Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/North Korea

WP:DELSORT/North Korea

This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to North Korea. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.

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Lim Zoong-sun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 North Korean World Cup Squad. Simione001 (talk) 22:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Yung-kil

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 North Korean World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nomination. Lâm (talk) 05:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 20:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Yu-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep - The player is clearly notable. There are some significant coverage about him, such as this article from Choson Sinbo or this article from SPOTV. The player also finished as the top scorer of of the 2017 AFC Cup, which is the equivalent of UEFA Europa League in Asia.:Lâm (talk) 07:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I'm not sure whether these would satisfy WP:GNG to be honest. The first article is very brief and doesn't talk about the individual in any great detail. The second has two sentences about him having x number goals in the North Korean league.
Simione001 (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My bad for the second source, I agree that the coverage about the player is too brief. However the first source from Choson Sinbo has a paywall, who always does very detailed coverage about North Korean players. Since there is minimal source for WP:V regarding this player, I think it's enough to establish notability since it's extremely difficult to find numerous coverages for North Korean players. Furthermore, the fact that he played in the 2019 AFC Asian Cup and winning the top scorer award in the AFC Cup makes him valid to pass WP:SPORTSPERSON. Lâm (talk) 08:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep I believe there maybe some content there, but I really struggle to understand sources. But there appears there maybe one or two notable aspects about him that can pass WP:BASIC, my vote is a very weak keep know. Govvy (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 19:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drafify - to give Thplam2004 the chance to improve the sourcing/article. Giant Snowman 19:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Seung-il (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nomination. There are corresponding articles in 13 languages, but none of them provide any significant coverage of him, especially the Korean Wikipedia which would help otherwise. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Simione001: You've nominated well over 150 historic North Korean footballers for deletion and seem to near-exclusively target them – where do you do your WP:BEFORE searches for them? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They've obviously been going to North Korea and searching through newspaper archives. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 and @WikiOriginal-9: Simone not only nominated sportspeople articles from North Korea, but I saw they've recently nominated those from other Asian countries such as Middle East (e.g. Husam Hourani). If both of you want to know what happened some time ago, read Jogourney and Spiderone's replies to Simone's talk page titled "AfDs".

My WP:BEFORE mostly revolves around news media on the article's language as well as Google search. If the source is not in English or my native language (Indonesian), I use Google Translate to see whether or not it contains significant coverage... or the fact that the person participates in event (e.g. Club debut). I can assume Simone just look that such articles fail WP:GNG in their own appearances without searching on Google or news media.

For countries that don't use Latin alphabet, finding significant information about something to add on Wikipedia might be certainly difficult. This is a problem for North Korea-related sportspeople articles since it doesn't have any trusted news media. From my editing experience, I see the exact same calibre format/reference as North Korea with, say, Slovakia-related articles, since most news coverage are paywalled. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can assume Simone just look that such articles fail WP:GNG in their own appearances without searching on Google or news media. – so, basically, there's no BEFORE at all for these nominations... (and I get that it's absurdly difficult to find North Korean newspaper sources, but I'd think that something should be done before trying to delete well over half of the footballers in a nation's history...) BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid just Googling isn't good enough sometimes, especially for a pre-internet topic like this. Even for a topic from 2010 or so, Googling may not be good enough. It doesn't take too long for some links to go dead on the internet. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can an editor provide a link to the proposed Redirect target article? Thanks.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here you are - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#North_Korea Simione001 (talk) 04:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simione001: You can answer that, but not what your BEFORE search encompasses? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yang Song-guk

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw the film The Game of Their Lives and it has sigcov on him. I kept a notebook with the content discussing him that I'll have to find. I believe one scene had a player saying something like 'here's [North Korean] newspaper headlines I kept on all of our players' – so it's clear that the players (especially the significant ones like Yang) had sigcov. Let me draftify and I'll turn it into something good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per above. Just realized from this that documentaries can count as sigcov, thanks! May be able to write some articles based on subjects covered in documentaries. seefooddiet (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - played at the World Cup, Olympics, and managed the national team?! Clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Due to the lack of sources, the tendency is for it to be deleted, but in fact this seems to be one of the most relevant players in North Korea. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Please provide a review of sources, if they don't provide notability, then perhaps draftification is the more realistic closure.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 00:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There's some coverage on page 18 of this North Korean book [1] and in this book [2]. Is that enough for sigcov? Should be notable as the captain of the squad. Oaktree b (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - "Some coverage" is now routine match coverage in a book jam packed with lies from a country with a wholly unreliable media. The other book is just a sentence. Dratify shouldn't be an option as it is unlikely sigcov will emerge in the future. Dougal18 (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The film I mentioned above contains significant coverage (as well as a scene that went something like: "Every North Korean from his generation recognizes his face. Every younger North Korean recognizes the name 'Yang Song Guk, hero of the eighth World Cup'"). In addition, there's also another scene with a player showing a book full of newspaper clippings for the players from the Cup – so its clear they were well-covered (and the suggestion that everything from North Korean is wholly unusable is ridiculous – it should be used with caution, yes, but not outright banned). BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]