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He Who Drowned the World by Shelley Parker-Chan
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Read 2 times. Last read November 21, 2023 to December 13, 2023.

3.5 stars. This is really a hard book for me to rate, there are parts of it I adore, but also there are parts that got me thinking, wait a sec, that's how the plot gonna go? That is why I refrained from rating it after reading it the first time. But then it became a BR in WBTM so I thought oh great now I have people to bounce ideas with. And so I reread this. I think the second time around, my first gut feeling of "okay, this is a three or three and half star one" proved to be correct. I still loved the parts that I fell in love with, and I still disliked the parts that annoyed me.

First of all, the characters. The book delves deep into its characters' minds - as well as the first one- so if you want something to be more fast paced and not spending too much time reading what people are thinking, maybe this is not a book for you. But, if you enjoy getting immersed, even in the thought process when a character experienced physical stimuli (no, not just sex) and how it affected their personalities, reaction to others, and sometimes even getting an expanded vision of self, then this is your book. I think for many of its POV characters, the author did a great job.

Secondly, plot and character choices. I won't get into much details but for a book that is basically a war of five combatants, you could expect battles, espionage, combat missions, as well as political maneuvers. The later took the lion's share. Which is my favorite part, I think. Wang Baoxiang has been a favorite of mine in this book because his chapter that focuses on palace intrigue are rather riveting. I think it is no wonder some readings became Team Baoxing when they read this book. Madam Zhang is another POV that I enjoyed reading; in palace cdrama you might find characters that look like her, but oftentimes they are painted as one-dimensional villain. Here, the depth of her characterization and remember, the thought process, are almost delicious to read. And then we have the main character, Zhu. I was okay with Zhu in the first book, but in the second book I grew kinda annoyed with her. I think she is one of the worst planner ever, but got lucky due to circumstances and support system. She and Ouyang (who I did like reading about in the first book) were kind of frustrating to me. As for the ending, I definitely wished for another one LOL
One more thing that I forgot to write earlier about is that the book might be better as a trilogy, or the third part (the last part) of the book could be longer, with proper build up and intrigues and more battles. The second part ended with more bang than the ending of the book itself.

Thirdly, the setting. I think it is fantastic effort to retell the founding of a dynasty especially since Chinese history is so vast and complex. I wish there are more books like this, or even translation of older ones, if you will. I can just imagine the sets, the landscape, the cities etc, visually I want this book to be made into an anime like Ooku or Blue Eyed Samurai. (Sorry, I don't have reference on palace/historical donghua). That would be awesome. So yeah, Shelley, if you have offers on adaptation, please do take it ^^

All in all, despite my rating for this part, this is REALLY good duology that I would recommend.
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Reading Progress

November 18, 2022 – Shelved
November 18, 2022 – Shelved as: priority-wishlist
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: fyeahfantasy
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: female-nonbinary-authors
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: 2023-fantasy-horror
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: poc-diaspora-authors
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: netgalley
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: mine-mine-mine
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: lgbtqia
April 15, 2023 – Shelved as: to-read
May 2, 2023 – Started Reading
May 2, 2023 – Shelved as: freebies
May 8, 2023 –
70.0% "grimdark with capital g and d"
May 12, 2023 – Shelved as: dark-matter
May 12, 2023 – Finished Reading
November 21, 2023 – Started Reading
November 21, 2023 – Shelved as: reading-with-friends
December 13, 2023 – Finished Reading

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Jassmine Wow, you are a tough crowd! Looking forward to your review 😊


Silvana Jassmine wrote: "Wow, you are a tough crowd! Looking forward to your review 😊"

It's probably going to take time since I even just rated it now, after a reread LOL so hard to make up my mind about this book!


Jassmine Haha, that's fine, take your time! These two books are also tough for me, it took me a few days to settle on rating for this one too and I'm still not sure about it and I didn't write a review for either yet, so... feel you! Hope I'll be able to write those reviews before re-reading the series though 😂


Alia Too many ridiculous Zhu plans? 🤣


Silvana Yes that's gonna be the title of my review lol


Alia 🤣🤣🤣


Silvana I just realized you both rated it five stars??

Anyway Jass, wrote my review. I almost already forgotten the whole thing as usual.


Jassmine I mean... I agree with you. I guess I was just so engrossed with the things I did love that the others didn't seem so important anymore? I do wish some topics were explored with more care (view spoiler), so it's not like completely pristine 5 rating for me and I understand not rating it on the first read, I definitely could change my mind on a re-read. But there were so many things I adored, so... it just ended in a five-star territory for me. I actually had the same conflicted thoughts about the first book and I ended up giving that one four stars and I think I liked this one a little better... but I might be wrong... I will definitely be re-reading this series so we shall see how it'll hold up!


Silvana Yes, definitely this is a book one need to reread. It is really dense.


message 10: by Alia (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alia We did! hahahaha

I agree in part though, the big difference is that despite Zhu´s silly schemes, I did like her and Ouyang a lot. I also didn't mind that no more action, intrigue or else was developed, I was there for the exploration of characters and was served.

I would also love to see more things developed, but I was quite satisfied with what the book did, so... But I understand where are you coming from. I am glad that you still loved the parts that you loved before in this reread.


Jassmine Alia wrote: " I was there for the exploration of characters and was served."

Seconding this!
I mean, I'm very character-focuses reader, so I just adored the explorations. I think I'm glad this wasn't very action-heavy story...


Silvana If I have to choose, I would prefer having enjoyed zhu's parts (which had all the actions!) than having more action scenes and/or extended part III.


message 13: by Alia (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alia That sure makes a huge difference. I had a soft spot for Zhu and Ma... super squishy soft spot for Ma, btw that is one of the parts I would wish was more developed, Ma as her own character. So that worked better for me.


Silvana Alia wrote: "That sure makes a huge difference. I had a soft spot for Zhu and Ma... super squishy soft spot for Ma, btw that is one of the parts I would wish was more developed, Ma as her own character. So that..."

Oh yes, if the third part is longer, we'll have more Ma's POV :D


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