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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. I'm sorry for the way this discussion ended as I think there is a potential for a fruitful discussion on Nigerian media sources. Reliability can depend on the context, I know there is media in the U.S. that is considered reliable unless the subject is politics and then the source is considered partisan. I assume that is what the nominator is getting out, that some of the Nigerian sources are reliable except when it is BLP in which case the coverage could be seen as promotional. I hope further discussion, with cool heads, can continue on an appropriate talk page. Thanks to all editors who participated thoughtfully despite the socks weighing in, too. Please keep an eye out for the recreation of this article which has happened at a number of similar page titles. Liz Read! Talk! 22:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Kelblizz

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This is very much A7-able, but let's look at it together. This article has a long history of sockpuppetry, and while not the grounds of this nomination, the same problems from the 2019 AfD persist. This article simply does not tell us why Kelblizz is a notable disc jokey, just like we had DJ YK Mule. Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:MUSICIAN, or WP:GNG for having too many (if not all, see analysis below) churnalism, non-INDEPENDENT and non-RS pieces.



Source assessment table: prepared by User:Vanderwaalforces
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://thenationonlineng.net/meet-dj-kelblizz-the-nigerian-dj-breaking-limits-with-melodic-sounds/ No Way promotional piece from the reliable The Nation (per WP:NGRS) No We can't rely on a piece that is this promotional. No Sadly, this does not provide WP:SIGCOV on details we can add in an encyclopedia for him but rather promotion and praises. ✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/07/i-want-to-contribute-to-growth-of-afrobeats-dj-kelblizz/ No Promotional piece from the marginally reliable Vanguard (per WP:VANGUARD). Also, has statements that make it clear that it is very much dependent on the subject. No We can't rely on a piece that is this promotional, lacks a byline and comes from a marginally reliable source per WP:VANGUARD. No Ditto The Nation. ✘ No
https://thenicheng.com/meet-dj-kelblizz-the-dj-extending-a-new-era-of-good-music/ No Has statements that make it clear that it is very much dependent on the subject, definitely coming from one who knows Kelblizz very well, likely himself. No Source is okay, but we can't rely on a piece that clearly fails WP:INDEPENDENT. ~ Ditto. ✘ No
https://theeagleonline.com.ng/dj-kelblizz-storms-global-music-world-with-lyrics-support-for-artists/ No This is pure churnalism. Has statements that make it clear that it is very much dependent on the subject, definitely coming from one who knows Kelblizz very well, likely himself. No Source is okay, but we can't rely on a piece that clearly fails WP:INDEPENDENT. No Does nothing but praises and promotions, not much of a WP:SIGCOV pass for the subject. ✘ No
https://sundiatapost.com/nigerian-disc-jockey-dj-kelblizz-voice-out-about-goals-to-excellence/ No Another pure churnalism. Overly promotional puff. No Source is okay, but we can't rely on a piece that clearly fails WP:INDEPENDENT. ~ Ditto. ✘ No
https://thewillnews.com/why-nigerian-artistes-excel-in-global-music-than-others-in-africa-dj-kelblizz/ No This one is easy, clearly an interview. No Source is okay, but we can't rely on a piece that clearly fails WP:INDEPENDENT. No This is him talking about other things, and not about himself. ✘ No
https://thenicheng.com/dj-kelblizz-strides-into-electronic-dance-music-with-driven-purpose/ No Promotional puff and pure churnalism. No Source is okay, but we can't rely on a piece that is overly promotional in nature and clearly fails WP:INDEPENDENT. No not much of a WP:SIGCOV for the subject. ✘ No
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2024/08/29/dj-kelblizz-nigerian-leading-dj-delivering-evablazing-sounds/ No Promotional puff and pure churnalism. I also have serious suspicions here on why this was published in the newspaper on 29 August and was used in this Wikipedia article that same day. No Source is okay, but we can't rely on a piece that lacks a byline, is overly promotional in nature, and clearly fails WP:INDEPENDENT. Yes Ditto. ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
40k followers on youtube, but only has 3 videos, two from two yrs ago, one from 3 mths ago. Tiktok has a whole 600 followers [2]. This person isn't known to the public, simply based on the lack of social media virality. This is likely an attempt at PROMO.Oaktree b (talk) 00:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, This subject is a Disc Jockey and not a musician, DJs are notable for the event and tour they cover, the mixes, they make for the public and in events, article meet GNG, can you see the assessment? For someone to give such assessment it means the person just wants to prove a point and all I see is that it’s a total garbage and probably this nomination isn’t assuming good faith, from the history of this article, this page was undeleted and sock was addressed, same user @Vanderwaalforces request for deletion. All the source I see are from reliable sources and independent of the subject, a lot of people have written about this subject, I don’t see any reason why the nominator calls all of the sources a promo? not all DJs drops songs on streaming platforms and social media has nothing to count for notability rather having multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. 105.116.7.104 (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, he has no coverage in RS and his music seems to have no critical attention. He can be whatever he wants to be, but a lack of sourcing and a lack of critical notice do not add up to notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being a DJ that no one listens to, isn't notable, to be blunt. Oaktree b (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any song on the platform? Shows that his not a musician . Why mentioning all about social media, I suggest you check WP:NGRS 105.116.7.104 (talk) 01:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC) Struck comment from IP sock of Wizkizayo.[reply]
I have, social media is not listed there, and we have no songs posted to any of these Nigerian sources, hence the individual is not notable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, This subject is verified organically on Instagram due to Notability,The subject has 45,000 subscribers on YouTube as you mentioned here, so what makes you think the subject didn’t delete his videos on YouTube and songs from platforms? Other celebrities do that and you can’t question them, you saw no song on platforms [3], this is a DJ not a musician. 105.116.7.104 (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck comment from IP sock of Wizkizayo.

I have an instagram and have posted music, that doesn't make a person notable. DJ's with a lack of sourcing and a small social media presence aren't notable here. Oaktree b (talk) 01:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is this person notable then? Please present decent sourcing that talks about him, that show's he's gone viral and has attained notability. We don't have any of these and that's the issue here. Oaktree b (talk) 01:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
did you check the article and did you check google? I can here to read about a celebrity I’ve heard alot about and I came to see such and it’s not nice, if @Vanderwaalforces says all the source are promo then do you mean everything those reliable platforms post are promo ? All I know is that this @Vanderwaalforces needs to be blocked, I can’t come to Wikipedia to read about someone and I see things like this, like I said a celebrity can decide to take down all his songs from platforms and delete his posts from social media, other celebrities do that sir, the subject has a real verified instagram account and I’ve heard about his events so many times that’s why I came here 105.116.7.104 (talk) 01:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Struck comments from IP sock of Wizkizayo.[reply]
  • Comment: I will also note that in the last AfD, the arguments were made that he was "fast rising" and "up and coming"; it's been 5 years since then, if he's still "up and coming", I don't think he's important enough to get an article. Fast rising isn't taking 6 years to be at least a tiny bit notable; to argue otherwise is silly. He wasn't notable then and appears about the same now. Oaktree b (talk) 01:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Check the source if you see such, as “fast rising” because I just did and they are fine content and the subject is News worthy, ask the nominator his problem for saying all this celebrities content online are promotional, maybe he is angry that a lot of notable newspapers published this subject over time and from the sources, they are all significant coverage. 105.116.7.104 (talk) 01:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC) Struck comments from IP sock of Wizkizayo.[reply]
    Ok, thank you. We'll go no further in this pointless exercise. Oaktree b (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I have checked all the references, and there really is no evidence of notability. Restoring the article after the previous deletion discussion was questionable, but I suppose it's fair enough to give a chance for new evidence of notability to be provided, but unfortunately that hasn't been done. JBW (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepThis subject meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, which qualifies the article to be on Wikipedia, reliable per WP:NGRS in Nigeria. 105.116.4.65 (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC) Struck comment from IP sock of Wizkizayo.[reply]
  • Delete. I agree with the main takeaway from Vanderwaalforces's source analysis, i.e., that the new sources show all the hallmarks of promotional paid media, which is unfortunately far from uncommon in the Nigerian press. In the absence of genuinely independent sourcing, this person remains non-notable. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As requested by Liz on my talk, I intentionally sit out this AfD to let other editors who are not familiar with the subject reach consensus. Most of the times, I like to look at WP:RS/N or similar projects like Nigerian sources for ref assessment and to see what's reliable and what's not. The CiteHighlighter script marked at least 2 or 3 references from that article as reliable and i found them listed at Nigerian sources which is what led me to think the subject was legit. I have heard of Nigerian brown envelope journalism before, but this time I gave it the benefit of the doubt since different sources repeat the same Intel about the subject. By the looks of it and the source assessment table above, references cited on this article are definitely not reliable, therefore it would help a lot if they were red flagged to avoid such issues in the future. dxneo (talk) 08:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is imperative that I clarify this again, and I will continue doing so. These publications (sources) are not "definitely not reliable." Whenever I assess sources for AfD, I do so on a case-by-case and piece-by-piece basis. The Nation, The Guardian, The Punch, among others, are generally reliable sources. In a nutshell, their journalism is reliable, especially for topics that are not biographies (at least, of living persons). Some individuals seeking exposure by any means may go to these newspapers to publish their bizarre pieces, which is why each assessment should be done on a case-by-case and piece-by-piece basis. These sources/publications are reliable; in fact, once they are listed as reliable on WP:NGRS, then that is definitive. I am watching that page very carefully. However, the individual pieces should still be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Saying the sources are unreliable is like blocking a large IP range because of one bad IP. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry Vanderwaalforces, but that does not make any sense at all. So if it was sports then these publications are "generally reliable" but when it's biography they are not? Make it make sense. If they are paid for then I don't see why you would say they are "generally reliable". Not everyone got your eyes and can see promo from a mile away. It's either they are reliable or unreliable, which one is it? One thing I noticed about projects like WP:Nigerian sources is that most domains listed there have never been assessed, it's just someone's sole decision. dxneo (talk) 19:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is only a rude and ridiculous thing to say that everything I just typed above do “not make any sense at all”. I’d have loved to reply further but it would be a sequel my reply above and if that makes no sense, I’m afraid my next reply might also make no sense. Plus, let’s not clutter up this AfD with this. Happy editing, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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