✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans)'s Reviews > The Grey Bastards

The Grey Bastards by Jonathan  French
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💀 DNF at 58%.

Yes, I dared DNF and award 1 pathetically miserable little star to a book with a 4.15-star average rating. Not to mention that I had the audacity to write a negative review about it, too. Goes to show that I’ve lost nothing of my legendary despicability, despite all evidence to the contrary. So go me and stuff. (view spoiler)

Sooooo, this would have been a delightful little tale about a bunch of gleeful, fun-loving, pacifist half-orcs (they were shortlisted for the Nobel Peace Prize a few years ago, from what I’m told), had the women in it not been portrayed in a quite very slightly infuriating manner. Which might or might not have possibly made me felt like unleashing my murderous children on the author quite a few times as I was reading the book.

And what would call for such an uncharacteristic bout of violence on my part, you ask? Well maybe the fact that the female characters in this story—charmingly and most elegantly referred to as “cunnies” and “cunts” and “pussies” and “slashes” and “quims” and other similarly enchanting monikers, because this is a world of manly macho males who are super manly and macho and stuff, and therefore have to show zero bloody shrimping respect for things with “slits” women—are either whores or broodmares barely good enough to raise and feed children. Okay okay, let’s not be too harsh here. It is true that some women in the book do have greater callings. Like being raped. And beaten the crap out of. And enslaved. And generally abused. So yay and stuff.



But hey, it’s not ALL bad. Take Fetching’s character for example. (Let’s put aside the fact that she earned this lovely nickname because, as a woman, her two only missions in life are “fucking and fetching,” shall we?) Now there’s a strong, kickass chick! Okay, so she’s Slightly Very Unlikeable (SVU™), but what woman isn’t, I ask you? And it just so happens that she pretends to be gay to better fit in with her Manly Macho Men (M³) colleagues, but there’s nothing really wrong with that, IS THERE? I mean, she's trying Super Extra Hard to be one of the guys, so it would make sense for her to play lesbian, RIGHT? Because it is a truth universally acknowledged that all gay women are masculine as fish and act like men, RIGHT? Besides, it makes sense that Mr French would choose to give dear Fetch all the attributes of masculinity. I mean, it’s not like feminine women who act and dress womanly can be badasses. Of course they can’t. Don’t be silly now. This is a scientifically proven fact that has been scientifically proven numerous times. Most recently by my very good friend Lovely Henry. She’s quite the figurative male, my Henry. It pleases me greatly. (view spoiler)

Now, the great thing is, not only is this book a highly progressive feminist pamphlet, it also comes fully equipped with truckloads of refined, exquisite lingo reminiscent of The Heresy Within. (I’m beginning to think Messrs French and Hayes are fourth cousins thrice removed or something.) At no extra charge! Imagine that! Ah, the non-stop, crude, lame banter! Ah, the constant sexual references and pathetic dick “cod” puns and jokes and pranks and stuff! Such gloriously bad taste all around! What joy and glee this brings me!



Oh, and in case you were wondering, no, I ain’t too proud to beg one of those clean-reading prudes *shudders* who instantly self-combust in the presence of sexual innuendo and boorish manners. And yes, I understand that this unsavoury display of unsavoury expressions is supposed to be a reflection of what a Neanderthal-like Brutally Brutal Clique (BBC™) the half-orcs are. But does that mean every single distasteful line of every single distasteful dialogue needs to be about sex and/or about women as sex objects to be debased and used? Not unless you’re writing for a bunch of horny, sex-deprived teenage boys, it doesn’t.

Nefarious Last Words (NLW™): this book could have been an entertaining, gritty, violent, deliciously dark fest. Only that it wasn’t. Because putting more focus on your ridiculously sex-obsessed, misogynistic, flat characters than on your plot and world-building does not a good book make. So QED and stuff.

P.S. I’m unleashing both Lady and her great great grandma Mist on this book. Just so that the supposed hardasses in this charming little story get an idea of what Real Badass Chicks (RBC™) are capable of. I see lots of severed little half-orc heads in this book’s future. Fun times.



P.P.S. Want to read a Slightly Very Good (SVG™) SPFBO winner with a strong, empowering female character? Read my girlfriend Amra's adventures. You're welcome.



[Pre-review nonsense]

Why DNF such a highly rated book, you ask? Because a) everyone but me has I have Despicable Book Taste (DBT™), b) feminism committed suicide way too many times while I was reading this delightful piece of crap literature and I'm ever so slightly pissed off as a result, c) it kinda sorta reminded me of The Colour of Vengeance *shudders* and d) reasons. Ergo, out of here I am.



Review to come and stuff.
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Reading Progress

July 18, 2019 – Shelved
July 18, 2019 – Shelved as: wishlist
July 18, 2019 – Shelved as: fantasy
July 18, 2019 – Shelved as: br-2019
July 18, 2019 – Shelved as: to-read
August 31, 2019 – Started Reading
September 3, 2019 –
33.0% "I just LOVE the way women are portrayed in this book. Then again maybe not.

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September 4, 2019 – Finished Reading
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: dnf-graveyard
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: feminism-just-committed-suicide
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: blah-blah-blah-heaven
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: kill-it-with-fire
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: let-s-bail-snail
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: tbr-shelf-says-thank-you
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: 2019
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: awakens-the-homicidal-maniac-in-me
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: self-preservation-is-the-key
September 5, 2019 – Shelved as: unlikable-characters-r-us
September 8, 2019 – Shelved as: darker-is-cooler

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Selah Nice to see I'm not the only DNF on this, I had the same problems you did


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Uhm, who selects the next book to read to you? Fire that person. Yesterday.


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Carmen Interesting.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Selah wrote: "Nice to see I'm not the only DNF on this, I had the same problems you did"

A good thing at least a few of us DNFed read this book right, haha.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Evgeny wrote: "Uhm, who selects the next book to read to you? Fire that person. Yesterday."

I just DNFed two books in a row because of her, so I'm thinking of cutting her lovely little head off and putting it on a pike.


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✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) wrote: "Evgeny wrote: "Uhm, who selects the next book to read to you? Fire that person. Yesterday."

I just DNFed two books in a row because of her, so I'm thinking of cutting her lovely little head off an..."


If you want some advice (involving NOT murdering the person you mentioned), do what I did. It helped.
1. Stop reading new fantasy; consider it to be crap by definition. There are some obvious exemptions, like Glen Cook or Ilona Andrews.
2. Read some Wodehouse. A good laughter never hurt anybody. Agatha Christie works too.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Evgeny wrote: "✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) wrote: "Evgeny wrote: "Uhm, who selects the next book to read to you? Fire that person. Yesterday."

I just DNFed two books in a row ..."


The problem with The Person Who Shall Not Be Named is that she is always willing to give Fantasy younglings a chance. And never learns from her numerous mistakes. So yes, I think it might be safer for her to stick to books she's already read 200,000 times from now on. Either that or lock her up in a rehab facility for naive Fantasy readers who believe the crap publishers put in blurbs have too much faith in book descriptions.


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Pghbekka I am glad that I read a page and then came and found this review even though I wanted it to be awesome and it turns out I should just read The Black Company again. But also The Thief Who Pulled on Trouble's Braids, which is already on my TBR and on my Kindle, so at least I can cleanse my palate.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Pghbekka wrote: "I am glad that I read a page and then came and found this review even though I wanted it to be awesome and it turns out I should just read The Black Company again. But also The Thief Who Pulled on ..."

The Black Company + Amra = best palate cleanser ever!:D It's a shame that this book turned out to be such an unpleasant read when it had such huge potential. I mean, orcs!!


message 11: by Mats (new)

Mats AL If you had read the whole book, and the second book (which is strictly from a female characters point of view) you would realize how short-sighted this review makes you look.

However, thats the problem when reading something with a certain pair of glasses. Like a conspiracy theorist you pick out what you want to support your beliefs.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Mats wrote: "If you had read the whole book, and the second book (which is strictly from a female characters point of view) you would realize how short-sighted this review makes you look.

However, thats the pr..."


Happy Short-Sighted Holidays to you!:D


Annie ⚜️ THANK YOU. Samesies. Samesies. It sounded odd but thought at a 4+ rating it must be pretty good. Bua-ha-ha. Nopity-nope. I thought surely I’m being gaslighted with this great reviews? 🤷🏻‍♀️


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Beast Annie ⚜️ wrote: "THANK YOU. Samesies. Samesies. It sounded odd but thought at a 4+ rating it must be pretty good. Bua-ha-ha. Nopity-nope. I thought surely I’m being gaslighted with this great reviews? 🤷🏻‍♀️"

Dude, I *just* came back from a bookstore with this book, vaguely recalling good reviews and intrigued by "humanised" orcs à la Elder Scrolls, went to double-check and saw these reviews... thank fuck I took the receipt because this is getting exchanged tomorrow. THANKS, OP!


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Stephanie I was going to write a review to go with my one star but dang-you covered it all for me ;D


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Stephanie wrote: "I was going to write a review to go with my one star but dang-you covered it all for me ;D"

Hahaha! You're welcome, Stephanie! 😁😁


Melissa ♥ Dog/Wolf Lover ♥ Martin You read it wrong 🤣😂


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Melissa ♥ Dog/Wolf Lover ♥ wrote: "You read it wrong 🤣😂"

Funny, I could have sworn I heard someone say that fairly recently.


message 19: by Sade (new) - rated it 2 stars

Sade 😂😂 i read the blurb for book 2 and rightly stayed away.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Sade wrote: "😂😂 i read the blurb for book 2 and rightly stayed away."

You read the blurb? I didn't even go that far. What a brave, audacious soul you are, hahaha.


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Charul Palmer-Patel Thanks for solidifying my own DNF at 25%. I was getting bored and came on here to see if it got better. You hit the nail on the head with the heavy-handed misogyny (i assume the misogyny was a misguided attempt at feminist critique; Poorly rendered when the main character constantly identifies women as objects). But it didn't click for me that the lack of characterization was what bothered me. They were all interchangeable with nothing particularly interesting or notable about the main character. I'm also listening to the audiobook version and the wizard character is given an orientalized accent so making him gay screamed of racism rather than LGBTQIA inclusion. The accent alone was making me cringe.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Charul wrote: "Thanks for solidifying my own DNF at 25%. I was getting bored and came on here to see if it got better. You hit the nail on the head with the heavy-handed misogyny (i assume the misogyny was a misg..."

I just don't get how so many male authors who try to portray supposedly strong female cast members get it so wrong that they completely miss their mark and end up creating some of the most repulsive, unpleasant characters ever. I try to tell myself it's not straight-out misogyny and rather a result of them making a botch of things, as you mentioned, but sometimes I really do wonder. The same goes for diversity and LGBTQIA inclusion. Some authors really manage to screw things up and have their attempts backfire badly, which is both sad and infuriating. (Given what you say about the wizard's accents, I would have cringed, too. Ugh.)


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Bob Thanks for this review. It's really tough these days to find books that aren't written for teen gals and beta simps. I appreciate when they are pointed out.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Bob wrote: "Thanks for this review. It's really tough these days to find books that aren't written for teen gals and beta simps. I appreciate when they are pointed out."

You're welcome, Bob! Glad I could help 😁. I really have a hard time with dark fantasy as it is written today. Most of the books are very formulaic and some of the views that the authors express are incredibly problematic.


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Aravind Balaji Even if one sets aside the terrible depiction of women in this book as "worldbuilding", there is nothing more off-putting to read Jackal be horny on every goddamn page, especially when it contributes fuck all to the progression of a chapter. He had apparently rescued a rape victim and Jack can't help but think of how sexy she is.

But what ultimately made me drop this book was just how infuriatingly stupid Jackal is and Delia calls him a "brave beautiful bastard" or some nonsense. I don't understand how people enjoyed this trash pile.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Aravind wrote: "Even if one sets aside the terrible depiction of women in this book as "worldbuilding", there is nothing more off-putting to read Jackal be horny on every goddamn page, especially when it contribut..."

I don't understand the appeal either. As if Grimdark was about making the world and characters as unpleasant and unappealing as possible. Because a story is dark doesn't necessarily mean everything about it has to be distasteful and unpalatable.


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Aravind Balaji ✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) wrote: "Aravind wrote: "Even if one sets aside the terrible depiction of women in this book as "worldbuilding", there is nothing more off-putting to read Jackal be horny on every goddamn page, especially w..."

I thought grimdark meant the world had a cynical bend to it, not that it was "edgy".


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Aravind wrote: "✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) wrote: "Aravind wrote: "Even if one sets aside the terrible depiction of women in this book as "worldbuilding", there is nothing more..."

I don't think Grimdark is necessarily cynical. It tends to be violent, realistic and amoral, and edginess is definitely not part of the mix!


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Fiona Cook (back and catching up!) Urgh, thank you for your sacrifice - I'll hopefully pay you back the wasted time you saved me one of these days!


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Fiona wrote: "Urgh, thank you for your sacrifice - I'll hopefully pay you back the wasted time you saved me one of these days!"

My pleasure! Well I can't this was actually a "pleasure," but you know what I mean 😁😁.


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Michelle Oh, crap Sarah! I almost bought this. I'm not now, though, after reading your review :o


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Michelle wrote: "Oh, crap Sarah! I almost bought this. I'm not now, though, after reading your review :o"

I was going to say "you might want to give it a try just in case, I may have read it very wrong and there's a chance you might like it," but I won't 😁😁.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Brendan wrote: "Did the name of the book confuse you?"

Who knows?


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Charlene Thank you for your review, I won't be wasting my time or money on this load of misogyny. Scary how many people failed to see the theme within the story, or just don't care....


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Charlene wrote: "Thank you for your review, I won't be wasting my time or money on this load of misogyny. Scary how many people failed to see the theme within the story, or just don't care...."

You're welcome! I just don't understand how books with such questionable content as this one can have such high ratings and so many people raving about them. It's one of the greatest mysteries of the universe if you ask me. Well either that or I keep reading books wrong, haha.


message 37: by J.L. (new) - rated it 1 star

J.L. Delavega YES. To ALL OF THIS.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) J.L. wrote: "YES. To ALL OF THIS."

I guess this means you agree with me on this one, right? 😁


message 39: by Michael (new)

Michael I've not read this book and thanks to your review I will never bother to pick it up. Far too many authors seems to think that to write believable Grimdark stories you must have female characters who have been raped and who have zero importance in the story other than to be represented as sexual objects. As I've got older I've lost interest in dark/grimdark fantasy because they all seem to focus on those themes/views on rape taken from the earlier work of authors like Stephen Donaldson. Give me a fantasy that focusses on female and male strengths rather than on the equipment that lurks between their legs and I'll be far more likely to read it. Thanks for the warning in the form of this comical but factual review.


✘✘ Sarah ✘✘ (former Nefarious Breeder of Murderous Crustaceans) Michael wrote: "I've not read this book and thanks to your review I will never bother to pick it up. Far too many authors seems to think that to write believable Grimdark stories you must have female characters wh..."

You're welcome, Michael! It's actually pretty shocking to see that some authors still portray women this way in this day and age and that they seem to think men and women can only interact through sex. You'd think things would have evolved and that we'd gotten past these antiquated, sexist views. It reflects really badly on the genre as a whole.


message 41: by Jayati (new)

Jayati Basu Thank you for saving my time! This cane highly reccommended to me on reddit and something about the name & cover made me think ah a book written by a man for men lol. Your review saved me money & time! It sounds as bad as the name suggests


message 42: by Anita (new)

Anita Thank you so much. Had to just added it to my TBR but now I’ve removed it. Cannot deal with any of what you’ve mentioned so thank you very much for the warning!


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Paul Liebe I now want to read it even more, thanks.


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