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The Monster Baru Cormorant (The Masquerade, #2)
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Make enough death, and like any other currency it loses its value.”
The promiscuous book-lover that I am, I fall in love with new series quickly and you can find my passionate and awed reviews that sing this love without abandon. However, once the initial infatuation fades away, it takes a lot to keep my love going, lest I move on to some new book-love of my life. If you remember my review for Traitor Baru, you know that I was truly smitten. Sadly, it was a one-book stand. Nothing that could develop into a many-volume relationship.
Rebel accountant Baru Cormorant murdered the love of her life and betrayed almost everybody who considered her an ally in her quest to vanquish an evil empire from within. Now she is elevated to the new heights of power that gives her power and influence on the decision-making processes, the policies, the intrigues of the monster that devoured her homeland and so…
… you think you will read how Baru delves deep into the heart and mind of Masquerade’s power and takes no prisoners, so to speak, in order to kill the empire relying solely on the power of her mind and her knowledge of the money -- you could not be more mistaken…
instead you will be embarrassed to read how the cryptarch Agonist, formerly known as Baru Cormorant, wallows, is paralysed by her own trauma and fears which means putting things off and stumbles around crippled by her naivety and indecisiveness, which puts her in tow, following up on the tide of events and then in the final moment just before doom, saving the hour thanks to being a savant which in the book’s lingo means just a snow-flake with a special capability.
So, forget the ledger of secrets, and if you are at that, forget the secrets altogether. The intrigues in this volume are about as subtle as a hippo in the porcelain store; there is also a new antagonist (so to speak) and a new layer to the world building that has the stink of comforting metaphysics able to account for everything should the need arise. (view spoiler) There is nothing of the secret and total power Baru was promised and sacrificed so much to gain, instead she is dancing to other people’s tune, supposed mysteries that are key to blackmail and coercion are swapped over dinner like bad jokes that nobody enjoys, and the superb geopolitical machinations I so admired in the previous instalment are substituted with hazy ideas of magical mbo and trim.
There is only one sequence that shows what Baru is capable of when unleashed and I loved it. The rest of the book is clouded by her ignorance (honestly, even assistants and other random people know more than she does) and thus it is not surprising that in her oblivion, Baru is outmanoeuvred like a child more than once.
The other element I enjoyed, besides the writing style itself, was the recipe of how to destroy a nation: Schools to seduce the young. Banks to issue loans and to put people in debt. Debt as a form of slavery. I look around and I see that Masquerade has already arrived, and although its agents do not wear masks, they are equally faceless.
I guess all this happens because success happened. To the best of my knowledge, Baru Cormorant was meant to be a duology, but due to a favourable reception, has been extended now into four books. It means that the initial design Baru ascending to power in book one and Baru executing the power in book 2 needed to be appropriated in order to accommodate additional volumes. For this reason, Baru is not executing anything, there are new POVs and arcs gaining prominence and the whole intrigue gains an absurdly creepy flavour.
You will have idiotic sentences like: ”Let’s do something. We’re cryptarchs, aren’t we? Let’s conspire.” that are not meant as a comic relief. Like a stone thrown into the Ashen Sea, Baru made ripples and some of those ripples take her by surprise. OK, the majority of those take her by surprise, being frighteningly acute and insightful savant notwithstanding. And so for the better part of the book, she is surprised and worried and grieving and oh, lusting after women. The unbearable lightness of sex would put Milan Kundera to shame (people approach sex as far less a commitment than you’d approach a friendship and give it less consideration than you’d consider taking a loan from a bank; in fact, it is all a bit animalistic).
It might be too harsh, perhaps, to conclude that the Masquerade was praised on the grounds of diversity it brings to the fantasy genre. But diversity for the sake of diversity is a sham, even if it entails things as the lesbian main protagonist, departure from a monogamous, heterosexual societal order and a singular they in the narrative. It all feels a bit disjointed, especially that on the one hand you have engendered children free to choose who they want to be, on the other unequivocally declared Baru who didn’t construct herself a lesbian but was born with the desire to fuck women, as she is fond of saying. And so the prevalent gender fluidity breaks on her preferences which are set in stone. I understand that this is meant to augment the tension between the nature and the construction (or deconstruction) that is culture, but if you have all the true loves homosexual only and all the tough warriors (with inhuman physical prowess, if you ask me) female, frankly speaking, the book reads like propaganda à rebours.
Baru, with her reptilian calm and inhuman detachment that borders on psychopathic, scares me and is not a heroine I could bond with. She is moody, idiosyncratic and freaky as opposed to nerdy (which implies something endearing). As in when asked what she wants to eat and her response is: ”I want to eat a heart…I want a tender deer-heart, cut out raw and still trembling, all its lobes spread out like a butterfly and slathered in cream and simmered over low coals.” Why? why?! How am I supposed to react to something like that? If you think this cover is scary, wait what happens when you read the pages of the book. Pardon my Latin but Baru scares the shit out of me and this happens rarely. In comparison with her, Jorg was like a rescued shelter puppy. Simultaneously, there is something pitiable in her constraints, in her inability to face the past, but it is a dirty pity; demeaning more than empathising.
My problem with Mr Dickinson’s prose is very similar to the recent objections against Laini Taylor, even though the latter is YA, while Masquerade is grim dark dystopian. The book is really beautifully written; no really, the writing is exquisitely beautiful with phrases and whole sentences like little wonders. But aside from the perfect prose, the book holds not enough to carry its own burden and collapses under the weight of wasted potential.
It was supposed to be a dystopia about a perfect meritocracy, plotting, mining secrets out, and wreaking havoc under false pretences. Instead, we have an embarrassing story about as sophisticated as a kitten chasing its own tail. Disappointments heaped upon failed hopes and false promises. Anticipated The Monster Baru Cormorant proved to be a letdown of the year. I cannot recommend the novel, and at this point, I am still debating whether to continue with the series. Daniel Abraham writes much better accountants of dubious morals and so I suggest that instead of putting up with Baru, you’d make acquaintance with Cithrin in The Dagger and the Coin series.
___
Where it begins:
The Traitor Baru Cormorant ★★★★☆
How it ends:
3. Tyrant Baru Cormorant ☆☆☆☆★
4. Untitled Baru Cormorant who cares?
The promiscuous book-lover that I am, I fall in love with new series quickly and you can find my passionate and awed reviews that sing this love without abandon. However, once the initial infatuation fades away, it takes a lot to keep my love going, lest I move on to some new book-love of my life. If you remember my review for Traitor Baru, you know that I was truly smitten. Sadly, it was a one-book stand. Nothing that could develop into a many-volume relationship.
Rebel accountant Baru Cormorant murdered the love of her life and betrayed almost everybody who considered her an ally in her quest to vanquish an evil empire from within. Now she is elevated to the new heights of power that gives her power and influence on the decision-making processes, the policies, the intrigues of the monster that devoured her homeland and so…
… you think you will read how Baru delves deep into the heart and mind of Masquerade’s power and takes no prisoners, so to speak, in order to kill the empire relying solely on the power of her mind and her knowledge of the money -- you could not be more mistaken…
instead you will be embarrassed to read how the cryptarch Agonist, formerly known as Baru Cormorant, wallows, is paralysed by her own trauma and fears which means putting things off and stumbles around crippled by her naivety and indecisiveness, which puts her in tow, following up on the tide of events and then in the final moment just before doom, saving the hour thanks to being a savant which in the book’s lingo means just a snow-flake with a special capability.
So, forget the ledger of secrets, and if you are at that, forget the secrets altogether. The intrigues in this volume are about as subtle as a hippo in the porcelain store; there is also a new antagonist (so to speak) and a new layer to the world building that has the stink of comforting metaphysics able to account for everything should the need arise. (view spoiler) There is nothing of the secret and total power Baru was promised and sacrificed so much to gain, instead she is dancing to other people’s tune, supposed mysteries that are key to blackmail and coercion are swapped over dinner like bad jokes that nobody enjoys, and the superb geopolitical machinations I so admired in the previous instalment are substituted with hazy ideas of magical mbo and trim.
There is only one sequence that shows what Baru is capable of when unleashed and I loved it. The rest of the book is clouded by her ignorance (honestly, even assistants and other random people know more than she does) and thus it is not surprising that in her oblivion, Baru is outmanoeuvred like a child more than once.
The other element I enjoyed, besides the writing style itself, was the recipe of how to destroy a nation: Schools to seduce the young. Banks to issue loans and to put people in debt. Debt as a form of slavery. I look around and I see that Masquerade has already arrived, and although its agents do not wear masks, they are equally faceless.
I guess all this happens because success happened. To the best of my knowledge, Baru Cormorant was meant to be a duology, but due to a favourable reception, has been extended now into four books. It means that the initial design Baru ascending to power in book one and Baru executing the power in book 2 needed to be appropriated in order to accommodate additional volumes. For this reason, Baru is not executing anything, there are new POVs and arcs gaining prominence and the whole intrigue gains an absurdly creepy flavour.
You will have idiotic sentences like: ”Let’s do something. We’re cryptarchs, aren’t we? Let’s conspire.” that are not meant as a comic relief. Like a stone thrown into the Ashen Sea, Baru made ripples and some of those ripples take her by surprise. OK, the majority of those take her by surprise, being frighteningly acute and insightful savant notwithstanding. And so for the better part of the book, she is surprised and worried and grieving and oh, lusting after women. The unbearable lightness of sex would put Milan Kundera to shame (people approach sex as far less a commitment than you’d approach a friendship and give it less consideration than you’d consider taking a loan from a bank; in fact, it is all a bit animalistic).
It might be too harsh, perhaps, to conclude that the Masquerade was praised on the grounds of diversity it brings to the fantasy genre. But diversity for the sake of diversity is a sham, even if it entails things as the lesbian main protagonist, departure from a monogamous, heterosexual societal order and a singular they in the narrative. It all feels a bit disjointed, especially that on the one hand you have engendered children free to choose who they want to be, on the other unequivocally declared Baru who didn’t construct herself a lesbian but was born with the desire to fuck women, as she is fond of saying. And so the prevalent gender fluidity breaks on her preferences which are set in stone. I understand that this is meant to augment the tension between the nature and the construction (or deconstruction) that is culture, but if you have all the true loves homosexual only and all the tough warriors (with inhuman physical prowess, if you ask me) female, frankly speaking, the book reads like propaganda à rebours.
Baru, with her reptilian calm and inhuman detachment that borders on psychopathic, scares me and is not a heroine I could bond with. She is moody, idiosyncratic and freaky as opposed to nerdy (which implies something endearing). As in when asked what she wants to eat and her response is: ”I want to eat a heart…I want a tender deer-heart, cut out raw and still trembling, all its lobes spread out like a butterfly and slathered in cream and simmered over low coals.” Why? why?! How am I supposed to react to something like that? If you think this cover is scary, wait what happens when you read the pages of the book. Pardon my Latin but Baru scares the shit out of me and this happens rarely. In comparison with her, Jorg was like a rescued shelter puppy. Simultaneously, there is something pitiable in her constraints, in her inability to face the past, but it is a dirty pity; demeaning more than empathising.
My problem with Mr Dickinson’s prose is very similar to the recent objections against Laini Taylor, even though the latter is YA, while Masquerade is grim dark dystopian. The book is really beautifully written; no really, the writing is exquisitely beautiful with phrases and whole sentences like little wonders. But aside from the perfect prose, the book holds not enough to carry its own burden and collapses under the weight of wasted potential.
It was supposed to be a dystopia about a perfect meritocracy, plotting, mining secrets out, and wreaking havoc under false pretences. Instead, we have an embarrassing story about as sophisticated as a kitten chasing its own tail. Disappointments heaped upon failed hopes and false promises. Anticipated The Monster Baru Cormorant proved to be a letdown of the year. I cannot recommend the novel, and at this point, I am still debating whether to continue with the series. Daniel Abraham writes much better accountants of dubious morals and so I suggest that instead of putting up with Baru, you’d make acquaintance with Cithrin in The Dagger and the Coin series.
___
Where it begins:
The Traitor Baru Cormorant ★★★★☆
How it ends:
3. Tyrant Baru Cormorant ☆☆☆☆★
4. Untitled Baru Cormorant who cares?
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I am not loving the book, though. I'm 1/3 in, my all hopes had crashed and so far the bizarre is mounting into absurd.
First one was glorious. But success happened and instead of a duology, now there are supposed to be four books. You know what it means for the plot. One hell of a mess.
First one was amazing and unforgettable. I hope I enjoy this one too, people seem to be divided on it.
I guess it all depends on individual expectations. I have expected something entirely else in terms of the main arc. As in, something entirely else was promised (especially in terms of letters Baru sent at the end of the previous book).
Oracle, please tell me, will I like the #1 or will I DNF like everything else in this world? Thank you.
My inner sight tells me that you might not be enchanted by this accountancy thriller, but who knows? Maybe ledgers will excite you? Geopolitical puzzles? Dystopia? Lesbian star-crossed lovers?
Mayim wrote: "My inner sight tells me that you might not be enchanted by this accountancy thriller, but who knows? Maybe ledgers will excite you? Geopolitical puzzles? Dystopia? Lesbian star-crossed lovers?"
You got me at "my inner sight" :D Had this one on my shelves (well, more like in my Kindle) for sometime, and I hear it's awesome. But since my reading friends know my better than me, I want to be prepared for my next disaster. Ledgers sounds like sooooo much fun :D
You got me at "my inner sight" :D Had this one on my shelves (well, more like in my Kindle) for sometime, and I hear it's awesome. But since my reading friends know my better than me, I want to be prepared for my next disaster. Ledgers sounds like sooooo much fun :D
Mind you, I am also terribly shortsighted. Or the other way round. In any case, I am able to blank Mr de Vries passing him on the street because I don't recognise his face (particularly if I'm busy thinking about something important like world domination).
So.
Don't trust my sight. Try the book. I'll love to read the DNFF. ;)
So.
Don't trust my sight. Try the book. I'll love to read the DNFF. ;)
I know, guuuurl :/ Once I cut my hair very short, and nobody knew me. Like, literally, nobody. My friend was basically in front of me, and she didn't recognized me. weird feeling. But yes, world domination is veri importante :D Significant other can wait a second. Or few more.
I won't trust you then :D And I will read it. Soon.
I won't trust you then :D And I will read it. Soon.
That first paragraph though... fine fine, we understand, your husband is an amazing rare specimen among us mortals and the rest of us should all kindly drown in our swamps of mediocrity, I understand. :PP
Moving on now. :D
Hmm, I'm tempted to read this. I love books about crazy murdering lesbians. I'm serious. I'm tempted to illegally download pirated version of this series this instant and read it until physical copies arrive.
Although I'm a bit dissuaded by this review, since you and I are basically book twins when it comes to opinions (I started writing onions and that got me thinking: what is your opinion on onions? Answer to that question is not mandatory. :D)
Where was I? Ah, yes, I was leaving. :D
Moving on now. :D
Hmm, I'm tempted to read this. I love books about crazy murdering lesbians. I'm serious. I'm tempted to illegally download pirated version of this series this instant and read it until physical copies arrive.
Although I'm a bit dissuaded by this review, since you and I are basically book twins when it comes to opinions (I started writing onions and that got me thinking: what is your opinion on onions? Answer to that question is not mandatory. :D)
Where was I? Ah, yes, I was leaving. :D
You can read the first one, it was gloriously scary. Then, if you like it, just be a wise and responsible adult and just stop. I can send you my copies!
The answer to onion is: caramelised.
And of course Mr de Vries is a demigod. :D
The answer to onion is: caramelised.
And of course Mr de Vries is a demigod. :D
Your part about the diversity and casualness of sex is one of the reason why I've kept away from this book. I read another review and some of the thing she mentioned were very WTF for me. Besides, I can't take psychopathic MC either. Broken, yes. Sociopath, no.
That is a very important issue you raise, Sarah. I wouldn't call Baru broken regardless how much I'd love to do that (she has a spine and a frightening drive to exact her revenge and broken people are not capable of these). And while I understand Author's design to show how the system malformed Baru, he truly achieves a monstrosity that is inhuman in all the psychological entirety.
As for the social millieu, I was able to appreciate it because the previous book had such a distinct dystopian flavour. It was really something of a nightmare-ish quality. This instalment attempts to normalise mutually exclusive extremes and fails miserably.
As for the social millieu, I was able to appreciate it because the previous book had such a distinct dystopian flavour. It was really something of a nightmare-ish quality. This instalment attempts to normalise mutually exclusive extremes and fails miserably.
It's sad to read the special snowflake issues remained in this one. That was one of my biggest issues with the original. It gave Baru a YA-vibe in a book that is otherwise very much NOT YA.
Erik wrote: "It's sad to read the special snowflake issues remained in this one. That was one of my biggest issues with the original. It gave Baru a YA-vibe in a book that is otherwise very much NOT YA."
You are very right my friend. Shame all the more, especially that this had such a tremendous potential...
You are very right my friend. Shame all the more, especially that this had such a tremendous potential...
Mayim wrote: "You can read the first one, it was gloriously scary. Then, if you like it, just be a wise and responsible adult and just stop. I can send you my copies!
The answer to onion is: caramelised.
And ..."
I remember me thinking the first one was a new YA book currently every angsty teenager screams about for about three months, and then I saw you praising it, and I remember thinking: there she goes. Out of her mind. We have lost May. :D (because I love judging people older than 18 who are reading YA, yes I do, and I enjoy it! :D)
I'm glad I'm wrong on both accounts.
Forget the copies. Send Margaritas! :PP:D
And those caramelized onions.
Keep the husband. :D:D
The answer to onion is: caramelised.
And ..."
I remember me thinking the first one was a new YA book currently every angsty teenager screams about for about three months, and then I saw you praising it, and I remember thinking: there she goes. Out of her mind. We have lost May. :D (because I love judging people older than 18 who are reading YA, yes I do, and I enjoy it! :D)
I'm glad I'm wrong on both accounts.
Forget the copies. Send Margaritas! :PP:D
And those caramelized onions.
Keep the husband. :D:D
Are you kidding me! I love a good YA, it's kind of a guilty pleasure but still I do enjoy it. And there are decent YA books out there. There are even decent YA protagonists. Surely, most of those were written before YA has wrought havoc (particularly in the fantasy genre) but even now you can find some.
The main thing was: Baru felt fresh. Or at least refreshing. And smart. How often do we get a smart protagonist? (give me the titles, I will be happy to read!) And Baru wasn't stupid. I liked that.
You got me thinking I needed some Margaritas to go through this one and then maybe the rating would be different. Obviously, I'll blame Mr de Vries because the only thing he keeps at home is Campari!
The main thing was: Baru felt fresh. Or at least refreshing. And smart. How often do we get a smart protagonist? (give me the titles, I will be happy to read!) And Baru wasn't stupid. I liked that.
You got me thinking I needed some Margaritas to go through this one and then maybe the rating would be different. Obviously, I'll blame Mr de Vries because the only thing he keeps at home is Campari!
"a good YA" - tis but a myth! :D
OK, give me the names of those good ones. For my daughter in the future, khm, khm. :D :D
Smart protagonist is often there where authors weren't lazy, of course. Give me a sec, I'll remember some of them.
Hahahaha, now that's a guilty pleasure! :D:D
OK, give me the names of those good ones. For my daughter in the future, khm, khm. :D :D
Smart protagonist is often there where authors weren't lazy, of course. Give me a sec, I'll remember some of them.
Hahahaha, now that's a guilty pleasure! :D:D
Aside from the fact that I loved both the Hunger Games and the Divergent (yes, yes, feel free to judge), and oh The Red Rising for that matter, the books you can safely recommend to your daughter when she reaches the age when vulnerability to things like Sarah J. Maas or Cassandra Clark becomes and issue: Howl's Moving Castle, Sabriel and Frances Hardinge in general Fly by Night in particular.
...you...you really expected Baru to be relatable/nerdy?
"Diversity for the sake of diversity is a sham" --> what a fantastically useless cliche. If we were to pluck someone from Nepal, someone from Sub-Sahara Africa, someone from Peru, and someone from the Southern United States and talk gender constructs, they may seem alien to each other and we wouldn't bat an eye at the difference. Take characters from different regions in a fantasy world and juxtapose them (the Laman with a fluid notion of gender, Baru who has a less-fluid notion of her sexuality) and suddenly the differences between these cultural worldviews is unbelievable?
That's not a book problem, that's a reader problem.
"I want to eat a heart…I want a tender deer-heart, cut out raw and still trembling, all its lobes spread out like a butterfly and slathered in cream and simmered over low coals.” --> preeeeettty sure this is something the Taranoke people did.
Finally: I feel like this criticism ignores the fact that authors have to do some pretty hefty plot revisions when the publishers say "we want this to be bigger than you initially envisioned it."
Is it what you expected? No. It wasn't what I expected, either. There're gonna be tonal shifts, unexpected moves, etc when an author has to double the size of a narrative in their head. Weird stuff is bound to happen. But that doesn't mean the author failed. It means the work is no longer what had been initially envisioned because of real-world economics. Do the unexpected plot devices offer new possibilities? Do they create space for the narrative to become more than the initial narrative intended?
"Diversity for the sake of diversity is a sham" --> what a fantastically useless cliche. If we were to pluck someone from Nepal, someone from Sub-Sahara Africa, someone from Peru, and someone from the Southern United States and talk gender constructs, they may seem alien to each other and we wouldn't bat an eye at the difference. Take characters from different regions in a fantasy world and juxtapose them (the Laman with a fluid notion of gender, Baru who has a less-fluid notion of her sexuality) and suddenly the differences between these cultural worldviews is unbelievable?
That's not a book problem, that's a reader problem.
"I want to eat a heart…I want a tender deer-heart, cut out raw and still trembling, all its lobes spread out like a butterfly and slathered in cream and simmered over low coals.” --> preeeeettty sure this is something the Taranoke people did.
Finally: I feel like this criticism ignores the fact that authors have to do some pretty hefty plot revisions when the publishers say "we want this to be bigger than you initially envisioned it."
Is it what you expected? No. It wasn't what I expected, either. There're gonna be tonal shifts, unexpected moves, etc when an author has to double the size of a narrative in their head. Weird stuff is bound to happen. But that doesn't mean the author failed. It means the work is no longer what had been initially envisioned because of real-world economics. Do the unexpected plot devices offer new possibilities? Do they create space for the narrative to become more than the initial narrative intended?
Hi Jacob, thanks for taking the time to read my review. I did expect I would still be able to have a connection with her, just like the one I had in the previous book. I was rooting for Baru every single page, I was her personal cheerleader and a singular groupie. This was not the case this time, alas.
I am all for the Author surprising me, but surprises (like diversity) come in many guises: some are good and some are bad. These were bad and worse, disappointing. Personal differences among the readers notwithstanding (I don't think we will agree on the diversity point so I am not even trying to discuss it with you). I understand there was a need to shuffle the arcs, insert new things to account for the bloated pagecount and so forth. Well, sorry, didn't work. More doesn't always mean better. Something neither the publishers nor the authors seem to appreciate as they are too busy counting the money (I think they should learn few things from Baru in that regard).
I am all for the Author surprising me, but surprises (like diversity) come in many guises: some are good and some are bad. These were bad and worse, disappointing. Personal differences among the readers notwithstanding (I don't think we will agree on the diversity point so I am not even trying to discuss it with you). I understand there was a need to shuffle the arcs, insert new things to account for the bloated pagecount and so forth. Well, sorry, didn't work. More doesn't always mean better. Something neither the publishers nor the authors seem to appreciate as they are too busy counting the money (I think they should learn few things from Baru in that regard).
>.> Your central argument appears to be that the elements that are diverse--gender/sex-as-culturally-contingent-constructs, diets/rituals alien to our sensibilities (deer hearts), a predominantly-female cast of badass warriors, a high-stakes power broker being unrelatable/difficult to empathize with from our comparatively safe worldviews, endocannibalism--are bad because they aren't comfortable. I agree that we'll disagree on the diversity gambits in the narrative--but let's not make that point a parenthetical. Calling Dickinson and the publisher greedy because Dickinson took the story into territory you're uncomfortable with is a disingenuous way to shift the subject from your reality as a reader.
No, my central argument is that while I get the nature versus culture debate, I don't find it convincing. Plus, Jacob, I wish you'd respect and acknowledge my disclaimer that I do not wish to discuss with you my objections concerning the book's approach to diversity because it is obvious for me that our ontologies differ quite dramatically and the only thing we can do is to accept pluralism of opinions (that is, unless such diversity is an anathema to you).
The point concerning, as you termed it, 'greed' referred to your earlier remarks about the necessity to shift and shuffle themes and tropes to accommodate the growth from 2 to 4 books. Thus, I am not changing the subject, I am merely responding to the points you raised.
The point concerning, as you termed it, 'greed' referred to your earlier remarks about the necessity to shift and shuffle themes and tropes to accommodate the growth from 2 to 4 books. Thus, I am not changing the subject, I am merely responding to the points you raised.
Two things I never understood here are people dependent of someone else's opinion to form their own choices about reading something or not;
and people who can't cope the idea that, maybe, we're not reading books for same reasons, hence we won't be able to form same opinions of it.
If that was the case, I would read every Sanderson's five star book, even though I despise the author, and when I do read one of his books, I would go on every single five star review, raving how people misunderstood his shit for greatness.
Luckily, I have so many choices...
Anyhow.
OK, HG was a decent series. As did Red Rising. So, I am guilty somewhat in enjoying YA past 18. :D And probably will buddy read those, so I'll be guilty once again, lol.
Hmm, Hovl's Moving Castle most definitely. The whole series, actually.
And I like that Fly By Night. Maybe I'll check it out before I past it to my girl. Khm, khm, just to be sure... yeah. :D
and people who can't cope the idea that, maybe, we're not reading books for same reasons, hence we won't be able to form same opinions of it.
If that was the case, I would read every Sanderson's five star book, even though I despise the author, and when I do read one of his books, I would go on every single five star review, raving how people misunderstood his shit for greatness.
Luckily, I have so many choices...
Anyhow.
OK, HG was a decent series. As did Red Rising. So, I am guilty somewhat in enjoying YA past 18. :D And probably will buddy read those, so I'll be guilty once again, lol.
Hmm, Hovl's Moving Castle most definitely. The whole series, actually.
And I like that Fly By Night. Maybe I'll check it out before I past it to my girl. Khm, khm, just to be sure... yeah. :D
Rob wrote: "I really didn't want to continue on with this series..and now...thank you I have reason not to :)"
Rob, the pleasure is mine! ;)
Rob, the pleasure is mine! ;)
Stefan Bach wrote: "Two things I never understood here are people dependent of someone else's opinion to form their own choices about reading something or not;
and people who can't cope the idea that, maybe, we're not..."
Yes, that. Imagine me going berserk under Gwynne's banner. :D
Anyhow, read Howl's, it is a superb novel. Smart, fresh, just one of a kind.
and people who can't cope the idea that, maybe, we're not..."
Yes, that. Imagine me going berserk under Gwynne's banner. :D
Anyhow, read Howl's, it is a superb novel. Smart, fresh, just one of a kind.
Even better. Going under Itkovian's banner made of child's skin.
"Behold! I yield to nothing!" :D:D
Oh, definitely. I have the entire series on my shelves. One of these days.
"Behold! I yield to nothing!" :D:D
Oh, definitely. I have the entire series on my shelves. One of these days.
While i disagree with a lot of your criticisms i still think 2 is very high rating for this book. That says something.
I checked your rating Lissafi, but there is no review. Let me know if you write one, I'll read it.
I gave two stars mainly for the writing style; I really think it's outstanding.
I gave two stars mainly for the writing style; I really think it's outstanding.
Chris wrote: "Your review is goddamn brilliant. You nailed so many of my gripes."
Hi Chris, I am glad I am not alone in my May-nority corner. :)
Hi Chris, I am glad I am not alone in my May-nority corner. :)
bookishdragon wrote: "...And I was looking forward to reading this...."
Believe me, this was one of my most anticipated reads in 2018...
Believe me, this was one of my most anticipated reads in 2018...
I'm glad I chose not to read your review before finishing this book and forming my own opinions. It's a real shame your review is scaring off people who may actually like the book, just by how vehemently you detailed your personal issues with this book.
Kayla wrote: "I'm glad I chose not to read your review before finishing this book and forming my own opinions. It's a real shame your review is scaring off people who may actually like the book, just by how vehe..."
Hi Kayla, non-personal reviews of books are called blurbs and people are usually paid to write them. :)
Hi Kayla, non-personal reviews of books are called blurbs and people are usually paid to write them. :)
What a great review!! Extremely well written. You express exactly what I felt about the book. When I posted my review when the book came out, everyone was giving it five-star ratings and I was afraid I read it wrong or something. So I'm glad there are people who share my opinion about it :)
I waited for this book to come out ever since I read Traitor, before it was even officially announced. I remember digging around twitter and other, unlikelier places just to glean some more information about it. I'm pretty sure I bought it the day it was released. It actually made me very upset. :(
I second the recommendation of the Dagger and the Coin. I don't think it's as good as Traitor, but it's still good and the sequels keep delivering.
I waited for this book to come out ever since I read Traitor, before it was even officially announced. I remember digging around twitter and other, unlikelier places just to glean some more information about it. I'm pretty sure I bought it the day it was released. It actually made me very upset. :(
I second the recommendation of the Dagger and the Coin. I don't think it's as good as Traitor, but it's still good and the sequels keep delivering.
Greg, thank you for stopping by! I usually only get comments from those who cannot help themselves but point out what a misguided reader I am. :D
Kayla wrote: "I'm glad I chose not to read your review before finishing this book and forming my own opinions. It's a real shame your review is scaring off people who may actually like the book, just by how vehemently you detailed your personal issues with this book"
Yes Mayim, why are you shackling rest of us, undecided potential readers so desperate of someone else's opinion to form our own, with your own heretic blabbering!?
I guess now I have no other choice than to read this book and form my own opinion.
And when I do that, be sure I'll come back here to give you my 2 cents on the matter, oh yes I will!
Hmpf!
God, I love this thread. :D
Yes Mayim, why are you shackling rest of us, undecided potential readers so desperate of someone else's opinion to form our own, with your own heretic blabbering!?
I guess now I have no other choice than to read this book and form my own opinion.
And when I do that, be sure I'll come back here to give you my 2 cents on the matter, oh yes I will!
Hmpf!
God, I love this thread. :D
Mayim wrote: "Be quiet, man. Or you will lure yet another crusader to this lost cause. :))"
Hahahaha, dear, we both know you don't need me yelling at idiocy within people around us.
They themselves come forth willingly. Especially when you challenge... whatever they feel challenged with your own opinion. :D
P.S. Let them come. I got you, fam. :D:D
Hahahaha, dear, we both know you don't need me yelling at idiocy within people around us.
They themselves come forth willingly. Especially when you challenge... whatever they feel challenged with your own opinion. :D
P.S. Let them come. I got you, fam. :D:D