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Women & Power by Mary Beard
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it was amazing

It is a shame for women to be loud

I don’t know who told me this this stupid wisdom and I don’t remember
Maybe in my school or maybe in my house but nevertheless I feel guilty for believing it.
Why some men or most of traditional men are scared of women talking loudly, what about women doest those feel irritated by it ?
Lack of public speaking to group of people was curse that befell on women for most of time and still now that right to speak in public place ( usually men’s areas ) .

For many centuries and centuries women in many countries and continents were usually forbidden or discouraged from speaking in public area to group of people.
Mary Beard which is very important historian and Author of many historical book
Has tried to understand why misogyny and men’s fear of women being in power came to being,and why this irrationally still haunts to this day.
Since the author is a lot of experience in greek roman history and usually that is the historic origin for most of European traditions and norms.
The book starts with Homer and if you read you remember this scene when
«Telemachus intervenes: ‘Mother,’ he says, ‘go back up
into your quarters, and take up your own work, the loom and the distaff … speech will be the business
of men, all men, and of me most of all; for mine is the power in this household»
There is some tragicomedy in this scene on how a young boy can order his mom like that and how can his mom allows him to order her like that
This scene teaches us a lot about what is to be a man in that era
Mostly being capable of speaking in public and simultaneously disempowerment and subjecting household women to men’s order.

Miss trigg’s example

What happens when women in a group of men tries to voice her opinion on the subject

( that’s excellent suggestion, miss triggs , perhaps one of the men here would like to make it.)
Even after voicing her opinions what usually occurs after a few awkward silence is either dismiss it and the men continue from where they were talking or outright ignore her.
The lucky women who survived the abomination of public speech were either the victims or martyrs .
Even if women were allowed to speak in classical era they were usually allowed to speak for her own gender and nothing else

Public speech and the choices women have

Even if women were allowed to talk in front of many people there were not many subjects to talk about excepts women’s issues or family issues,I know this is important subjects to talk about but even so to minimise women role of defending only to this issues and relegating all other subject as men profession is hidden sexism that contaminates every society then and still now

Modern internet troll and women speech

Watching youtube and sometimes reading the comments down below the amount of hate speech directed toward is quite mind boggling and disturbing at least
I don’t want to generalise but the amount of troll rape threat men send toward far exceed many times the amount of trolls threats women send toward men

Eventually with coming of 2018 and with so many women speaking against sexual harassment in workforce in media in hollywood and in politics also
The leeway men got with their outrageous behaviour are coming to end and society for now listens and takes women opinions and thought seriously
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Reading Progress

December 5, 2017 – Shelved as: to-read
December 5, 2017 – Shelved
December 14, 2017 – Started Reading
December 14, 2017 –
5.0% "This ‘muteness’ is not just a reflection of women’s general disempowerment throughout the classical world: no voting rights, limited legal and economic independence and so on. It was partly that. Ancient women were obviously not likely to raise their voices in a political sphere in which they had no formal stake."
December 15, 2017 –
80.0% "The point is simple but important: as far back as we can see in Western history there is a radical separation – real, cultural and imaginary – between women and power."
December 16, 2017 – Finished Reading

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Karen Chung Impressive review and thoughts, Ina!


message 2: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Karen wrote: "Impressive review and thoughts, Ina!"

thanks a lot Karen


message 3: by Petra It's a year now, still in a dark place (last edited Dec 16, 2017 05:52AM) (new)

Petra It's a year now, still in a dark place Ina wrote: "It is a shame for women to be loud"

One of the qualities I look for in an employee is that they are loud. I like loud women, loud voices that are full of self-confidence. They manage the shop better and sell better. Women with soft voices annoy people, especially older people, who have to ask them to repeat things and if they keep being soft, they think they are arrogant because they can see they need to speak louder and won't.


message 4: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Petra Eggs wrote: "Ina wrote: "It is a shame for women to be loud"

One of the qualities I look for in an employee is that they are loud. I like loud women, loud voices that are full of self-confidence. They manage t..."

i believe being loud especially in a place women are preferred to be silent can be emancipator for women.
and it is somehow strange how many excuses men make for their sexism and misogyny toward women can be read in texts men read 2000 years ago
some habits die hard


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Thanks so much for your recommendation, Ina. Sounds very interesting.


Jasmine Splendid review, Ina. I'm going to read this pretty soon :)


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Loes Dissel Thank you for the recommendation Ina.


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withdrawn Thanks for the recommendation Ina. A good review.


Lauren Davis Just bought this book yesterday. I'm a huge fan of Mary Beard and her insistent authenticity. So glad to hear you recommend this book. I look forward to reading it. Good review!


message 10: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Claudia wrote: "Thanks so much for your recommendation, Ina. Sounds very interesting."

you are most welcome i hope you enjoy it like i did


message 11: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Jasmine wrote: "Splendid review, Ina. I'm going to read this pretty soon :)"

am really looking forward you read your thoughts on this matter and the book


message 12: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Loes wrote: "Thank you for the recommendation Ina."

you are most welcome am looking forward to read your on this book


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Ina Cawl RK-ique wrote: "Thanks for the recommendation Ina. A good review."

thanks a lot RK-ique


message 14: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Lauren wrote: "Just bought this book yesterday. I'm a huge fan of Mary Beard and her insistent authenticity. So glad to hear you recommend this book. I look forward to reading it. Good review!"

she is amazing writer with so many historical knowledge to boost her arguments and ideas am quite amazed by her.
am looking forward to read your review on this book


message 15: by Stephie (new)

Stephie Williams Ina,

How did manage to be so progressive in such a regressive culture? Were you studying abroad? Anyway hats off to you.

A nice review by the way.


message 16: by Naseeba (new)

Naseeba Steven wrote: "Ina,

How did manage to be so progressive in such a regressive culture? Were you studying abroad? Anyway hats off to you.

A nice review by the way."

not every one in our culture is closedminded and arrogant, and there is allot of young people who get over the sexism and the extremism.


message 17: by Naseeba (new)

Naseeba i liked your review, am intersted in this book, thanks for the recomendation walalo :)


message 18: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Naseeba wrote: "i liked your review, am intersted in this book, thanks for the recomendation walalo :)"

thank you and you are most welcome


Adina (way behind on reviews, no notifications) The leeway men got with their outrageous behaviour are coming to end and society for now listens and takes women opinions and thought seriously -Let's hope so Ina. It;s about time.


message 20: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Adina wrote: "The leeway men got with their outrageous behaviour are coming to end and society for now listens and takes women opinions and thought seriously -Let's hope so Ina. It;s about time."

It is time for women to be more vocal and be less tolerating to men stupidity thank god Time gave them their prize this year


message 21: by Stephie (new)

Stephie Williams Naseeba wrote: "Steven wrote: "Ina,

How did manage to be so progressive in such a regressive culture? Were you studying abroad? Anyway hats off to you.

A nice review by the way."
not every one in our culture i..."


Yes, I did ignore this fact. But, the number must be small. Do you have any idea on how large the number of people there who have progressive views are? All I hear about Somalia is a news blurb once in awhile, which only covers its politics or violent behavior. You hear nothing of the day to day life of ordinary citizens here in the United States, which still harbors religious fanatics (some are called Republicans).


message 22: by Naseeba (new)

Naseeba Steven wrote: "Naseeba wrote: "Steven wrote: "Ina,

How did manage to be so progressive in such a regressive culture? Were you studying abroad? Anyway hats off to you.

A nice review by the way."
not every one ..."

lol i know about them, i understand your point of view and yes we are not that much, we live in secret groups like the witchs in Ireland in 1700 but we do exist :).


message 23: by Stephie (new)

Stephie Williams Naseeba wrote: "Steven wrote: "Naseeba wrote: "Steven wrote: "Ina,

How did manage to be so progressive in such a regressive culture? Were you studying abroad? Anyway hats off to you.

A nice review by the way."..."


I admire yours and Ina's courage in your beliefs.


Adina (way behind on reviews, no notifications) Ina wrote: "Adina wrote: "The leeway men got with their outrageous behaviour are coming to end and society for now listens and takes women opinions and thought seriously -Let's hope so Ina. It;s about time."

..."
That's great! But then we sabotage ourselves. Take for example the letter from the French women who denounce the #metoo movement. Some of the things they see are really stupid.


message 25: by Ina (new) - rated it 5 stars

Ina Cawl Adina wrote: "Ina wrote: "Adina wrote: "The leeway men got with their outrageous behaviour are coming to end and society for now listens and takes women opinions and thought seriously -Let's hope so Ina. It;s ab..."

the book also talks also about that, i mean self sabotaging
there was was novel written in England where the Author portrays a secret island full of amazonian women where their technology far surpass what any men had achieved but when three American discover them somehow the women stop appreciating what they had and start believing the men are more smarter than them although the evidence says otherwise


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