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The Portable Door (J. W. Wells & Co., #1)
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After thirty years in emergency response and nursing, and a lifetime of being associated with law enforcement people, I like to think I'm somewhat of an expert on snark. What I've learned is that snark has a time and a place, and that too much of it distances us from meaningful interaction, and the people we are trying to convince to care. Its value is in the remark waking others up to possibilities and interpretations: like deconstructionism, it should come with an entrée of a solution. Otherwise, it's just unrelenting peanut gallery commentary throwing up straw barriers to caring.
Tom Holt/K.J. Parker seems to be at the advanced level of snark. If you love his books, I'm happy for you. But you should move along. I'm not kidding.
"Furthermore, he suspected that if Mr. Wurmtoter knew a tenth as much about people as he presumably did about dragons, he'd have taken a look at the cold glare in her eye and jumped out of the window. Paul let her go first, and took care to stay several paces behind her all the way back to the office.
Paul had believed in the existence of six a.m. for many years, just as he'd always believed in the yeti and the Loch Ness monster; in the same way, he'd always devoutly hoped that he'd never have to confront any of them face to face. But, somehow or other, he made it to the office door on time, to find Sophie already waiting. She was wearing a suit that had probably belonged to her grandmother, who had kept it for funerals."
The fundamental problem with unrelenting snark is the distancing--verbal social-distancing, if you will. Sure, it's funny, but as a character quips and sarcastically notes his way through his life (and they are usually 'hims'), they are forgoing the possibility of real connection, both to the character and the setting. Used wisely, it can create the aura of world-weary disillusionment in the situation and institutions that surround him. Used poorly, it mostly just seems like an immature character who would rather be funny than thoughtful. It pokes fun rather than illuminates.
I tried The Portable Door because it was first in Holt's urban fantasy-type series, about an everyday man who discovers a talent for magic and gets co-opted into the office managing the surreal. It wasn't available at my library (always a sign), but I thought it a good idea to start the series at the beginning. And oh, what a beginning. So much exposition. Holt has certainly learned his lesson since, as Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City jumps right into the skirmishes. But reading Door made me feel like I was literally accompanying a young, disillusioned man on his introduction into the magical. Daily. Lots of repetition with very little curiosity, a critical impediment in an urban fantasy which should be introducing the reader to a magical world. "Poor me!" is the refrain through the book, an attitude I have little tolerance for. His rare moments of curiosity and interest are usually about women. It's honestly boring. It's male chick-lit, because I get very little about why I should care about him.
"Paul nodded. 'You bet. I don't like all this weird stuff. On the other hand, I need the job.'
'Same here. If I went home and told them I'd jacked it in, they'd go mad. You know, scenes and melodrama. Give me the weirdness any day.'
Quietly, Paul blessed the thin girl's parents for their attitude; because if she threw in her job, that'd be that, he'd probably never see her again. Mysterious swords and things with claws didn't exactly appeal to him as integral parts of the working environment, but he was damned if he was going to let them come between him and a girl who'd actually smiled at him, twice."
I read in a couple of fits, and finally got solidly distracted at 88%, per my kindle. Had it been a paper book, I would have done a solid skim to the end, but I find that much harder to do with kindle. Yep, that's the kind of tension it had, that one could just be annoyed enough to walk away, even almost to the ending.
So: a main character that is both uninteresting and uninterested; a paucity of magical details and a plethora of needless inner monologue ones; and 'magic' that is basically about a sword in a stone and weirdness in the office means a solid 'meh' read. For those that read in the genre, it's kind of a junior, less well-written, less action-oriented Laundry Files. Good luck.
Tom Holt/K.J. Parker seems to be at the advanced level of snark. If you love his books, I'm happy for you. But you should move along. I'm not kidding.
"Furthermore, he suspected that if Mr. Wurmtoter knew a tenth as much about people as he presumably did about dragons, he'd have taken a look at the cold glare in her eye and jumped out of the window. Paul let her go first, and took care to stay several paces behind her all the way back to the office.
Paul had believed in the existence of six a.m. for many years, just as he'd always believed in the yeti and the Loch Ness monster; in the same way, he'd always devoutly hoped that he'd never have to confront any of them face to face. But, somehow or other, he made it to the office door on time, to find Sophie already waiting. She was wearing a suit that had probably belonged to her grandmother, who had kept it for funerals."
The fundamental problem with unrelenting snark is the distancing--verbal social-distancing, if you will. Sure, it's funny, but as a character quips and sarcastically notes his way through his life (and they are usually 'hims'), they are forgoing the possibility of real connection, both to the character and the setting. Used wisely, it can create the aura of world-weary disillusionment in the situation and institutions that surround him. Used poorly, it mostly just seems like an immature character who would rather be funny than thoughtful. It pokes fun rather than illuminates.
I tried The Portable Door because it was first in Holt's urban fantasy-type series, about an everyday man who discovers a talent for magic and gets co-opted into the office managing the surreal. It wasn't available at my library (always a sign), but I thought it a good idea to start the series at the beginning. And oh, what a beginning. So much exposition. Holt has certainly learned his lesson since, as Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City jumps right into the skirmishes. But reading Door made me feel like I was literally accompanying a young, disillusioned man on his introduction into the magical. Daily. Lots of repetition with very little curiosity, a critical impediment in an urban fantasy which should be introducing the reader to a magical world. "Poor me!" is the refrain through the book, an attitude I have little tolerance for. His rare moments of curiosity and interest are usually about women. It's honestly boring. It's male chick-lit, because I get very little about why I should care about him.
"Paul nodded. 'You bet. I don't like all this weird stuff. On the other hand, I need the job.'
'Same here. If I went home and told them I'd jacked it in, they'd go mad. You know, scenes and melodrama. Give me the weirdness any day.'
Quietly, Paul blessed the thin girl's parents for their attitude; because if she threw in her job, that'd be that, he'd probably never see her again. Mysterious swords and things with claws didn't exactly appeal to him as integral parts of the working environment, but he was damned if he was going to let them come between him and a girl who'd actually smiled at him, twice."
I read in a couple of fits, and finally got solidly distracted at 88%, per my kindle. Had it been a paper book, I would have done a solid skim to the end, but I find that much harder to do with kindle. Yep, that's the kind of tension it had, that one could just be annoyed enough to walk away, even almost to the ending.
So: a main character that is both uninteresting and uninterested; a paucity of magical details and a plethora of needless inner monologue ones; and 'magic' that is basically about a sword in a stone and weirdness in the office means a solid 'meh' read. For those that read in the genre, it's kind of a junior, less well-written, less action-oriented Laundry Files. Good luck.
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Oooh, I do want to try one of his "Holt" books, but I am also afraid of any fiction marketed as humor.
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Very few people I know read any of these books, and sadly, my library only has a couple later in the series. This was... okay? Dragged a bit. Kind of a male-lead gentle new-adult-UF-romance sort-of-humor. I'll skip ahead now that I have the gist and see if the series changes.
I'm not surprised. When it was finally revealed K.J. Parker was Holt, I was like, who? They'd made such a big deal of the secret I'd expected a name I'd recognize. I can only assume Holt is better known / sells better in the UK than the US.
I find some of his Parker stuff quite funny, but it's funny in voice, not joke funny, or a funny thing happened funny, like american humorous fiction tries to be. And comparing anything to Pratchett is an instant turn off for me, so I've been kind of side-eyeing the Holt stuff for a while.
I find some of his Parker stuff quite funny, but it's funny in voice, not joke funny, or a funny thing happened funny, like american humorous fiction tries to be. And comparing anything to Pratchett is an instant turn off for me, so I've been kind of side-eyeing the Holt stuff for a while.
*double checks to see if I compared to Pratchett* I did think of Pratchett...
Oh! I had no idea this was a pseudonym. Funny! And odd--this really could use editing. The 'door' doesn't appear until 50%, if I remember correctly. I feel like this would be a three star read for you too--probably some things you'd really like and some you might not. I feel like you might like the slice-of-life part more than I, so your mileage may be better.
Oh! I had no idea this was a pseudonym. Funny! And odd--this really could use editing. The 'door' doesn't appear until 50%, if I remember correctly. I feel like this would be a three star read for you too--probably some things you'd really like and some you might not. I feel like you might like the slice-of-life part more than I, so your mileage may be better.
I'm fuzzy on the details but if I remember right, the Tom Holt books came first, then K.J. Parker was invented for him to publish a different type of stuff without confusing us poor readers. The Parker stuff has a reputation for nerding out on ancient tech, but I haven't found it to be nearly as annoying as your average fantasy author's made up tech/magic system nonsense.
There was some podcast I heard where he said he finally decided to unmask so he could interact with fans of the Parker stuff. My impression is the Parker stuff is better known at least in the US. In the same interview I think, he mentioned C.J. Cherryh as an inspiration for the Parker stuff, after reading her Dirge for Sabis trilogy while he was in the hospital or something like that. I haven't read any Cherryh since I was a kid so I don't have any recollection to compare them.
There was some podcast I heard where he said he finally decided to unmask so he could interact with fans of the Parker stuff. My impression is the Parker stuff is better known at least in the US. In the same interview I think, he mentioned C.J. Cherryh as an inspiration for the Parker stuff, after reading her Dirge for Sabis trilogy while he was in the hospital or something like that. I haven't read any Cherryh since I was a kid so I don't have any recollection to compare them.
Huh. All very interesting. Thank you. I don't know anything about the Parker, except that they are quite popular. I haven't tried any yet. It actually helps to know that Cherryh was partly the inspiration.
I've tried to like Tom Holt's books and never really succeeded - they are on the edge of me liking them and I never make it there. I think your review has highlighted some things for me that may be the reasons why. Incidentally, I was once at a fantasy (or sf) convention and Tom Holt was there. Saw him at breakfast in fetching blue and white patterned cotton trousers with a bib up the front. Or anyway, I was told by someone else that it was him. I was impressed that he didn't get baked bean sauce down his gear - it's the kind of thing that would happen to me if I wore blue and white cotton to breakfast.
For me it is tea. Definitely need to sit and fuel up and wake up properly. My late father was super energetic and bouncy in the morning, not quite ricocheting off the walls but close - and would sing a jolly song. And regularly try to get a response from me. I'm not sure whether he just didn't understand "not a morning person" or thought if he tried hard enough I'd transform. I was never awake enough to ask.....
Great review Carol! Very well articulated. :)
Paucity of magical details and an uninteresting MC are red flags for me.. I was initially interested in some books by this author because the blurbs seemed intriguing. Sigh.
Paucity of magical details and an uninteresting MC are red flags for me.. I was initially interested in some books by this author because the blurbs seemed intriguing. Sigh.
I haven't read all of his books, but I've enjoyed "Who's afraid of Beowulf" and "Expecting someone taller". Both of those have the advantage of strong female characters as well.
And his historical novels "Goatsong" and "The walled orchard" are super, although the humor is much darker.
I love the description of unrelenting snark. I grew up loving dry humor, snark, etc... and general internet discourse has been beating it out of me. Your description sums that up in a way I couldn't, thank you!
AJ, right? I work with a guy who is a sarcasm-master--or so he thinks. Mostly it prevents having a real conversation.
MB (What she read) wrote: "I haven't read all of his books, but I've enjoyed "Who's afraid of Beowulf" and "Expecting someone taller". Both of those have the advantage of strong female characters as well."
Good to know! I think his style is probably not for me. Certainly the ones I've read could use a female character that isn't just male-adjacent.
Good to know! I think his style is probably not for me. Certainly the ones I've read could use a female character that isn't just male-adjacent.
Amrita wrote: "Great review Carol! Very well articulated. :)
Paucity of magical details and an uninteresting MC are red flags for me.. I was initially interested in some books by this author because the blurbs se..."
Thanks. I think he was going for "Pratchett in an urban fantasy" but not really succeeding.
Paucity of magical details and an uninteresting MC are red flags for me.. I was initially interested in some books by this author because the blurbs se..."
Thanks. I think he was going for "Pratchett in an urban fantasy" but not really succeeding.
Hmm, I think we use "snark" differently. In my brain snark=fun, though of course moderation is key. But yeah, those excerpts are exactly the sort of humor I was afraid I'd find in these books. It strikes me more as snark's feeble minded cousin. I wish I could articulate exactly the difference between that and the "Parker" stuff.
Daniel, I'm afraid I go more towards the dictionary definition of snark being a more anti-authoritarian sarcasm. (n. Slang
1. A snide, sarcastic, or disrespectful attitude). Like pomegranate seeds, it should be used to flavor, not modus operandi.
1. A snide, sarcastic, or disrespectful attitude). Like pomegranate seeds, it should be used to flavor, not modus operandi.
Chrisanne wrote: "I know I don't comment on your reviews much, but thank you for giving it a name with "Male Chick-lit". It finally made everything about the popularity of certain series click for me."
lol, thank you, Chrisanne. I'll be honest, my shelf title usually is a more vulgar version. ;)
lol, thank you, Chrisanne. I'll be honest, my shelf title usually is a more vulgar version. ;)
carol. wrote: "Daniel, I'm afraid I go more towards the dictionary definition of snark being a more anti-authoritarian sarcasm. (n. Slang
1. A snide, sarcastic, or disrespectful attitude). Like pomegranate seeds,..."
I've always thought of snark as witty sarcasm with a touch of mean, though maybe not cruelty mean more like teasing mean. Where snide would just be mean and disrespectful, without the wit. All of them definitely distancing. But agree, it should be deployed in moderation, not something attempted continuously.
1. A snide, sarcastic, or disrespectful attitude). Like pomegranate seeds,..."
I've always thought of snark as witty sarcasm with a touch of mean, though maybe not cruelty mean more like teasing mean. Where snide would just be mean and disrespectful, without the wit. All of them definitely distancing. But agree, it should be deployed in moderation, not something attempted continuously.
I have called the sort of self-indulgent smart-ass male writing "Dick-Lit" for more than twenty years. (Only to myself because my son begged me to stop saying it out loud.)
For a year now, I’ve been meaning to tell you how much I enjoy your reviews. People have said of my favorite musician Nick Drake “he’s a musician’s musician.” I am not a musician, but I am a writer, and I think it’s safe to say you’ve become my favorite reviewer? Critic? Poster? on Goodreads. When I read your posts, I think, she’s a writer’s writer! So thanks for taking the time. I always enjoy reading these.
Jan wrote: "I have called the sort of self-indulgent smart-ass male writing "Dick-Lit" for more than twenty years. (Only to myself because my son begged me to stop saying it out loud.)"
Jan, 😁
Jan, 😁
Mitticus wrote: "It's been in my TBR for ages... now I'm not sure. Great review :)"
Thank you, Mitticus. Plenty loved it. Just don't expect fantasy and lots of war strategy.
Thank you, Mitticus. Plenty loved it. Just don't expect fantasy and lots of war strategy.
Selena wrote: "I am not a musician, but I am a writer, and I think it’s safe to say you’ve become my favorite reviewer? Critic? Poster? on Goodreads."
Selena, that is a wonderful compliment. Thank you; you honor me.
Selena, that is a wonderful compliment. Thank you; you honor me.
Thanks for your sacrifice, Carol. If it gets a 1 star from you, I won't be touching it. A typically thoughtful and persuasive (naturally, not in the sense that you're attempting to persuade) review.
I have to say though, I'm actually more impressed to find another Nick Drake fan on the platform, a rare thing, indeed Selena.
I have to say though, I'm actually more impressed to find another Nick Drake fan on the platform, a rare thing, indeed Selena.
The series might very well improve, Jonathan. :) But I think I'm out as to his style.
Diane, thank you.
Diane, thank you.
Excellent review, Carol, and a very thoughtful take on the shortcomings of snark. There's a compassionate human warmth in Pratchett's books (after the first few) so aside from their being British humorists they might not be all that similar. I'd have to read some of Holt to know for sure, and considering that my experience with his Parker pseudonym was not encouraging, I'm not super likely to take the effort to find out directly.
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Beth wrote: "Excellent review, Carol, and a very thoughtful take on the shortcomings of snark. There's a compassionate human warmth in Pratchett's books (after the first few) "
You are absolutely right, Beth. Someone compared Sixteen Ways to Guards, and while the sense of obligation, humor and sidekick may be there, the compassion isn't. Brava.
You are absolutely right, Beth. Someone compared Sixteen Ways to Guards, and while the sense of obligation, humor and sidekick may be there, the compassion isn't. Brava.
Hmmm, well, now I’m actually tempted but cautious. I love snark (Gideon the Ninth won me over pretty quickly) and the snarky dorky humor of The Martian is a balm for my soul. On the other hand, the type of immature snark of The Henchmen's Book Club was pretty offputting. So I just don’t know. Maybe if I ever come across a free copy I’ll give it a try, but *very* cautiously.
Okay, it was such a small group that would get it, so I didn't put it in my review, but it totally reminded me of Henchmen' Book Club snark.
carol. wrote: "Okay, it was such a small group that would get it, so I didn't put it in my review, but it totally reminded me of Henchmen' Book Club snark."
Ah, ok then. In that case, that’s a no for me. I don’t want to revisit *that*.
Ah, ok then. In that case, that’s a no for me. I don’t want to revisit *that*.
Yes, snark with a side of tone-deaf. As Beth mentioned above, it differs from Pratchett in the sense of compassion.
carol. wrote: "Yes, snark with a side of tone-deaf. As Beth mentioned above, it differs from Pratchett in the sense of compassion."
I see. That’s true — Pratchett does have a strong sense of compassion, and his snark was never mean or tone-deaf. Taking this one off my list.
I see. That’s true — Pratchett does have a strong sense of compassion, and his snark was never mean or tone-deaf. Taking this one off my list.
For me, I really feel snark has quite a distinct and limited time and place. Like Nataliya, I thought it was well done in The Martian, but unlike her (and the whole world apparently) I DNFd Gideon just several pages in. In The Martian I felt like it was used as part of Whatley's attempt to keep himself upbeat, which was crucial to his survival. In Gideon it felt tiresome. So often snark makes the character come across as rude and a bit boorish. I suppose there is such a thing as sincere and erudite snark, but you need to be a pretty excellent writer to achieve that.
With Gideon, you need to last for about a third of the book and then Stockholm syndrome kicks in and then you are ready to do anything for that book. 😂 (also, it spoke to my immature inner adolescent).
Exactly, Justine. I was thinking of places where it worked, and such tropes as the tired, world-weary detective often does. But the catch with that trope is that they end up believing in certain things as 'good,' (the beautiful woman in distress, for instance) and so there are moments where hope is part of the scenario. There's often more back-story that allows for the snark as well--being disenfranchised from the system, economic scarcity, falling-from-grace, etc, that accompanies it--the sense that 'the system failed me so I earned it.' In this book, he's merely young and has a hard time getting a job after he's let go from his first. I don't recall significant backstory--in this case, it feels as you say, rude, particularly when it's applied to the woman he's attracted to.
lol, Nataliya at your explanation. Actually, I think the reader could develop sympathy for Gideon--hers seems a reaction to her extremely disconnected upbringing, utterly lacking in intimate connection. Her moments of tenderness and sincerity towards the weak prime (or whatever) of one of the other houses helped humanize her, as her growing realization of Harrow as a person.
lol, Nataliya at your explanation. Actually, I think the reader could develop sympathy for Gideon--hers seems a reaction to her extremely disconnected upbringing, utterly lacking in intimate connection. Her moments of tenderness and sincerity towards the weak prime (or whatever) of one of the other houses helped humanize her, as her growing realization of Harrow as a person.
I clicked like on this because of the interesting review and the snickering smile it brought me. Being a passing fan of the earlier LaundryFiles, I'm going to have to give this 1 rated book a go just to see what truly awful is.
I will be very interested in your thoughts, Rob! I wouldn't say, 'awful;' just 'boring' and 'not for me.' :D Best of luck!
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