a bit of an acrobat. More specifically, she's a tightrope walker, a writer who balances on the very, very fine line between brilliance and pretentiousness. It takes the most minute, feathery breeze to waft her in either direction.

Waft to the right, and she's saying brilliant things like:

Fear is a habit like any other, and habits kill what is essential in ourselves.

Change is also loss, and in that sense a parent can lose a child every day, until you realise that you’d better stop predicting what they’re going to become and concentrate on what is right in front of you.

Waft to the left, though:

The truth lies not in any claim to reality, but in the place where what is real moves beyond our interpretation of it. True art means seeking to capture the unreal.

I have read this sentence over and over, and it still doesn't make any sense. That happened for me a lot in the reading of this brief novella.

Damn it. This is one of those reviews that is the hardest to write, because I have no desire to diminish something artful and thought provoking - and Cusk does provoke thought, especially in regards to motherhood and womanhood. However, lines like the one above (and many others like it) create an atmosphere of suffocating introspection, causing (for me, at least) more wafts to the left than to the right.

It all starts quite provocatively. Using a formal, epistolary tone, our navel-gazing protagonist, "M", addresses "Jeffers", telling him about the time she saw the devil on the train. The tone made me think of something slightly antique, like Robert Louis Stevenson, or even Bram Stoker. I liked that. The almost immediate tension she created promised delicious things. Unfortunately, I never quite came to understand the devil on the train part - what it meant, or how it factored into the rest of the story.

Our narrator then tells us about when, one night in Paris, she happens upon the paintings of "L". The paintings have a profound effect on her. Later, she invites "L" to stay at the property she lives on with her wise, mountainous husband Tony, on an unnamed marsh land, in a small cottage they call the Second Place.

"L", who shows up with someone less than half his age, is abusive and beastly, and our self-obsessed protagonist spends her time thinking about him and pining for his attention. She also moves through some interesting feelings about her daughter Justine, how it is to be a mother, how to show love, and how to be a woman.

Some of this is beautifully expressed, as I mentioned before. But I had a hard time spending so much time with "M", who seems like a person who has never so much as cracked a smile, and who analyzes with intensity every little tiny thing, sucking the very life out of it. I almost couldn't blame "L" for his nasty contempt.

The story is told in a dream-like way. It's unclear where or when this is set, although it feels like it could possibly be taking place during a pandemic. And people have the weirdest interactions. For example:

"You know, I've never wanted to be whole or complete."

"Why not?" I said.

"I always imagined it was like being swallowed," he said.

"Perhaps it's you that does the swallowing," I replied.

"I haven't swallowed anything," he said calmly. "Just taken a few bites here and there. No, I don't want to be completed. I prefer to try outrunning whatever's after me. I prefer to stay out, like kids on a summer evening stay out, and won't come in when they're called. I don't want to go to it. But it means that all my memories are outside me."


Sorry, but who talks like this? It's beautifully written, to be sure, but it means nothing to me. What does he mean, being whole is like being swallowed? What does it mean to have all your memories outside yourself?

I understood more at the end, when it is revealed that the novel is based on an actual historical account of an artist coming to stay on a benefactor's property. That knowledge helped and guided me somewhat, though I can't say it saved the day.

Despite my complaints and failure to fully connect with Second Place, I have to applaud Ms. Cusk for what she has done here - it takes guts to walk the tightrope.
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April 17, 2021 – Shelved
May 18, 2021 –
5.0% "Fear is a habit like any other, and habits kill what is essential in ourselves."
May 20, 2021 – Started Reading
May 27, 2021 – Finished Reading

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Left Coast Justin I really like Rachel Cusk -- particularly when I'm not actually reading one of her books :p

Sounds like a cheap shot but I really do enjoy her take on life, for the most part.


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Joe On the right, there's a glass of wine. On the left, there's a bottle of beer. Then in the center there's a fancy martini which I can only sip if I walk a tightrope on a unicycle with a hungry bear on my back. Treat yourself to a fancy drink for navigating this book, Robin! Reading it sounds like a real circus feat.


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Candi Well, I haven't read Cusk before, and something tells me I should start elsewhere! Robin, I'm confused by those sentences as well! I had a neighbor who used to constantly befuddle me - I thought I wasn't smart enough to 'get' what she was saying. Later I learned that she did a lot of daytime drinking. It wasn't me, it was her! She simply made no sense. Not accusing Cusk of the same thing... well, just saying ;D

An excellent review, Robin!


Robin Left Coast Justin wrote: "I really like Rachel Cusk -- particularly when I'm not actually reading one of her books :p

Sounds like a cheap shot but I really do enjoy her take on life, for the most part."


Hi Justin. This was my first time reading Cusk (she's been on my radar for some time) and I can definitely see she's a talented writer. I will try her Outline next. I read this book with a group of brilliant readers, and am really looking forward to the discussion. I have a feeling I have much to learn, or dots to connect, or something, when it comes to this novel.


message 5: by Violeta (new)

Violeta ‘Between brilliance and pretentiousness’. My thoughts exactly for Cusk, Robin!
I dare say I gravitate towards pretentiousness, despite the fact that she’s so good with words or precisely because she’s so good she’s fallen in love with herself just a tad more than she should have.
All that from having read only her Outline, which I wanted to love (it takes place in Athens) but didn’t and ended up disliking her for not having won me over. Complicated - and I’m so relieved to see you have the same feelings, everybody else on this site seems to love her. Yay - I’m not alone!😀


message 6: by Violeta (new)

Violeta @ Candi:
Love, love, love your comment!!😂


Left Coast Justin I think what lingers behind after reading a Cusk book is better than how it tastes while you're forcing it down.


message 8: by Cheri (new)

Cheri Excellent review, Robin, I have enough confusion in my life lately not to add this, but I did really enjoy reading your review. I may seek out another by Cusk, instead, though.


message 9: by Pedro (last edited May 29, 2021 01:59PM) (new)

Pedro Oh no... Three stars... Ugh!!!

I loved Cusk's Outline and for some reason always thought about you as the "right" reader for it. Well, I actually know the reason but don't want to spoil your experience in case you'd want to read it. Also, I thought about reading this one with the group but then changed my mind as I was too involved with some other ones. I might read it anyway... Soon...

A wonderful and acrobatic review, Robin. Very well done (as always)!


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Pedro Candi wrote: "Well, I haven't read Cusk before, and something tells me I should start elsewhere! Robin, I'm confused by those sentences as well! I had a neighbor who used to constantly befuddle me - I thought I ..."

Ahaha... Candi, maybe she wrote this at the bar...!!! :D

P.S. You're also a good reader for Outline, my lovely globetrotter friend. ;)


Robin Joe wrote: "On the right, there's a glass of wine. On the left, there's a bottle of beer. Then in the center there's a fancy martini which I can only sip if I walk a tightrope on a unicycle with a hungry bear on my back. Treat yourself to a fancy drink for navigating this book, Robin! Reading it sounds like a real circus feat."

I love the image of riding the unicycle with the bear, Joe. The martini seems desperately out of reach in this scenario....

Maybe I had unfair expectations of this book. Before I read it, I heard it described as a 'domestic psychodrama'. However, I really didn't experience it that way. To me, Deep Water is a domestic psychodrama. This drama, on the other hand, is philosophical, surreal, and taking place in the head of the protagonist.


Robin Candi wrote: "Well, I haven't read Cusk before, and something tells me I should start elsewhere! Robin, I'm confused by those sentences as well! I had a neighbor who used to constantly befuddle me - I thought I wasn't smart enough to 'get' what she was saying. Later I learned that she did a lot of daytime drinking. It wasn't me, it was her! She simply made no sense. Not accusing Cusk of the same thing... well, just saying ;D"

HAH! This is really funny, Candi....
I don't even know what to say, except thank you so much for making me laugh - I really needed that.


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Gaurav Though I still have to read the author and I have added a few of her titles but your review suggests that this may not be the place to start with. So perhaps, I would start with Outline. Thanks for this beautiful write-up, Robin :)


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Jeff Robin, wonderfully expressed as always, and, frankly, you’ve confirmed some of my suspicions about this one. I had read a couple of raves but reading between the lines, despite the enthusiastic praise, I was wary. Given the dialogue you have quoted above and some of that waftable prose, I’m feeling like maybe your three stars were generous, and I am reluctantly going to take a pass. Have you read the trilogy? By the way, after reading your review, I poked around my favorite book-review aggregator site (Lithub’s Bookmarks — you know it?), sifting through the raves, and read this excerpt from The Times (UK): “Cusk’s prose, always oddly fustian, starts to sound like a cut-price Victorian novelist. There’s a lot of heavy-handed Garden of Eden symbolism. It feels like a strange rehashing of a DH Lawrence novel, with talk of wills and true origins and destroying one another. For no apparent reason M narrates the novel to someone called Jeffers, whom we never meet ... If you make it to the end (not a foregone conclusion) you’ll find a note explaining what the hell’s been going on ... Everything is accounted for—except the central, utterly baffling question. Why did Rachel Cusk write this book?” Ouch. Thank you for the insights, and for doing the legwork on this one. 🙏🏻


Robin Violeta wrote: "‘Between brilliance and pretentiousness’. My thoughts exactly for Cusk, Robin!
I dare say I gravitate towards pretentiousness, despite the fact that she’s so good with words or precisely because she’s so good she’s fallen in love with herself just a tad more than she should have.
All that from having read only her Outline, which I wanted to love (it takes place in Athens) but didn’t and ended up disliking her for not having won me over. Complicated - and I’m so relieved to see you have the same feelings, everybody else on this site seems to love her. Yay - I’m not alone!😀"


And just like that... I'm not alone, either! Not just that, but I'm in such good company with you, Violeta. I have to say, in regards to this book, I also gravitate towards pretentiousness. All of it is artifice, the more I think about it. The tone, the conversations, the situations. There are several great thinking points here, and I by no means wish to take away from that, but I don't think it worked for me as a whole. And it definitely doesn't entice me to read her again, especially after hearing that you weren't enamoured with Outline.

Darn it! I really wanted to love this. She's Canadian born, too!


Robin Left Coast Justin wrote: "I think what lingers behind after reading a Cusk book is better than how it tastes while you're forcing it down."

Okay, that's funny. "Forcing it down". :D

What's lingering behind for me is a bit of annoyance.

However, I will be discussing this with a group of lovely readers, and I know some of them loved the book so I'm looking forward to seeing "the other side" of this reading experience.


Robin Cheri wrote: "Excellent review, Robin, I have enough confusion in my life lately not to add this, but I did really enjoy reading your review. I may seek out another by Cusk, instead, though."

Cheri, thank you. Thankfully, this book has enough fans that I don't have to feel bad about not loving it. I have been curious about her Outline for ages. Maybe that would be a good place to start with her work?


message 18: by Robin (last edited Jun 03, 2021 11:47AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Robin Pedro wrote: "Oh no... Three stars... Ugh!!!

I loved Cusk's Outline and for some reason always thought about you as the "right" reader for it. Well, I actually know the reason but don't want to spoil your experience in case you'd want to read it. Also, I thought about reading this one with the group but then changed my mind as I was too involved with some other ones. I might read it anyway... Soon...

A wonderful and acrobatic review, Robin. Very well done (as always)!"


Oh, thank you Pedro. You're always so kind to me!

As for the 3 stars, they aren't too damning... I mean, 3 stars means "I liked it", and there were things I could appreciate about it. Maybe as I go through the group discussion this month and hear from people who thought it was brilliant, I will gain even more appreciation for the novel. Because it's evident that Rachel Cusk is a brilliant thinker and many people love her writing. (By the way, it would be wonderful if you read this and joined the conversation!)

Regarding my experience here: there's something about it that makes me twitchy. Something "artsy fartsy", something that takes itself a bit too seriously. The characters sure as hell take themselves seriously - the thinking and over-analyzing kind of killed it for me. As is as often the case, it's not that the book is bad, but maybe I'm not the right reader for it.


Robin Gaurav wrote: "Though I still have to read the author and I have added a few of her titles but your review suggests that this may not be the place to start with. So perhaps, I would start with Outline. Thanks for this beautiful write-up, Robin :)"

Thank you, Gaurav, I have a feeling I'm more in the minority with this review, so I'm glad to hear that you're still planning to read one of Cusk's books. Always best to find out for oneself, isn't it?


Robin Jeff wrote: "Robin, wonderfully expressed as always, and, frankly, you’ve confirmed some of my suspicions about this one. I had read a couple of raves but reading between the lines, despite the enthusiastic praise, I was wary. Given the dialogue you have quoted above and some of that waftable prose, I’m feeling like maybe your three stars were generous, and I am reluctantly going to take a pass. Have you read the trilogy? By the way, after reading your review, I poked around my favorite book-review aggregator site (Lithub’s Bookmarks — you know it?), sifting through the raves, and read this excerpt from The Times (UK): “Cusk’s prose, always oddly fustian, starts to sound like a cut-price Victorian novelist. There’s a lot of heavy-handed Garden of Eden symbolism. It feels like a strange rehashing of a DH Lawrence novel, with talk of wills and true origins and destroying one another. For no apparent reason M narrates the novel to someone called Jeffers, whom we never meet ... If you make it to the end (not a foregone conclusion) you’ll find a note explaining what the hell’s been going on ... Everything is accounted for—except the central, utterly baffling question. Why did Rachel Cusk write this book?” Ouch. Thank you for the insights, and for doing the legwork on this one. 🙏🏻"

Hi Jeff, thanks for this fantastic comment, and I'm sorry I'm so slow to reply to it. No, I haven't read the trilogy. This is my first time reading Rachel Cusk (a bit disappointing, sadly). What a quote from that review you shared - I have to say I agree. I am not entirely sure about the answer to that all-important question. WHY. Especially, after having read this wonderful New Yorker article, which tells more about Mabel Dodge Luhan, who was an eccentric, controversial and complex individual. According to the author of the article, Cusk's Luhan was sanitized and over-simplified. So, again, I ask... why???

https://www.newyorker.com/books/under...


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Jennifer Welsh Damn, Robin, you got her pegged! 😂 I freakin’ love her, yet 100% agree with you. My favorite of hers was Transit - by a lot. I haven’t loved everything I’ve read.


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Zoeytron I'll just sit back and have that easily won beer that Joe mentioned, while you savor your hard-earned martini. This sounds too trig for me. Your review was entertaining and has spawned a terrific comment thread.


Robin Jennifer wrote: "Damn, Robin, you got her pegged! 😂 I freakin’ love her, yet 100% agree with you. My favorite of hers was Transit - by a lot. I haven’t loved everything I’ve read."

Aw, I so appreciate hearing that, Jennifer, particularly since you're a fan of hers. Thank you! I'll have to keep Transit in mind, if I decide to read her again. (Not sure at the moment if that will happen... I'm kind of put off by the fact that she based her book on another book - using names/initials/situations from that book - but that she's telling interviewers that she wishes she never "revealed" this to her readers because it's distracting them from what she's doing in her book... god, please stop talking, Rachel Cusk....)


Robin Zoeytron wrote: "I'll just sit back and have that easily won beer that Joe mentioned, while you savor your hard-earned martini. This sounds too trig for me. Your review was entertaining and has spawned a terrific comment thread."

Zoey, thanks, and I agree, the comment thread has been great, and that is thanks to none other than my many brilliant Goodreads friends. You're one of them, of course! Enjoy the beer - cheers :D


Stefan Serneels "The truth lies not in any claim to reality, but in the place where what is real moves beyond our interpretation of it. True art means seeking to capture the unreal." My interpretation: it means that reality is only really reality were we can not reach it's essence. It's like the essence of true art that you never will be able to comprehend and why it continues its mystery beyond meaning and keeps us interest in it. True reality is what we connot comprehend! It keeps us searching for it already for centuries! Nice sentence though! I'l read the book!


Robin Stefan, since you like the very sentence that drives me crazy, there's a more than excellent chance that you will love this book. I hope you do! It was just long-listed for the Booker Prize yesterday.

I have to say though, your interpretation ("reality is only really reality were we can not reach it's essence") left me just as boggled as I was before.


message 27: by Mary (new) - rated it 3 stars

Mary I entirely agree with you. Part of the time, this novel is insightful and captivating. And then it's not. It's both uneven and truncated, but certainly more than worth reading.


message 28: by Robin (last edited Aug 18, 2021 11:57AM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Robin Mary wrote: "I entirely agree with you. Part of the time, this novel is insightful and captivating. And then it's not. It's both uneven and truncated, but certainly more than worth reading."

Hi Mary - sorry for the delay in replying to your comment (I no longer receive email notifications when someone comments on my reviews - thanks, Goodreads!). Anyway, I appreciate your comment and your apt description of this novel.


Janine Morin Excellent review! I concur wholeheartedly.


Robin Janine wrote: "Excellent review! I concur wholeheartedly."

Thank you, Janine!


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Fionnuala The wavering of your reading scales, now to the left, now to the right, was fun to follow, Robin. It reflected my own wavering perfectly though I eventually found something to counterpoise the left hand side even if it could be argued I didn't find it in the book but in my own imagination;-)
Your entire review plus the comment thread have been a treat to read. Here's to us finding each other's reviews more often!


Robin Fionnuala wrote: "The wavering of your reading scales, now to the left, now to the right, was fun to follow, Robin. It reflected my own wavering perfectly though I eventually found something to counterpoise the left hand side even if it could be argued I didn't find it in the book but in my own imagination;-)
Your entire review plus the comment thread have been a treat to read. Here's to us finding each other's reviews more often!"


Thank you, Fionnuala! Sorry it's taken days to reply to your lovely comment - I no longer get email notifications for comments and so they are so easily lost! I'm pleased we have been finding each other more in recent days, I'll be on the lookout for more of your illuminating reviews.


message 33: by Laysee (new)

Laysee I marvel at how skilfully and eloquently you wrote this hardest-to-write review, Robin. It gave me good sense of the novel’s tightrope dance between brilliance and bafflement.


message 34: by Ken (new) - rated it 3 stars

Ken As Miss Emily would say, "Then there's a pair of us!" Wafting to the left, I mean. Excellent review. Nailed it.


Robin Laysee wrote: "I marvel at how skilfully and eloquently you wrote this hardest-to-write review, Robin. It gave me good sense of the novel’s tightrope dance between brilliance and bafflement."

Thank you for your kind words, Laysee. There were more moments of bafflement than brilliance (which is why, on further consideration, I've rated this 2 stars and not three), but it definitely had some moments that I admired.


Robin Ken wrote: "As Miss Emily would say, "Then there's a pair of us!" Wafting to the left, I mean. Excellent review. Nailed it."

Thanks, Ken. Yes, I definitely wafted left (see, I couldn't help but change my rating by a star... Cusk won't care, and it's more suited to how I feel about the book, a few months later), and your very clever review captured my experience perfectly. It's great to be in your company!


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Jo It’s based on the writer DH Lawrence


Robin Jo wrote: "It’s based on the writer DH Lawrence"

Well, sort of. It's revealed at the end of the book that it's based on Mabel Dodge Luhan's account Lorenzo in Taos, when she (M) hosted Lawrence (L) at her home. But Rachel Cusk, in interviews, has expressed regret at mentioning her source material. Something I find quite odd.


message 39: by Karin (new)

Karin I have only read an excerpt in Harper’s and was wavering as to whether to read the entire book. Thanks for your review! I might start with an earlier novel, as someone new to this author.


message 40: by Kristin (new)

Kristin I just finished the book, and this review is spot-on.


Robin Karin wrote: "I have only read an excerpt in Harper’s and was wavering as to whether to read the entire book. Thanks for your review! I might start with an earlier novel, as someone new to this author."

Thanks, Karin! I've heard that this is perhaps less accessible than her Outline trilogy, although I can't vouch for that, this being my first time reading Cusk and having nothing else of hers to compare it with. I hope you find something that works for you.


Robin Kristin wrote: "I just finished the book, and this review is spot-on."

Thanks Kristin, I appreciate that.


message 43: by Mel (new) - rated it 3 stars

Mel Barrett Yes this pretty much sums up my feeling on this book. Some I wanted to highlight & keep forever, other bits were utterly either nonsense or over my head


Robin Mel wrote: "Yes this pretty much sums up my feeling on this book. Some I wanted to highlight & keep forever, other bits were utterly either nonsense or over my head"

Sounds about right to me, Mel! :D Thanks for sharing how it was for you.


message 45: by JimZ (new) - rated it 2 stars

JimZ Thank you Robin...I concur with you wholeheartedly.


Bianca I missed your review for this. I'm struggling with this novel, I find over-written, and as you well said, pretentious.


Robin JimZ wrote: "Thank you Robin...I concur with you wholeheartedly."

Thanks, Jim! Yes, we had a similar experience here.


Robin Bianca wrote: "I missed your review for this. I'm struggling with this novel, I find over-written, and as you well said, pretentious."

Thank you, Bianca. I've never read so many nonsensical sentences in one (very short, I might add) book. Have you had any luck with it or did you decide to move on to something else?


Bianca Robin wrote: "Bianca wrote: "I missed your review for this. I'm struggling with this novel, I find over-written, and as you well said, pretentious."

Thank you, Bianca. I've never read so many nonsensical senten..."


I gave up after 100 pages. I rated it 1 star. It drove me up the wall.


Robin Bianca wrote: "I gave up after 100 pages. I rated it 1 star. It drove me up the wall."

I totally understand.

(Weird, there's no link to your 1-star review next to your name, like is usual. When I click there it just shows that you have it listed as "to-read".)


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