Talk:Q395

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Autodescription — mathematics (Q395)

description: field of study
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Why is this a class?

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What does "a mathematics" even mean? Have you seen a mathematics? I haven't. Mathematics is a field of study, not a type of thing. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 13:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to change math from "natural science" to "formal science", but now I'm thinking about what you mentioned. I came here from statistics (Q12483), which is a subclass of mathematics (Q395). It feels both wright and wrong to say that. I'll have to think about this.
Maybe it's better to think of this like "Field of mathematics", which is colloquially just summariszed to "math".
I'll put a pin in that for now. Thanks! TimBorgNetzWerk (talk) 12:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an ontological choice, there may not be a right or wrong answer. A discipline may be viewed as a science, a collection of knowledege, or as a practice, the practice of studying those object and formalizing them.
Viewed as the first point of view, probability are a subclass of maths in the sense that it concerns more specific objects. It’s also true as a practice, as doing probability is also doing maths, a more specific activity.
We might want to say
⟨ maths ⟩ is the study of (P2578) View with SQID ⟨ formal objects ⟩
(is the study of). Or if we take the enwiki article « Mathematics is an area of knowledge », in that sense we might argue that knowlegde about numbers is a kind of knowlegde, a subclass then. Maths would be a subclass of knowlegde, number theory a subclass of maths. Its instances would be facts about numbers, maybe. author  TomT0m / talk page 13:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]