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Scars to Prove It

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Light Makes a Way

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Imago Amor

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Living Room Anthology, Vol. 1

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Magnify (Remedy Drive album)

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hope's Not Giving Up

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The North Star (album)

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY requirements, specifically WP:NMUSIC; no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Manga+

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Now that Manga (album) has been cited do we still need this article which has been tagged uncited for years? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge any added content and redirect to the main album article, there's really not much extra in this reissue so it's not really needed as a standalone article Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 21:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remedy (The Blue One)

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Non-notable, no WP:SIGCOV, does not satisfy WP:NMUSIC. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rip Open the Skies

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No claim to notability, no WP:SIGCOV, does not satisfy WP:NMUSIC. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All the Love in the World (Nine Inch Nails song)

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Even though the article for this song has virtually entirely reliable sourcing on the surface, looking at the sources closer, I think it doesn't pass this section of WP:NSONGS: "If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." That is exactly the kind of situation I see here, and it's what it leads me to believe it should just be redirected to With Teeth. Of the sources in the article, most are passing mentions from album reviews, one is a publication posting a video of them performing it live for the first time which does not show notability, and the content and source in the "cultural references" section really don't add much of anything to the article, reliability notwithstanding. The song has not charted or been certified anywhere, as far as I can see. I can't find any additional coverage of this song, so once again, it should just be redirected to the above-mentioned article. JeffSpaceman (talk) 12:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are reliable and some do, in fact, go outside the scope of With Teeth reviews. KEEP Mrmoustache14 (talk) 13:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the WP:SIGCOV though? I didn't argue that any of the sourcing was unreliable, nor did I say that all of the sources were reviews of the album, merely that most of them are. Of the ones that aren't, one is a publication that talks about the song being played live for the first time, which does not establish notability, and the other one is a book about the band that briefly provides the author's opinion on the song -- the book does not devote significant time to the song, so it is merely a passing mention. JeffSpaceman (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge ~~Redirect~~ - to With Teeth per WP:NSONGS. All the coverage is just cherry-picked mentions from an album review, except for one routine mention about playing it live for the first time many years after a release. Sergecross73 msg me 15:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revised stance to merge. I figured it was already covered at the album article, but it really isn't. The info in the article is good info to cover somewhere, it just doesn't establish a independent notability or a need for a stand-alone article. Sergecross73 msg me 16:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment ~~Redirect or Keep~~ I haven’t checked for notability myself, but that redirect target looks good. McYeee (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should probably just say "redirect" or wait until you can articulate an actual "keep" response - saying "keep" without a rationale doesn't mean anything, as it's WP:NOTAVOTE. Sergecross73 msg me 17:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. I guess my response wasn’t that helpful. I just think that, in general, if we have an article for an album, then where possible, we should have an article or a redirect for each song on the album. Rereading, I suspect everyone here already agrees that this is the case, so I haven’t said anything worth saying. So, feel free to ignore the comment. In particular, I was not trying to argue for Keeping over Redirecting it nor do I plan to. McYeee (talk) 09:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you're saying is a valid "redirect" stance (being a plausible search term for a song within an album), it just isn't a valid reason to keep the article as is. Sergecross73 msg me 10:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or redirect to With Teeth: Album reviews can't be used to establish notability for a song since they are considered indiscriminate sources for song articles by going over all or most of the songs on the album, and the criteria set forth in WP:NSONG alludes to this. To demonstrate notability, there needs to be evidence that reliable sources are specifically picking out this particular song with dedicated coverage at the exclusion of the album's other songs, and that has yet to be shown. Left guide (talk) 05:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets the general requirements for notability with significant coverage in reliable independent sources. A redirect is totally warranted anyway, so that I am absolutely opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am opposed to it being outright deleted as well. In my nomination, I specifically said that the article should be redirected, since as User:Sergecross73 notes above me, it is a plausible search term as a song on a notable album. I do want to ask you, though: What sources are providing WP:SIGCOV here, exactly? I ran through all of the sources in my nom, and eight are mentions from album review which as noted do not contribute to notability per WP:NSONG, one is a routine mention about it being debuted live in 2013, and the only other source is a brief mention in a book about the band. Where is the coverage that shows it has enough notability for a standalone article? JeffSpaceman (talk) 21:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not enough to just say it, you've got to prove it. How does it meet the notability standards? What sources provide significant coverage? How does this pass WP:NSONGS. Nothing in the article currently does, so you need to provide evidence. Sergecross73 msg me 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with the two replies immediately above that this !vote is merely a vague assertion that any competent closer or admin would ignore. It fails to address or rebut the concerns raised in this discussion about album reviews being unsuitable for song notability, which is backed by broad community consensus having been etched into site guidelines. Left guide (talk) 22:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JeffSpaceman: Brief but non-trivial mentions in Carr's book, in the article in Slug Mag, and the short articles about the live performance in NME and Stereogum, none of them being album reviews, for example. The rest of the coverage, although not necessarily relevant for notability, still can be used on the page. I did not mention WP:NSONGS myself, I think. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This does not answer my questions, it's more vague allusions. Sergecross73 msg me 00:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danke Deutschland

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I could not find additional references, sole reference does not seem to be about the song specifically, request for additional references is over a decade old Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The article's only source is a political science book, mentioning very briefly that the song appeared on TV once in 1992 during a key moment in Croatia-Germany relations. That's not enough for a Wikipedia article and the song has no other coverage that I can find. The singer had a long career but is only visible in the usual streaming and retail sites. Wikipedia is also not the place to copy/paste some lyrics. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back to the Real

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Probably should have discussed this along with Reel Tight. Looking at the sources (that aren't dead), the only source that somewhat confirms WP:NRV is an article by OffBeat and even then, the article doesn't elaborate much other than calling the band a success story. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography

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The discography and chart history of a nation's Eurovision entries has no relevance to the country's participation in Eurovision. Beyond the songs being Eurovision entries (which are already covered in more detail at Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest), how they charted in their country or elsewhere does not have an impact on the nation's participation history nor its success/placement at the contest. Grk1011 (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional nominated article for the same reasons:

The basis of this deletion discussion is based in the following policies/guidelines:

WP:GNG: The list lacks significant coverage in sources, with most supplied references being the chart positions themselves, with no added context. The article does not establish what grouping all of these songs and chart positions together is trying to prove, show, or discuss.
WP:NOTSTATS: The list of one specific statistic about these Eurovision songs only shows how they fared on one specific country's music charts (not even at the contest itself); it lacks context or explanation.
WP:LISTCRIT: The list is a synthesis of available information, compiled nowhere else in this level of detail other than on Wikipedia, for which the membership criteria remain somewhat unclear. The point of the article is just to identify a song's placing? To compare? Why only domestic charts? Why do other articles list the album they were on too? What text could be added to provide context without becoming WP:OR? How is this a "discography"?

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Delete both per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The information contained is relevant to the UK charts more so than the Eurovision itself, which is highly notable. It is also a useful guide to how successful the songs were in the real world. The information is well sourced, so I see no reason to delete. The UK article has been in existence for 13 years and receives regular edits, so obviously has a lot of interest. The nominator hasn't given any policy reasons for deletion other than he/she doesn't like it, it seems.Tuzapicabit (talk) 19:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the nominator's rationale but, as noted above, it doesn't appear to be based on a specific policy. Not one I'm familiar with at any rate. To my mind, the main applicable policy is WP:NLIST. Which would expect the list subject/members to be discussed as a group. And several sources, including those I found/added in my own BEFORE, appear to discuss the topic (performance of Irish Eurovision entries in the Irish singles chart) as a subject. And discuss the list members as a group. As expected by NLIST(?) Guliolopez (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've now elaborated to identify some specific policies. Grk1011 (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country Shindig

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I couldn't find evidence that this meets WP:NALBUM / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Better Days (Robbie Seay Band album)

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Articles about albums, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NALBUMS. As usual, Wikipedia's approach to albums used to extend an automatic presumption of notability to any album that was recorded by a notable artist regardless of sourcing or the lack thereof, in the name of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been deprecated, and an album now has to have a meaningful notability claim (chart success, notable music awards, a significant volume of coverage and analysis about it, etc.) and WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to support it.
But none of these three albums are making any notability claim above and beyond "this is an album that exists", two of the three are completely unreferenced, and the one that does have references doesn't have good ones: it's citing one review in an unreliable source, and one "Billboard chart history" that lists no actual chart positions and is present only to footnote a release date that it doesn't actually support rather than any charting claims.
As always, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more expertise in Christian music than I've got can find the right kind of sourcing to salvage them, but simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt an album from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Robbie Seay Band, all 3 fail WP:NALBUM. मल्ल (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolute (Aion album)

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Five articles about albums not shown to pass WP:NALBUM. Back in the day, Wikipedia's approach to album notability was to extend an automatic inclusion freebie to any album recorded by a notable artist, regardless of its sourcing or lack thereof, in the service of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been kiboshed, and albums are now independently notable only if they can be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about the album. But four of these five articles are completely unreferenced, and one is referenced solely to a single unreliable source directory listing that isn't support for notability.
It also warrants note that these were all briefly redirected to the band a year and a half ago for lack of independent sourcing, but that was reverted within 24 hours with no actual explanation provided of what the problem with redirecting them was, and they've continued to stand as unreferenced articles ever since, without ever having a whit of GNG-worthy sourcing added to any of them. Bearcat (talk) 13:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I was the one who reverted some redirections, and I don't really recall why, but when I look into it now, I see that the editor who made the redirects was a problem editor who became indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 14:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect Human Griefman to the band, the others fail WP:NALBUM, so delete them all for having generic titles. If a user is able to put Aion in brackets to disambiguate, they are also able to search directly for Aion. Nothing in the page history worth preserving, as the track lists are found on external websites too. Geschichte (talk) 05:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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