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Les Essais by Michel de Montaigne
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I bought this gargantuan book seven years ago with the firm intention of reading its 1350 pages someday. I suspect I didn't fully believe I ever would but I have a great capacity for hope.

Until last year, the book lay unopened, though not entirely pristine, because in my ongoing hope, I'd placed it on a shelf underneath a coffee-table where I wouldn't forget about it, and eventually a glass of wine was spilled on the table drenching the book underneath so that now the edges of all its pages are wine tinged. That was a fitting baptism because there was a vineyard attached to Michel de Montaigne's chateau, and wine is still produced there today, five hundred years after Montaigne's time. One of the wines the present day owners make is called 'Les Essais'.



Not that Montaigne talks about wine very often in the course of the essays because wine has always been a matter of course in France—it's simply what you drink with your food on a daily basis. But still it's interesting to note that in the 107 essays, wine does get mentioned 107 times. Some of those references are in the Latin and Greek quotes which Montaigne liked to sprinkle liberally throughout the essays, so not only do we hear a little about the habits of wine drinking in his own time but we also hear about wine-drinking among the Greeks going back to the time of Homer and Plato (Plato recommends copious wine drinking once you reach the age of forty, by the way). That was a time when Chian wine was highly prized, according to the Greek writer Plutarch, whom Montaigne references frequently. One of the Plutarch stories he relays to us is about Diogenes, who, when asked what kind of wine he liked, said, 'Someone else's!'
Montaigne also quotes Romans writers such as Horace, Ovid and Pliny on many matters, but on wine drinking too. Some of those quotes talk of the much prized Falernian wine, a white wine from the slopes of Mount Falernus south of Rome which must have been very high in alcohol because apparently you could set a match to it!
Montaigne seems to have read Erasmus on wine drinking too, and in line with what Erasmus recommended, he drank a 'moderate' amount a day in his prime (that amount would be the equivalent of a litre, or one and a half pints today). Later, when Montaigne was in poor health (he suffered from kidney stones in his fifties and sixties) he watered his wine, but he also put wine in his water—he refused to drink one without the other, maintaining that wine-drinking is one of the last pleasures left in older age. He talks about the seat of bodily pleasures changing throughout his life, moving from his feet when he was a child running about all day, to his loins when he was a young adult (a time he remembers very fondly), to settling in his gullet in middle age when he'd learned to better savor what he ate and drank.
He had a favorite drinking glass too, a small one, because he liked to be able to empty it completely before topping it up. And he rejected completely the idea of drinking wine out of any receptacle that wasn't clear—he says he drank with his eyes as much as with his tastebuds. I identify with him on many of those practices—except drinking a litre a day or watering my wine. I must be like the Germanic peoples whom Montaigne says would never be caught mixing water with wine—though he also claims they gulped it down as if it were water, but that they were all the healthier for it.
He mentions too that the people in his part of France used wine as a medicine. They heated it and mixed it with herbs and spices to make a kind of mulled wine which was often a successful remedy. Generally though, he hadn't much time for medical remedies, especially not the sort that doctors of his day recommended—such as fasting and purging. He seems to have had a great fear of doctors and would rather avoid them. He relies instead on his own experience of what works for him and his body, and notes that eating roast lamb always nourishes him and drinking wine always warms him. They are two of my favourite things!

At the beginning of this review you might have wondered why it took me so long to open this wine-stained book that had lain on the shelf for six or seven years. A big part of it was fear. Fear of suffering through a mountain of very long and possibly boring essays—but as Montaigne says on the subject of suffering, the fear of it is sometimes the worst part. I can truly agree with him now because I didn't suffer nearly as much as I feared, and really hardly at all. Admittedly, that was partly due to the great group of friends who incited me to finally open the book in 2023. I'd posted a review years ago of Sarah Bakewell's How to Live: A Life of Montaigne in which I'd admitted abandoning her book because I thought I'd much rather read the man himself (that must have been around the time I bought this book). So last year when someone pulled that old review out of the archives, I quickly found myself with a group of friends eager to take me at my word and to keep me company while reading Montaigne. My good friend Kalliope created a group complete with separate discussion threads for the many essays—57 in Book I, 37 in Book II, and 13 in Book III—so that was a lot of discussion threads. Thanks again, Kalliope.

The members of the group filled those discussion threads with a mountain of observations over the course of our Montaigne year (which had 16 months as it turned out), and I only have to look back at the comments to get an instant reminder of all our impressions—though if I tried to extract my own main impressions out of all of that, I'd become so bogged down that this review would never see the light of a GR day! And if I've learned anything from Montaigne it's to not get too side-tracked in a piece of writing that you forget the intention you started out with (he often almost did). So I'm going to finish this review by adding only a few non-wine-related highlights that have stuck in my mind.

As someone who often talks about herself in the course of writing book reviews (for better or worse), I noted with satisfaction that Montaigne recognised that he was going against the grain of his times by devoting a book of essays entirely to his own opinions about his own self and about his own life (the focus on himself as subject is more predominant in the later essays than in the earlier ones). It seems he took seriously the adage about the unexamined life not being worth living, and so he set about examining his own life in great detail, the bad as well as the good, in order to know how to completely enjoy and appreciate being alive, savoir jouir de son être.

I really related to that 'savoir être' idea, how to be happy in your own self. I also liked that he wanted to examine everything about himself that he himself was aware of, whether good or bad, and come to terms with it all. He admits, for instance, that he prefers spending time in his tower library surrounded by his books and his writings, and feels no guilt about neglecting the work that went with being the Seigneur of a large chateau and a vast estate—or about not knowing the first thing about wine-making or farming.
And when he was appointed Mayor of neighbouring Bordeaux, he was quite happy to do no more than the minimum required to keep the post functioning, leaving the task of improving the position—and the glory that might go with that—to his successor.
Next to sitting quietly with his books, he liked best to travel, spending months at a time away from home—not worrying about the wife and daughter he had left behind (they are rarely mentioned in his essays (which might be seen as discretion—or not)).
His travels took him across France and Italy, and he usually journeyed on horseback spending eight or nine hours a day in the saddle, something he loved to do even up to a few years before he died (he'd had military experiences on and off throughout his life which might explain his ease on horseback).
He mentions too that his idea of a good death would be to die while traveling in some strange place where no one would cry over him, preferably Venice—perhaps because he had a bad attack of kidney stones while visiting that city and must have thought he was facing certain death there.
He also says he would not have minded facing death on a battlefield because Death itself was not something he feared, only the prolonged pain of dying from an illness.
He reminds us that death happens, not because we may be sick, but because we are alive, so we should value life while we have it and see death as the inevitable end-part of life. Tu ne meurs pas parce que tu es malade, tu meurs parce que tu es vivant. In spite of all those references to death, he says that we shouldn't waste too much living time thinking about dying!

He didn't believe in any afterlife that could be imagined by our mortal minds—the two things were irreconcilable to him. In that, he was probably unlike his Catholic contemporaries but in other respects he seemed to keep to the Church of Rome's teachings, at least publicly. He lived during a time in France when many turned away from Rome and embraced Protestantism, which resulted in the sixteenth-century Religious Wars which raged in France for most of his lifetime. He was no theologian however and was content to leave theological matters to the Doctors of Theology at the Sorbonne University in Paris. In one of the final essays, he talks of the fine wines those theologians were famous for quaffing, and which he calls 'vin théologal et sorbonnique'. When I read that line, I smiled because I remembered that Montaigne's contemporary, François Rabelais, also mentioned that famous 'vin théologal et sorbonnique' in his Gargantua books which, incidentally, begin and end with his characters quaffing wine, or to say it in Rebalais style, en train de chopiner le vin.

So I think I'll do the same with this wine-themed review and finish by saying that during the sixteen months I spent reading Montaigne's essays, and sipping some good wine, j'ai chopiné du 'vin philosophal et montaignique'!





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Reading Progress

March 12, 2023 – Shelved
April, 2023 – Started Reading
April 15, 2023 –
page 15
1.09% "From Essay 1: Certes c'est un sujet extraordinairement vain, divers et ondoyant que l'homme. Il est malaisé de fonder sur lui un jugement constant et uniform.
Man is indeed an object miraculously vain, various and wavering. It is difficult to found a judgement on him which is steady and uniform.

(Translation by M. A. Screech for the Penguin Classics edition of the essays)"
April 30, 2023 –
page 40
2.91% "J'ai vu plusieurs de mon temps convaincus par leur conscience qu'ils retenaient des biens appartenant à autrui se disposer à donner satisfaction par leur testament.Ils ne font rien qui vaille ni en prenant un délai pour une chose si pressente ni en voulant réparer un tort avec si peu de regret.Et plus le paiement est pénible plus la satisfaction qu'ils donnent est juste. La pénitence demande que l'on porte un fardeau"
May 22, 2023 –
page 62
4.51% "There is an old Greek saying that men are tormented not by things themselves but by what they think about them. If that assertion could be proved to be always true everywhere it would be an important point gained for the comforting of our wretched human condition. For if ills can only enter us through our judgement it would seem to be in our power either to despise them or to deflect them towards the good"
June 20, 2023 –
page 127
9.23% "Quoi qu’il en soit…la nature pendant ce temps ira son train, elle qui n'aurait fait qu'une chose raisonnable et juste quand elle aurait doué de quelque privilege particulier ce membre, auteur du seul ouvrage immortel chez des mortels. Pour ce motif Socrate considère que c'est une action divine que la génération et que l'amour est un désir d'immortalité et un génie immortel lui-même.
Beau discours;-)"
July 9, 2023 –
page 158
11.48% "Il ne sert à rien d'employer des peuples étrangers pour sa garde et d'être toujours entouré d'une haie d'hommes armés ; quiconque ne fera aucun cas de sa [propre] vie se rendra toujours maître de celle d'autrui. Et puis ce soupçon continuel du prince qui lui fait craindre tout le monde doit être pour lui un prodigieux tourment."
July 13, 2023 –
page 181
13.15% "Car se sont ici aussi mes sentiments et mes opinions; je les donne pour ce que je crois, non pour ce qui est à croire. Je ne vise ici qu'à me laisser voir tel que je suis, moi qui serai peut-être différent demain, si de nouvelles leçons me changent. Je n'ai point l'autorité [suffisant] pour être cru ni ne le désire, me sentant trop mal instruit pour instruire autrui.
Bravo, Michel!"
July 14, 2023 –
page 186
13.52% "La vérité et la raison sont communes à chacun et n'appartiennent plus à celui qui les a dites la première fois qu'à celui qui les dits après. Ce n'est pas plus selon Platon que selon moi puisque lui et moi le comprenons et le voyons de la même façon.
[Truth and reason are common to all: they no more belong to the man who first put them into words than to him who last did so.…]
"
July 30, 2023 –
page 233
16.93% "Dans l'amitié dont je parle (avec Etienne de la Boétie), elles (nos âmes) s'unissent et se fondent l'une en l'autre dans une union si totale qu'elles effacent la couture qui les a jointes et ne la retrouvent plus. Si l'on me demande avec insistence de dire pourquoi je l'aimais, je sens que cela ne peut s'exprimer qu'en répondant: Parce que c'était lui, parce que c'était moi."
September 5, 2023 –
page 294
21.37% "Ratio et prundentia curas, non locus effusi late maris arbiter, aufert (Horace). C'est la raison et la sagesse qui dissipent soucis et non les lieux d'où l'on découvre une vaste étendue de mer. [it is reason and wisdom which take away cares, not places affording wide views over the sea]
Not sure I fully agree with H and M.
Looking at the wide expanse of the sea always reminds me how little my temporary cares matter."
September 12, 2023 –
page 323
23.47% "Si c'est un homme intelligent et bien doué par la nature, la royauté ajoute peu à son bonheur.
Si ventri bene, si lateri est pedibusque tuis, nil
Divitiae poterunt regales addere majus. Horace
[Si vous avez bon estomac, bons poumons et bon pied, les richesses des rois ne pourront rien ajouter à votre bonheur.]
(If your stomach, lungs and feet are all right, then a king’s treasure can offer you little more)"
November 9, 2023 –
page 404
29.36% "Tantôt c'est le corps qui cède le premier à la vieillesse, parfois c'est l'âme; et j'en ai vu beaucoup qui ont eu le cerveau affaibli avant l'estomac et les jambes; et parce que c'est une maladie peu sensible à celui qui en est atteint, elle est d'autant plus dangereuse. Pour cette fois, je me plains des lois non parce qu'elles nous laissent trop tard au travail mais parce qu'elles nous y emploient trop tard."
December 6, 2023 –
page 465
33.79% "chacun est pour soi-même un tres bon sujet d'étude pourvu qu’il ait la capacité de s’épier de près...C’est une entreprise épineuse de suivre une allure si vagabonde que celle de notre esprit: de pénétrer les profondeurs opaques de ses replis interne...Veut-on que que je témoigne de moi par des actes et non pas seulement par des paroles? Je dépeins mes pensées, sujet informe, qui ne peut se manifester par des actes."
January 13, 2024 –
page 555
40.33% "Notre peau est pourvue, aussi suffisamment que la leur [les animaux], de solidité pour résister aux injures du temps: témoin tant de nations qui n'ont encore fait aucun essai de l'usage des vêtements. Nos ancêtre gaulois n'était guère vêtus; les Irlandais, nos voisins, ne le sont pas davantage sous un ciel très froid. (Our ancient Gauls wore hardly any clothes: nor do the Irish, our neighbours, under a sky so cold:-)"
January 14, 2024 –
page 577
41.93% "Quod futuit Glaphyram Antonius, hanc mihi poenam Fulvia constituit, se quoque uti futuam. Fulviam ego ut futuam? Quid, si me Manius oret paedicem, facial? Non puto, si sapiam aut futue, aut pugnemus, ait. Quid, si mihi vita carior est ipsa mentula? Signa canant. (Martial about Augustus)
Parce qu'Antoine a fait l'amour à Glaphyria, Fulvia m'impose comme punition de lui faire aussi l'amour. Moi, que je prenne Fulvia?……"
July 31, 2024 – Finished Reading

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switterbug (Betsey) Gorgeous review and pictures!


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Fionnuala Thanks for reading through all this, Betsy:-)


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Magdelanye love this, but i also did love sarah Bakewell who conjures well


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Jeroen Vandenbossche Loved it! I have been reading “Les Essais” on and off for the past 3 years or so and I think I will never really come to terms with it. I think I might just go upstairs and read a few pages right now. Have a wonderful evening!


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Cheryl So I'm reading this while drinking wine and wondering why I am drinking out of a wine glass that is not a clear receptacle, even if I chose it for the colors because how else do you see the wine hug the glass with a good swirl? Thank you for this beautiful review that reminds me to revisit Montaigne. It has been years, but I remember being fascinated by his structure of the literary essay. I must say, I love him even more for your note on how he prioritized his preference for reading and writing on the job. Splendid review!


message 6: by Teresa (new)

Teresa Wonderful essay of your own. Fionnuala. I so wanted to join in on this group read, but I found myself with no time for it. But at least now I have the book downloaded to my e-reader, even if it takes me seven years (or more) to get to it.


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Candi It's difficult to resist the allure of your review and the beckoning of a glass of wine after I've finished reading it, Fionnuala :) No water for me either!


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Charles A quick look at the page count sent me scampering, but I have no doubt that there are treasures to plunder in there for the patient and the brave, not to mention the wine aficionado. What a fantastic review, Fionnuala. I smiled at the man’s fussing about clear receptacles — poor Montaigne, les chopines de verre devaient être rares, à l’époque — and marveled at his differing views with the Church, which the latter must have just loved, coming from a public figure. I can’t say I’m not curious about these essays; I can’t picture when exactly might be the right time for me to delve into such a collection, but you may have planted a seed, there.


message 9: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Being happy in one's own self is a challenge to many. And I think coming to terms with all of one's bits and pieces is part of a life's journey. It sounds like Montaigne was up to the challenge.

Has he inspired you to do your own self-examination?
He did inspire you to write this wonderful essay and include some gorgeous photos. And for that I thank him. 🍷


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Marc Fabulous essay, euh, review, Fionnuala!


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Nick Grammos Sober thoughts on dying, Fi.

One thing I liked about MM was his way of introducing the ideas of others long past as teasers or openers to his essays. It reminds us all that many have had thoughts before us, no one is alone that they have not shared an idea. We all need to read more to remember that the world of ideas didn't begin when we last had one.

And I feel more comforted that the personal in a book review has a long history in the essay.


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Ulysse May I suggest a title for your essay? Du vin. 🍷 Cheers to you Fionnuala for finishing this Gargantuan book and proving to us once again that a good book is like a fine wine, timing is everything, and also that good prose flows.


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Fionnuala Magdelanye wrote: "love this, but i also did love sarah Bakewell who conjures well"

Thanks for reading my ramblings, Magdelanye. And I may go back and read Sarah Bakewell now. I'm kind of missing Montaigne…


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Fionnuala Jeroen wrote: "Loved it! I have been reading “Les Essais” on and off for the past 3 years or so and I think I will never really come to terms with it. I think I might just go upstairs and read a few pages right now..."

I'm glad I prompted you to pass a few pages in Montaigne's company, Jeroen. I think I can say that I enjoyed his company a lot—once I got over the fact that he didn't have a lot of time for the opinions of women!


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Katia N In vino veritas, dear Fionnuala:-). The more I think about time, the more I come to the concconclusion that for many of us, and maybe even for Montaigne, time is measured in books, almost spatially. Like you said it was a huge volume which was getting ripened on your table until you’ve finally get it opened properly; then it took 16 months. I cannot express it very well, but when I look at my book shelves I see those colourful three dimensional objects not like the stuff of space, but like bricks of time… Not sure where I am going with this but I hope you will understand. And maybe Montaigne would as well.

As far as the old man goes, thank you for inviting me to the group. Even if I was not a constant visible presence, I enjoyed the discussions. Also I enjoyed his essays as soon as stopped expecting the coherence of his arguments and relaxed into the depth of his references. But I am still only half way through the book.


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Jonathan O'Neill Riveting from the very first paragraph, which seem to be the story of my life, to the final image of a dream library!
I would love to read these one day and it'd be great to be able to peruse your group's discussion threads when the time comes!
Oh, and thank you, Plato, for giving me something to look forward to in my 40s! 😂
Great review, Fi! 16 months is a long time to have a book a part of your life. I'm sure this one will be missed! :)


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Mark Porton Hey Fi, please promise me you'll never get rid of that book. Books with stains and smears are the best - they have history, and this one sounds like it will evoke lots of great memories for you.

1350 pages, even with wine, what a slog. But if it's good enough, and if you pace yourself well enough (like you did) - it sounds perfect. I love this review.

The quotes were brilliant, that one about the bloke's favourite wine being "someone else's" - bahahaha. Brilliant. Isn't wine intimately woven into the fabric of human history? It really is. The Romans used to water their wine down too, something unimaginable in my book. Not sure if they wined down their water though.

I read a 160 page or so introduction to Montaigne several years ago, and that was excellent. He's a fascinating man, and I'd love to get back to reading some of his essays - but this may be a step too far me - there are shorter books around. Great stuff Fi :))


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Jan-Maat I admire your link to your earlier Renaissance French reading project of Gargantua and Pantagruel! You make the distance between Bordeaux and Montpellier seem rather small


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Emmkay I really enjoyed reading this, Fionnuala! It sounds like reading these essays with a coterie of friends greatly enhanced your experience.


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Fionnuala Cheryl wrote: "So I'm reading this while drinking wine and wondering why I am drinking out of a wine glass that is not a clear receptacle, even if I chose it for the colors because how else do you see the wine hug the glass with a good swirl? Thank you for this beautiful review that reminds me to revisit Montaigne...I must say, I love him even more for your note on how he prioritized his preference for reading and writing...."

The perfect conditions for reading this review, Cheryl! Santé!
I'm glad that you too see a kindred spirit in someone who prioritizes reading and writing over everything else—and doesn't make any apologies about doing that. That's what I liked most, that he goes his own way and makes apologies to know one for it! He even lets his essays go their own way at times and only reverts back to the main topic at the very end!


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Jennifer Welsh Ha, yes—fear is often worse than just being in the middle of the action, isn’t it (although 1350 is daunting!). Will a sip of wine at each chapter become part of your reading routine now, Fionnuala?


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Fionnuala Teresa wrote: "Wonderful essay of your own. Fionnuala. I so wanted to join in on this group read, but I found myself with no time for it. But at least now I have the book downloaded to my e-reader, even if it takes me seven years (or more) to get to it..."

It would have been great to have your perspective along the way, Teresa, but I understand that it needed a huge quantity of time. I often fell behind the others myself and had to speed read to catch up!
If you find that you just can't face reading the whole thing, skip to the last book which only has thirteen essays and which was written closer to the end of his life. Those essays have far fewer quotes and paraphrases from Latin authors in them and much more of his own thoughts and realisations.


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Fionnuala Candi wrote: "It's difficult to resist the allure of your review and the beckoning of a glass of wine after I've finished reading it, Fionnuala :) No water for me either!"

Glad you didn't resist the allure of either, Candi—and let's leave watering our wine until we are a lot lot older;-)


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Fionnuala Charles wrote: "...poor Montaigne, les chopines de verre devaient être rares, à l’époque — and marveled at his differing views with the Church, which the latter must have just loved, coming from a public figure. I can’t say I’m not curious about these essays; I can’t picture when exactly might be the right time for me to delve into such a collection, but you may have planted a seed, there."

Yes, I figured drinking glasses made of actual glass must have been rare enough in country houses at that time when pewter mugs and tankards would have been more common and more practical, Charles.
About his relationship to the teachings of the Church of Rome, I felt he was always stepping carefully, making sure that he didn't say anything publicly that might get him in trouble, and sometimes drawing 'God' into his arguments almost as if it were an afterthought. His mother's family were originally from Spain and may have been Jewish, and there must have been stories of the inquisition floating around when he was a child—it ended around the time he was born—1533.


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Daniel Shindler Your unique perspectives always intrigue me, Fionnuala. I was unable to commit the time to the project but followed the comment thread diligently.I enjoyed the comments very much, although sometimes I felt like a voyeur.🤦🏻


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Jonfaith Loved your review, my words themselves tainted in shameful admiration at having abandoned the quest.


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Fionnuala Lisa wrote: "Being happy in one's own self is a challenge to many. And I think coming to terms with all of one's bits and pieces is part of a life's journey. It sounds like Montaigne was up to the challenge.
Has he inspired you to do your own self-examination?..."


I'm lucky in that I've never found it a challenge to be happy in myself, Lisa, but I liked that Montaigne reminded me that we should never apologize to anyone for doing our own thing even though it may not be how our neighbors conduct their affairs. Sometimes I doubt my idiosyncratic approach to things so confirmation that it's ok to be idiosyncratic is good to find:-)


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Fionnuala Marc wrote: "Fabulous essay, euh, review, Fionnuala!"

Thanks, Mark:-)


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Ilse Having thrown the towel after the 6th or 7th essay simply because of the off-putting weight of the bulky volume I tried to read, your high-spirited write-up encourages me to venture into a next attempt, Fionnuala - but this time I'll take care to accompany the reading with a glass of wine, even if it might take me years that way :). Congratulations with rounding this superb adventure with your friends - I hope the comment thread will still be there once I'll get back to the essays.


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Fionnuala Nick wrote: "...One thing I liked about MM was his way of introducing the ideas of others long past as teasers or openers to his essays. It reminds us all that many have had thoughts before us, no one is alone that they have not shared an idea. We all need to read more to remember that the world of ideas didn't begin when we last had one.
And I feel more comforted that the personal in a book review has a long history in the essay.."


Great comment, Nick, and thanks for all your input into the discussions as we went along—and for your support of the personal in book reviews:-)
And yes, we do need reminding that everything that strikes us has probably struck many others before us—and reading is the best way of remembering that. I enjoyed all those snippets from writers of long ago whom I'll never read—the block quotes they came in provided relief too on a page otherwise full of dense text!


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Fionnuala Ulysse wrote: "May I suggest a title for your essay? Du vin. 🍷 Cheers to you Fionnuala for finishing this Gargantuan book and proving to us once again that a good book is like a fine wine, timing is everything, and also that good prose flows..."

That's a great idea, Ulysse, especially as in the 107 essays there isn't one with that title (let's pretend we didn't see the one called Sur l'ivrognerie;-) And I tried to follow Montaigne's practice of veering off a little from the main theme but remembering to return to it in the end!
Thanks too for being one of those voices who encouraged me to set up the group last year and for keeping us company a good part of the way. Your comments were always a treat to read!


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J.C. This joyous review should be perforned aloud, Fionnuala! Trust you to find a superb way to explore Montaigne the man! You chose the details that give us the picture of him - he comes across loud and clear and full of vibrancy. I'm glad you remembered his antipathy to doctors - I'd forgotten that! And some of those anecdotes were incredible. We should probably remember the elephants too - not pink ones!
This is an essai worthy of the geat man himself. I'll enjoy reading it all over agaon tomorrow - and thank you for the beautiful pictures too.


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Fionnuala Katia wrote: "..The more I think about time, the more I come to the conclusion that for many of us, and maybe even for Montaigne, time is measured in books, almost spatially. Like you said it was a huge volume which was getting ripened on your table until you’ve finally get it opened properly; then it took 16 months. I cannot express it very well, but when I look at my book shelves I see those colourful three dimensional objects not like the stuff of space, but like bricks of time…"

I love what you've expressed here, Katia, and I'm sure every lifelong reader can relate to it. Yes, our bookshelves are a visual representation of time spent reading. Slim spines stand for a couple of days, fatter ones, a few weeks or a month, and bricks like Montaigne entire years, so that our bookshelves become calendars of our reading lives! When I look at my Nabokov shelf, for instance, I remember that I read all his books during one particular Autumn so that now I associate him with the darkening that comes with October and November days. Virginia Woolf on the other hand I read mostly one Spring and so my memory of her books is tinged with brighter colours.
I associate other authors with particular years, 2013, with Marcel Proust, 2017, with Henry James.
And I often find myself measuring time in books, as in, two books ago, or six books ago.
Montaigne, well, I don't know how I'll even fit his great magnum of a book on my shelves, but in any case, he'll always represent time well spent with good friends!


Left Coast Justin I'm wondering if your reading club ever had the opportunity to spill wine on anybody's books.

Also, for some reason I thought Montaigne and Proust were contemporaries. My ignorance of classical European literature is pretty vast, but with you and Ilse as friends it will slowly be reduced, I think.


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Antigone I am simply going to draw you a bath (that you are permitted to drop as many books as you like into - because I think we're all aware that you're bringing a few). And I will also say, having savored this review, that I am convinced M. Montaigne was completely parched when you set him to rest beneath that coffeetable, and quite thanked his distant God for the quenching you gave him!

Congratulations on this feat, Fionnuala, and for the great kindness you show us in sharing your thoughts on it.


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Nataliya What a lovely review of a wine-tinged book, Fionnuala! 1350 pages and 16 months sounds like a truly gargantuan task, but it seems that it was absolutely worth it. And now I’m trying to not feel ashamed of all the times back in college when wine was drunk out of red plastic cups rather than a lovely clear receptacle.


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Fionnuala Jonathan wrote: "Riveting from the very first paragraph, which seem to be the story of my life, to the final image of a dream library!
I would love to read these one day ..."


All those books you've stashed under coffee tables and side tables and on piles behind the sofa, Jonathan? We are terrible addicts, aren't we! And somehow we do live in the hope of consuming them all in time!
When we moved house some years ago, I ordered built-in bookshelves for the new place. I'd longed for such bookshelves all my younger life and now I have them—and I delight in them every day! They aren't completely unlike Montaigne's....


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Fionnuala Mark wrote: "Hey Fi, please promise me you'll never get rid of that book. Books with stains and smears are the best - they have history, and this one sounds like it will evoke lots of great memories for you. 1350 pages, even with wine, what a slog. But if it's good enough, and if you pace yourself well enough (like you did) - it sounds perfect. I love this review..."

I promise I won't get rid of this book, Mark! I just have to find where to shelve it, somewhere I will see it from time to time and remember the sixteen months spent in Montaigne's company. At the moment it's still lying about with a pencil stuck in it—I may want to quote a line or two yet.
And why not now!
...les lieux et les livres que je revois me rient toujours avec une fraîche nouveauté.
He's saying that when he revisits certain places and books, they welcome him with fresh smiles:-)


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Fionnuala Jan-Maat wrote: "I admire your link to your earlier Renaissance French reading project of Gargantua and Pantagruel! You make the distance between Bordeaux and Montpellier seem rather small"

I found myself frequently wondering if Montaigne had read Rabelais, Jann—but I saw little sign that he might have. The two were very different, especially about Church matters, Rabelais so absolutely and openly irreverent in spite of living most of his life in some religious order or other. And Rabelais seemed to be less moderate in his wine drinking than Montaigne too—if we've to judge by the huge amount of references to wine in his books!
Will I shelve Montaigne near Rabelais? That is the question...


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J.C. Fionnuala wrote: "Mark wrote: "Hey Fi, please promise me you'll never get rid of that book. Books with stains and smears are the best - they have history, and this one sounds like it will evoke lots of great memorie..."
That's a lovely quote, Fionnuala, which I'd quite missed when reading, or had forgotten, which is also likely! Now to revisit the pleasures of your review . . .


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J.C. Fionnuala wrote: "Jan-Maat wrote: "I admire your link to your earlier Renaissance French reading project of Gargantua and Pantagruel! You make the distance between Bordeaux and Montpellier seem rather small"

I foun..."
No, they'd argue!
I just re-read your review. You bring us the whole man, mind and body. Félicitations!


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Fionnuala Emmkay wrote: "I really enjoyed reading this, Fionnuala! It sounds like reading these essays with a coterie of friends greatly enhanced your experience."

Thanks, Emmkay. I'm certain I'd have taken many years to finish Montaigne without friends to spur me on. It's partly the essay form. The earlier ones are short which is great but once you finish each one you leave the book down and need big motivation to pick it up and start another entirely different-themed one. That's the first hurdle.
The second hurdle is the seriously long essays—one has more than two hundred pages! That essay needs friends to keep you going—at least in my case.
Also, my edition has very fine pages with a very small font—quite beautiful in its own way but it takes time to get to the bottom of such a page! When I was traveling I had an ebook on the go—M. A. Screech's English translation of the essays which was the text that several of the group were reading. I noticed that I flew through the pages of that much faster than my paper book but I didn't always like the phrasing Screech used and found myself often going back to see how Montaigne had worded such and such a sentence.
And even so, my Montaigne was not the original edition but one that had been translated into Modern French. At least two of our group members were reading the original unchanged edition from the late 1500s—but even when it came to that edition, there were several publishing dates and some additions and changes in them.
Finishing it is a feat whatever way you look at it!


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Fionnuala Jennifer wrote: "Ha, yes—fear is often worse than just being in the middle of the action, isn’t it (although 1350 is daunting!). Will a sip of wine at each chapter become part of your reading routine now, Fionnuala?"

Become, Jennifer? Become?
I don't understand that word 'become' ;-)


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Fionnuala Daniel wrote: "Your unique perspectives always intrigue me, Fionnuala. I was unable to commit the time to the project but followed the comment thread diligently.I enjoyed the comments very much..."

Thanks for cheering us along from the wings, Daniel. The more I think about it the more impressed I am that we filled all those discussion threads, sometimes overflowing into second and third pages! Not bad for a not very big group!


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Fionnuala Jonfaith wrote: "Loved your review, my words themselves tainted in shameful admiration at having abandoned the quest."

Pink tinged words go perfectly with this review's colour scheme, Jonfaith:-)


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Fionnuala Ilse wrote: "Having thrown the towel after the 6th or 7th essay simply because of the off-putting weight of the bulky volume I tried to read, your high-spirited write-up encourages me to venture into a next attempt, Fionnuala - but this time I'll take care to accompany the reading with a glass of wine, even if it might take me years that way..."

Thanks for keeping us company as long as you did, Ilse. And yes, the size of my book was a serious break on my reading speed too. I had to be sitting comfortably and have it propped up on something—so not easy to read just a page now and a page again. It was a serious undertaking every time! If I hadn't been one of the facilitators of the group, I bet I'd have faded out around the middle of Book II when the Raymond Sebond 200 page essay cropped up. Maybe I did fade out during that essay because I don't remember a thing about it now!


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Fionnuala J.C. wrote: "This joyous review should be perforned aloud, Fionnuala! Trust you to find a superb way to explore Montaigne the man! You chose the details that give us the picture of him - he comes across loud and clear and full of vibrancy. I'm glad you remembered his antipathy to doctors - I'd forgotten that! And some of those anecdotes were incredible. We should probably remember the elephants too - not pink ones!..."

Ah thanks, Jeanne! I'm glad my wine-glass view of him didn't put you off! If we wanted to analyze these essays as they might deserve, it would take us another year—so I chose to take an easier approach and have some fun in the process!
I had a lot of fun in the group with your John Florio translations too!
Thanks for taking the time to add so many of them—considering you were also reading the original French edition.
I was a bit disappointed that the version of Florio's translations I bought myself, called Shakespeare's Montaigne: The Florio Translation of the Essays. had so few of Montaigne's essays in it. But I loved Florio's opening note to The Courteous Reader about his translation. It sounded as if Shakespeare had written it!
Shall I apologize translation? Why, but some hold (as for their freehold) that such conversion is the subversion of universities. God hold with them and withhold them from impeach or empaire. It were an ill turn the turning of books should be the overturning of libraries. Yea, but my old fellow Nolano told me and taught publicly that from translation all science had its offspring...

By the way, what was that about elephants? I do remember one anecdote about an elephant who could pluck out arrows with his trunk...


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Fionnuala Left Coast Justin wrote: "...for some reason I thought Montaigne and Proust were contemporaries. My ignorance of classical European literature is pretty vast.."

You know more than you think about French literature, Justin. You may just have slightly confused two famous names—Michel de Montaigne and Robert de Montesquiou.
Montesquiou was an almost contemporary of Proust but he was an essayist like Montaigne, and his family had a chateau too. It is believed that Proust based one of his characters, the Baron Charlus, on Montesquiou, and that may be why you associate the two. See how much you knew!


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Fionnuala Antigone wrote: "I am simply going to draw you a bath (that you are permitted to drop as many books as you like into - because I think we're all aware that you're bringing a few). And I will also say, having savored this review, that I am convinced M. Montaigne was completely parched when you set him to rest beneath that coffeetable, and quite thanked his distant God for the quenching you gave him!.."

500 years without a drink! I'm sorry for him now myself!
Thanks for running the bath, Antigone—I do love reading in the bath. But I never read Montaigne in the bath, he was far too heavy, and then there were all the margin notes I kept making—though they served little purpose in the end because I hadn't the courage to go through them!
But speaking of books and baths, I did take Montaigne's contemporary, Rabelais, into the bath because his work came in separate paperback books which were small and easy to hold.
One day his fifth book, which was the one that was most focused on wine, fell into the water. He, who never talked of watering wine, would not have been happy!


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J.C. Fionnuala wrote: "J.C. wrote: "This joyous review should be perforned aloud, Fionnuala! Trust you to find a superb way to explore Montaigne the man! You chose the details that give us the picture of him - he comes a..."
Sorry, Fionnuala, I mentioned the elephants before reading that you had almost given up on the Sebond essay! The anecdotes demonstrate elephants as knowledgeable, street-wise and religious (though maybe not all at once!) They had ways of sorting out keepers who didn't feed them properly - dividing their meal into two to show that they knew that half their food was being kept from them, filling another keeper's dinner with ashes to show that they knew their food was mixed with stones - and observing religious ceremonies when washing - at certain times lifting their trunks, and fixing their eyes upon the east, falling into a long meditation - then there was the amorous elephant who fell in love with a woman and would bring her fruit - but then misbehave in the fruit market by putting his trunk down her front to feel her breasts . . .
A wonderful paragraph (Florio's on his translation)! Indeed it sounds as if Shakespeare might have written it!


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