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Aug 09, 2021
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This is the third Laurent Binet book I've read and he continues to surprise and delight me with his creative approach to telling history-based stories. In the two previous books, HHhH and La Septième Fonction du langage, he looked at episodes in which famous/notorious men, SS Officer Reinhard Heydrich, in 1942, and French author Roland Barthes in 1980, suffered injuries which eventually lead to their deaths. Much of each narrative concerned the time lapse between the injuries and the deaths, a week in Heydrich's case and a month in Barthes's.
In the Heydrich book, Laurent Binet played with the dilemma an author encounters when he wants to tell a story faithfully yet has to invent any details that weren’t set down in the records at the time. In the Barthes book, he moved away from faithfulness to facts and instead played with alternative scenarios, triggered by the Barthes incident, which he then imagined impinging on other real events of the time.
In this third book, Binet goes further into the notion of alternative scenarios. He takes the reader back to Christopher Columbus’s first voyage to the Americas in 1492, and he imagines an alternative outcome which changes the course of world history. In the process, he shakes up the notions that we, at least those of us who hail from Europe, accept without thinking: new world, old world, north, south, east and west, notions which carry specific historical and geographical connotations for Europeans who for centuries have considered themselves at the centre of the 'civilised' world. And the notion of 'civilised' gets the biggest shake-up of all.
As you might expect, many famous names from the 1500s are characters in Binet's alternative history, Emperor Carlos V of Spain, François I of France, Henry VIII of England, Lorenzino de Medici of Florence, and many more including Luther and Erasmus, Thomas More and Pius V.
Renaissance artists such as Titian and Michelangelo also feature, and paintings commemorating the alternative history Binet invents are described in terms which make them resemble existing history paintings very closely—except that the Incan Emperor Atahualpa always has a prominent position among the European kings and queens. I enjoyed that a lot.
I also enjoyed the links to literature. Emperor Atahualpa is a fan of Machiavelli's writings, Michel de Montaigne is a character, and Miguel de Cervantes gets a leading role in the final section. Binet eventually gives Cervantes an alternative life in Central America but not before retelling some of the stories that are told in Don Quixote. The surprising thing in a book where everything is turned upside down and inside out is that those stories are remarkably faithful to the originals. It's hard to improve on Don Quixote!
In the Heydrich book, Laurent Binet played with the dilemma an author encounters when he wants to tell a story faithfully yet has to invent any details that weren’t set down in the records at the time. In the Barthes book, he moved away from faithfulness to facts and instead played with alternative scenarios, triggered by the Barthes incident, which he then imagined impinging on other real events of the time.
In this third book, Binet goes further into the notion of alternative scenarios. He takes the reader back to Christopher Columbus’s first voyage to the Americas in 1492, and he imagines an alternative outcome which changes the course of world history. In the process, he shakes up the notions that we, at least those of us who hail from Europe, accept without thinking: new world, old world, north, south, east and west, notions which carry specific historical and geographical connotations for Europeans who for centuries have considered themselves at the centre of the 'civilised' world. And the notion of 'civilised' gets the biggest shake-up of all.
As you might expect, many famous names from the 1500s are characters in Binet's alternative history, Emperor Carlos V of Spain, François I of France, Henry VIII of England, Lorenzino de Medici of Florence, and many more including Luther and Erasmus, Thomas More and Pius V.
Renaissance artists such as Titian and Michelangelo also feature, and paintings commemorating the alternative history Binet invents are described in terms which make them resemble existing history paintings very closely—except that the Incan Emperor Atahualpa always has a prominent position among the European kings and queens. I enjoyed that a lot.
I also enjoyed the links to literature. Emperor Atahualpa is a fan of Machiavelli's writings, Michel de Montaigne is a character, and Miguel de Cervantes gets a leading role in the final section. Binet eventually gives Cervantes an alternative life in Central America but not before retelling some of the stories that are told in Don Quixote. The surprising thing in a book where everything is turned upside down and inside out is that those stories are remarkably faithful to the originals. It's hard to improve on Don Quixote!
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sounds quite strange, but fun - much more so than the book about Heydrich
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It's funny that the Heydrich book is still my favourite of the three because it's about the process of writing, something I enjoy reading about a lot. This one is certainly lighter than the Heydrich although there is far more death and destruction involved. So yes, 'Civilization' is strange and fun at the same time—but quite a bit longer than the others which some readers might find hard going as Binet writes most of it as if it's a history book, a kind of dry and factual style (on purpose I imagine). Only in the last section about Cervantes does it feel like real fiction.
Fionnuala wrote: "It's funny that the Heydrich book is still my favourite of the three because it's about the process of writing, something I enjoy reading about a lot. This one is certainly lighter than the Heydric..."
oh, it sounds very strange
oh, it sounds very strange
Great review, Fi. I loved the Heydrich book and keep meaning to read the Barthes one. This sounds good too.
Thank you for this review! I haven't heard about this author yet. I'm intrigued -- adding him to my to read list.;)
I see some books which would be wise to read before getting to this one towering up, Fionnuala - am I right assuming it would be good to read Don Quichote first to appreciate Binet's novel more fully? Glad you continue to enjoy Binet so much!
Violet wrote: "Great review, Fi. I loved the Heydrich book and keep meaning to read the Barthes one. This sounds good too."
I think Binet must have had a lot of fun writing this, Violet. He gave himself permission to play with the destinies of kings and princes, and he gave queens leading roles in fifteenth century politics.
But he also allowed himself to take his time building his history—something his editors might not have approved if he wasn't such a celebrated writer.
I think Binet must have had a lot of fun writing this, Violet. He gave himself permission to play with the destinies of kings and princes, and he gave queens leading roles in fifteenth century politics.
But he also allowed himself to take his time building his history—something his editors might not have approved if he wasn't such a celebrated writer.
Irena wrote: "Thank you for this review! I haven't heard about this author yet. I'm intrigued -- adding him to my to read list.;)"
He's a very clever writer, Irena—and you can read him in the original.
He's a very clever writer, Irena—and you can read him in the original.
Ilse wrote: "I see some books which would be wise to read before getting to this one towering up, Fionnuala - am I right assuming it would be good to read Don Quichote first to appreciate Binet's novel more fully..."
You'd definitely get more out of the last section if you'd read Don Quixote first, Ilse, but then again, perhaps reading Binet's book might be the motivation you need to tackle Cervantes. Having met Montaigne in this book caused me to pull out his Essais from my own towering pile and open it up at last. But guess what, on the first page he kind of tells the reader not to waste their precious time reading his book—since it's only and completely about himself, it is too trivial and pointless for others. Dilemma:-)
You'd definitely get more out of the last section if you'd read Don Quixote first, Ilse, but then again, perhaps reading Binet's book might be the motivation you need to tackle Cervantes. Having met Montaigne in this book caused me to pull out his Essais from my own towering pile and open it up at last. But guess what, on the first page he kind of tells the reader not to waste their precious time reading his book—since it's only and completely about himself, it is too trivial and pointless for others. Dilemma:-)
Fionnuala, you mention several aspects that appeal to me. RK read and recommended this novel to me, and it is sitting on a shelf waiting to be read.
I'd like to meet Michel de Montaigne. And I'm sure he would've enjoyed an inversion of European and Christian exceptionalism.
Certainly a book for serious readers! I face some of the same ambivalences in tackling Montaigne. Of course, that doesn't mean he isn't sitting here waiting like a patient brick for his fit in my literary wall. ;-)
TBV (on semi-hiatus) wrote: "Fionnuala, you mention several aspects that appeal to me. RK read and recommended this novel to me, and it is sitting on a shelf waiting to be read."
I can easily imagine how this book would suit you very well, TBV, given your familiarity with a lot of European history. Part of the pleasure for me was following Binet's creative rearranging of so many famous figures's lives and their various marriages and dominions. I look forward to reading your reaction eventually.
I can easily imagine how this book would suit you very well, TBV, given your familiarity with a lot of European history. Part of the pleasure for me was following Binet's creative rearranging of so many famous figures's lives and their various marriages and dominions. I look forward to reading your reaction eventually.
Nick wrote: "I'd like to meet Michel de Montaigne. And I'm sure he would've enjoyed an inversion of European and Christian exceptionalism."
You're right, Nick, Montagne embraces the new regime without difficulty. He's very happy especially with the more tolerant approach to religious affiliation. Everyone is free to follow their own though the Sun God has predominance. We'd do well today to do everything we can to appease the Sun God...
You're right, Nick, Montagne embraces the new regime without difficulty. He's very happy especially with the more tolerant approach to religious affiliation. Everyone is free to follow their own though the Sun God has predominance. We'd do well today to do everything we can to appease the Sun God...
Antigone wrote: "Certainly a book for serious readers! I face some of the same ambivalences in tackling Montaigne. Of course, that doesn't mean he isn't sitting here waiting like a patient brick for his fit in my literary wall..."
My Montaigne is a huge brick! 1400 flimsy pages of small inky font.
One of these years perhaps we will both finally fit him into place:-)
My Montaigne is a huge brick! 1400 flimsy pages of small inky font.
One of these years perhaps we will both finally fit him into place:-)
I have been very curious about this book, and his previous two. Now I will look for them. Thanks Fionnuala!
Thanks for your enticing appreciation, Fionnuala. Althernative histories - I'm doing some work on them at present so I'd better have a look at this. And I still haven't read HHhH - so many books!
Thank you for this review, Fionnuala. Very informative and excellent as usual. After reading your comments as well, my first Binet will probably be 'HHhH'.
I'd seen HHhH somewhere, but only added it just now, thanks for the pointer. It's a wonderful sign when an author is still surprising you in a delightful way in the third book of theirs! Have you heard much about the English translations of Binet books?
David wrote: "I have been very curious about this book, and his previous two. Now I will look for them. Thanks Fionnuala!"
It's probably the most curious of his books, David, and I'm very curious myself as to where he'll go with his next one.
It's probably the most curious of his books, David, and I'm very curious myself as to where he'll go with his next one.
Paul wrote: "Thanks for your enticing appreciation, Fionnuala. Althernative histories - I'm doing some work on them at present so I'd better have a look at this..."
Binet has dressed this up exactly like a history book, Paul, and included 'authentic' documents such as letters exchanged between dignitaries to add to the real feel. It's very clever.
Binet has dressed this up exactly like a history book, Paul, and included 'authentic' documents such as letters exchanged between dignitaries to add to the real feel. It's very clever.
Vesna wrote: "Thank you for this review, Fionnuala. Very informative and excellent as usual. After reading your comments as well, my first Binet will probably be 'HHhH'."
You'll enjoy HHhH I'm certain, Vesna. Binet as author is very present in that one. He's a little bit present in the Septième Fonction too but in Civilizations, he has disappeared completely. Instead there's a narrator/historian who seems to be writing in the late 1500's but we never learn his name.
You'll enjoy HHhH I'm certain, Vesna. Binet as author is very present in that one. He's a little bit present in the Septième Fonction too but in Civilizations, he has disappeared completely. Instead there's a narrator/historian who seems to be writing in the late 1500's but we never learn his name.
Junta wrote: "I'd seen HHhH somewhere, but only added it just now, thanks for the pointer. It's a wonderful sign when an author is still surprising you in a delightful way in the third book of theirs! Have you heard much about the English translations..."
It's great to find a contemporary author whose books I want to pick up as soon as they come out, Junta. That doesn't happen to me very often sadly.
As for the translations, I think that Binet's books must translate easily. He doesn't have a marked literary style, more a journalistic one. Let's say if I couldn't find a French edition I wouldn't mind reading him in English whereas with certain other French writers, I'd hold out to read them in French.
It's great to find a contemporary author whose books I want to pick up as soon as they come out, Junta. That doesn't happen to me very often sadly.
As for the translations, I think that Binet's books must translate easily. He doesn't have a marked literary style, more a journalistic one. Let's say if I couldn't find a French edition I wouldn't mind reading him in English whereas with certain other French writers, I'd hold out to read them in French.
A bit of hubris there in toying with Cervantes but Binet has shown himself to be one of Cervantes’s heirs. Great review Fionnuala.
Fionnuala wrote: "Junta wrote: "I'd seen HHhH somewhere, but only added it just now, thanks for the pointer. It's a wonderful sign when an author is still surprising you in a delightful way in the third book of thei..."
At least there are some. :-) good to know about the English translations, thanks.
At least there are some. :-) good to know about the English translations, thanks.
ἀρχαῖος (arkhaîos) In Lockdown wrote: "A bit of hubris there in toying with Cervantes but Binet has shown himself to be one of Cervantes’s heirs. Great review Fionnuala."
Thanks, ἀρχαῖος. I loved the reason for sending Cervantes to South America, to offer the local population the only thing they didn't have—literature. And it's a neat nod to the great literary traditions that really did evolve in South America. Yes, Binet has shown he can play around with fact and fiction as cleverly as Cervantes.
Thanks, ἀρχαῖος. I loved the reason for sending Cervantes to South America, to offer the local population the only thing they didn't have—literature. And it's a neat nod to the great literary traditions that really did evolve in South America. Yes, Binet has shown he can play around with fact and fiction as cleverly as Cervantes.
Indeed, it's hard to improve
on Don Quixote. Btw, I still don't understand why Don Quixote called you Lady Dulcinea. You both probably have the same gift to inspire others, each in your own way :)
on Don Quixote. Btw, I still don't understand why Don Quixote called you Lady Dulcinea. You both probably have the same gift to inspire others, each in your own way :)
Fionnuala wrote: "Antigone wrote: "Certainly a book for serious readers! I face some of the same ambivalences in tackling Montaigne. Of course, that doesn't mean he isn't sitting here waiting like a patient brick fo..."
my advice would be tackle montaigne as you did Rabelais - each book separately, or alternatively read a selection or two first, or then again maybe read How to Live: A Life of Montaigne in one question and twenty attempts at an answer as the gentlest of introdutions.
a brick book would be good for building a house of books
my advice would be tackle montaigne as you did Rabelais - each book separately, or alternatively read a selection or two first, or then again maybe read How to Live: A Life of Montaigne in one question and twenty attempts at an answer as the gentlest of introdutions.
a brick book would be good for building a house of books
Théodore wrote: "Indeed, it's hard to improve
on Don Quixote. Btw, I still don't understand why Don Quixote called you Lady Dulcinea. You both probably have the same gift to inspire others, each in your own way :)"
Thanks, Théodore! As to DQ, he was always on the lookout for his Lady Dulcinea but had never actually seen her, so in my alternative version of the story, when he met me, dressed in my opera gown and with an old heraldic ring on my finger, he figured I had to be the Lady! Simple;-)
on Don Quixote. Btw, I still don't understand why Don Quixote called you Lady Dulcinea. You both probably have the same gift to inspire others, each in your own way :)"
Thanks, Théodore! As to DQ, he was always on the lookout for his Lady Dulcinea but had never actually seen her, so in my alternative version of the story, when he met me, dressed in my opera gown and with an old heraldic ring on my finger, he figured I had to be the Lady! Simple;-)
Jan-Maat wrote: "my advice would be tackle montaigne as you did Rabelais - each book separately, or alternatively read a selection or two first, or then again maybe read How to Live: A Life of Montaigne in one question and twenty attempts at an answer as the gentlest of introductions..."
Thanks, Jan-Maat, you're a brick! I will take your advice and tackle him in sections. I did try the How to book once but decided I should read the man himself instead only I never did.
Thanks, Jan-Maat, you're a brick! I will take your advice and tackle him in sections. I did try the How to book once but decided I should read the man himself instead only I never did.
Fionnuala wrote: "Jan-Maat wrote: "my advice would be tackle montaigne as you did Rabelais - each book separately, or alternatively read a selection or two first, or then again maybe read How to Live: A Life of Mont..."
that's also another option - don't read him!
I found his essays an amazing experience - even though I have not read the entire brick, they are so direct and so personal, you are drawn into his intimate circle as a friend, which is an odd thing to happen when you are dealing with someone so long dead.
that's also another option - don't read him!
I found his essays an amazing experience - even though I have not read the entire brick, they are so direct and so personal, you are drawn into his intimate circle as a friend, which is an odd thing to happen when you are dealing with someone so long dead.