Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZWCAD

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep this article after the new sources have been found. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This software page does not comply with WP:PRODUCT. It has only routine not sustained coverage in reliable independent secondary sources. Old-AgedKid (talk) 12:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Engineering, Software, and China. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Xu, Shiqi 徐诗琪 (2020-05-28). Lin, Teng 林腾 (ed.). "【独家】租来的技术却称自主产权？中望软件的核心技术之谜" [Exclusive: Rented Technology Claimed as Proprietary? The Mystery Behind ZWSOFT's Core Technology]. Jiemian News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-06. Retrieved 2024-09-06.

     The article notes from Google Translate: "Based on the prospectus, Jiemian News conducted an in-depth investigation and found that ZWCAD is actually a product developed based on a third-party kernel, and the so-called "completely independent property rights" is out of the question. The reason is that ZWCAD is not only a member of these international technology agreements mentioned in the prospectus, but its core technology comes from these two international organizations called ODA and ITC. ... Therefore, ZWCAD's software can be said to be based on the core of the ODA organization and an improved product of the IntelliCAD platform software of the ITC organization. ... In 2014, Autodesk, the parent company that developed the AutoCAD software, sued ZWCAD in the Netherlands and the United States, claiming that "AutoCAD source code was stolen and improperly used in the development of ZWCAD+.""

  2. van der Velden, Ruud (2014-12-23). "Dutch judge orders disclosure of source code in China". Journal of Intellectual Property Law & Practice. Vol. 10, no. 2. pp. 83–85. doi:10.1093/jiplp/jpu227.

     The article notes from Google Translate: "In 2002, the Chinese company ZWSoft started to bring CAD programs on the market under the name ZWCAD. ZWSoft continued to develop the ZWCAD program and brought several different versions on the market over the years. In 2012, ZWSoft brought a new CAD program on the market, ZWCAD+. When introducing this program, ZWSoft indicated that ZWCADþ would be fundamentally different from ZWCAD and that it would have developed it ‘from the ground up’. ZWCAD+ could be purchased in the Netherlands through ZWSoft’s website. Autodesk took the view that ZWCAD+ was not developed ‘from the ground up’, but instead was based on the source code of Autodesk’s AutoCAD 2008 program, and that ZWSoft infringed Autodesk’s copyrights and violated its trade secrets. ... Autodesk initiated preliminary relief proceedings before the Provisions Judge of the District Court of The Hague claiming inter alia an injunction and an order for a copy of the source code of ZWCAD+ to be provided to a custodian in the Netherlands."

  3. Sava, Alexandra (2018-12-13). "ZWCAD Viewer". Softpedia. Archived from the original on 2024-09-06. Retrieved 2024-09-06.

     The review notes: "ZWCAD Viewer is an application designed to help you open and analyze or make measurements on plot drawings that you have created using various CAD software solutions. The program comes with a fresh and intuitive interface, so it is unlikely that you can have any issues loading or previewing the plots. While you can preview 2D and 3D models, the application is compatible with only a few file formats, namely DWG, DWF and DWT from versions R12 to 2013. ... In the eventuality that you are looking for a straightforward and intuitive utility that enables you to open most CAD-generated drawings and examine them minutely, then perhaps ZWCAD Viewer might come in handy."

  4. Sava, Alexandra (2023-08-03). "ZWCAD". Softpedia. Archived from the original on 2024-09-06. Retrieved 2024-09-06.

     The review notes: "To sum it up, ZWCAD+ is a comprehensive software solution for your architectural needs and it can provide you with a large variety of tools. You should be aware that due to its nature, this program packs several technical functions that can be difficult to understand if you do not meet certain CAD skill requirements."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow ZWCAD to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 10:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  thank you, great job! Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: The sources given are not significant coverage, rather, they all sound like promotional or passing coverage. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jiemian News is a source critical of ZWCAD that says, "Based on the prospectus, Jiemian News conducted an in-depth investigation and found that ZWCAD is actually a product developed based on a third-party kernel, and the so-called "completely independent property rights" is out of the question." The Journal of Intellectual Property Law & Practice article discusses Autodesk's claim in a lawsuit that ZWCAD+ was based on Autodesk's source code. These sources provide significant coverage critical of ZWCAD. Softpedia provides several detailed reviews of the product that meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Product reviews. Cunard (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cunard. The sources presented don't seem promotional or passing from my look at them. The copyright dispute as well is interesting. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cunard. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd like to suggest Keep-voters avoid repeating "per someone" as it doesn't help the discussion. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Old-AgedKid How so? You'd rather we just copy-paste the unrebutted sources that CUnard has provided? Aaron Liu (talk) 11:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 17:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The sources given by Cunard look usable and seem to have WP:SIGCOV to me. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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