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Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf
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it was amazing
bookshelves: for-kindle, wine-club, 2012, reviewed, thrill-me-chill-me-fulfill-me

Experiencing Mrs. Dalloway is like being a piece of luggage on an airport conveyor belt, traversing lazily through a crowd of passengers, over and around and back again, but with the added bonus of being able to read people’s thoughts as they pass; this one checking his flight schedule, that one arguing with his wife, the one over there struggling with her cart, bumping into those arguing and checking. For the most part, the ride is smooth as Woolf transitions from one consciousness to another. But at times, I find myself falling off the conveyor belt. Whether this is a result of my own inabilities or whether Woolf’s dreamy style leads me naturally astray into my own wanderings, I do not know. But I do know that the effort to get back onto her belt are handsomely rewarded.

In short, this novel contains some of the most beautiful writing I’ve ever seen in print e-ink (welcome to the 21st century, Mrs D). But although quoting long passages in a Goodreads review is not usually my modus operandi, I feel I must do so here just to demonstrate my point. Have you ever had your mind so preoccupied with “stuff” that sometimes a passing comment triggers a strange feeling of not quite right–ness, a feeling which stems from the ability of your subconscious to somehow absorb the comment even while the conscious part of your brain has not yet had time to process it? This happens to me all the time, and that nagging feeling persists until I find time to reflect on what has caused it. Here Woolf captures the moment perfectly:
But—but—why did she suddenly feel, for no reason that she could discover, desperately unhappy? As a person who has dropped some grain of pearl or diamond into the grass and parts the tall blades very carefully, this way and that, and searches here and there vainly, and at last spies it there at the roots, so she went through one thing and another; no, it was not Sally Seton saying that Richard would never be in the Cabinet because he had a second-class brain (it came back to her); no, she did not mind that; nor was it to do with Elizabeth either and Doris Kilman; those were facts. It was a feeling, some unpleasant feeling, earlier in the day perhaps; something that Peter had said, combined with some depression of her own, in her bedroom, taking off her hat; and what Richard had said had added to it, but what had he said? There were his roses. Her parties! That was it! Her parties! Both of them criticised her very unfairly, laughed at her very unjustly, for her parties. That was it! That was it!
Besides shedding light on my own strange neurosis, I think this passage also reveals something interesting about Clarissa Dalloway. Why do Peter’s comments about her being the perfect hostess bother her so much? Mrs. Dalloway often claims to be fortunate to have married a man who allows her to be independent, and to be grateful to have avoided a catastrophic marriage to one who would have stifled her. But to me, these are just rationalizations for her decision to marry someone with whom she does not share the kind of intimacy that she might have otherwise had. In a way, her parties have taken the place of that intimacy, though it is an intimacy on her terms—she is able to enjoy the company of her high society friends while still keeping them at a comfortable enough distance to shield them from learning too much about her. When Peter gently mocks her parties, it annoys her because it invariably results in her having to reconcile the sacrifices she has made in exchange for her current lifestyle.

Another noteworthy aspect of Woolf’s writing is her acute description of post-traumatic stress disorder. PTSD was not formally recognized until the 1970s, and even though documentation of symptoms was common in the 1940s when World War II veterans were being treated for “mental disturbances,” the fact that Woolf delves into this subject as early as 1925 is pretty profound. Back then, shell shock meant that you were suffering from a form of “exhaustion,” as if veterans of the Great War were no worse off than Britney Spears after a few too many nights out. In this regard, Septimus is a truly tragic character, a victim of a time and place without the resources to help him. His mental anguish seems also to mirror the sufferings of the unrelated Mrs. Dalloway. In fact, despite crossing paths in only the most abstract of ways, Clarissa and Septimus have quite a bit in common. They both struggle to balance their private lives against the need for social inclusion, they both internalize their emotions at the expense of personal relationships, and they both end up having to make difficult choices (albeit with drastically different outcomes) about their respective futures.

It’s true. Mrs. Dalloway offers remarkable insight into its characters and is certainly worth the effort. My only question is: does this conveyor belt stop here, or will it take me To the Lighthouse?

[September 2012 Update]
A recording of me reading this review can be found here.
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Reading Progress

April 17, 2011 – Shelved
April 7, 2012 – Shelved as: for-kindle
June 3, 2012 –
10.0% "Did it matter then, she asked herself, walking towards Bond Street, did it matter that she must inevitably cease completely; all this must go on without her; did she resent it; or did it not become consoling to believe that death ended absolutely?"
June 4, 2012 –
40.0% "Who's afraid of Mrs. Dalloway?"
June 9, 2012 –
80.0% "No, Septimus!"
Started Reading
June 10, 2012 – Finished Reading
December 18, 2012 – Shelved as: wine-club
December 18, 2012 – Shelved as: 2012
December 18, 2012 – Shelved as: reviewed
December 18, 2012 – Shelved as: thrill-me-chill-me-fulfill-me

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message 1: by Traveller (last edited Jun 10, 2012 01:02PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Traveller This is on my shortlist. As soon as I finish reading my current novel, I must at least start with this!

..so I can't comment on your review, and actually looked away when it seemed spoiler-ish. ..but I'm going to come back to your review once I've read this.


Jason I tried not to make it spoiler-ish.

This was a tough one for me to review, as it was not the easiest book in the world to read. The 4-star review is more of my response to it. I actually think the book itself merits the full 5 for its amazing prose and insight into the human condition. But like I said, I struggled a bit.

That said, I often find myself wondering months later why I rated a "3" instead of a "4", or a "5" instead of a "4" so I think the ratings are just nonsense, especially when assigned right after completion. This one will stay with me for a while...


Mary The hardest thing about reviewing this book is not quoting half of it! My copy is covered in pencil markings, there's just so much of everything in this book. Glad you liked it. I loved the Septimus storyline.


message 4: by Traveller (last edited Jun 10, 2012 01:20PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Traveller Jason wrote: "I often find myself wondering months later why I rated a "3" instead of a "4", or a "5" instead of a "4"..."

Yes, I know, eh? Sometimes, if I wait a bit, I want to change my rating either up or down. Often after I'd just read a book, the irritating bits are still fresh in my mind, so I give it a lower rating that I change my mind on once it's settled in my mind..

Other times, skimming through a book to refresh my memory, the writing seems so bad that I wonder how I could ever have given it a 4.

Sorry if I assumed there were spoilers, but I always look away if there's a possibility and I still need to read the book.

Well, I need to hurry up with it then, so that I can chat about it. :)


Jason Septimus broke my heart. That passage was exceptional for me, Mary, simply because that sort of thing happens to me all the time. I think I'm borderline OCPD, though, so maybe that explains it. :) It's just one tiny passage in the whole book but it struck me really profoundly.

Yay, we are Woolfies. :)


Mary Woolfies! :) I'd wear that on a t-shirt! To the Lighthouse is going to be my next Woolf I think


message 7: by Jason (last edited Jun 12, 2012 12:42PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jason Traveller wrote: "Well, I need to hurry up with it then, so that I can chat about it."

For me, the ratings are fine but they're assigned prematurely. Sometimes I think a book is "meh" but 5 years later, I'm still talking about it. Other times, I think I love it and yet I find it slowly fades into mental oblivion...

Yes, do read this. You might want to take Elizabeth and Mary's advice (as they were identical!), which is that if you find yourself struggling with the modernist prose, try starting over. It often works better the second time through.


Meredith Holley Jason wrote: "Yes, do read this. You might want to take Elizabeth and Mary's advice (as they were identical!), which is that if you find yourself struggling with the modernist prose, try starting over."

I always have to just push through, pretend it's on audio, and not worry if I don't get something. It usually comes to me at the very end, and the I want to re-read the whole thing from the beginning.

Orlando is my favorite, but To the Lighthouse is really beautiful, too.


Traveller Re modernist prose: Sigh.

I often have a problem keeping track of the timeline in modernist plot structures, but if this is more accessible than The Waves I guess I'll be ok... :P


message 10: by Jason (last edited Jun 10, 2012 01:40PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jason It isn't the timeline I struggled with, it was the pronouns. Ha! Sometimes she jumped to a different character's consciousness and I was all, wait who does she mean by "he" ?

The timeline is easy. It's all a single day-in-the-life. Anything that discusses any other "time" is simply a memory of it and I think that's made pretty obvious.


Meredith Holley I did this mediation training, and one of the cool things they talked about was monochronic versus polychronic thinking styles, and how difficult it is for the two types of thinking to communicate with each other. Monochronic is very linear, chronological, one step leads to another. Polychronic has multiple things all existing at once and coming together to form a whole. I guess attorneys often struggle with mediation because law school and most of the work they do is so monochronic-focused, but clients, and especially clients in mediation, tend to tell stories in a polychronic way.

This isn't totally on topic, I guess, but when I read something of Woolf's, or like recently reading Swann's Way, I sort of have to give up my focus on being monochronic. And I am SUPER monochronic, like, to the point where I get really literal and people make fun of me. But, it is fun to see life through a polychronic perspective sometimes.


Jason Are you enjoying Proust?


message 13: by Meredith (last edited Jun 10, 2012 01:56PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Meredith Holley Oh I loved Swann's Way. It made me super angry and depressed at one point, but I loved it. A lot. I have to wait to go to the second because (1) I just needed a break, and (2) I am too busy to invest in another book I am going to care about right now.


Kelly I would also recommend Orlando next, though it's very different from Mrs. Dalloway. It's one of the most loving and incisive books I've read, both at once. I liked your conveyor belt imagery, you are definitely carried along by Woolf's prose in a sort of inevitable way that that implies.

It's funny, because Woolf is so cerebral and works through things in such an analytical fashion (except for Orlando, which is its own exception) but it seems like the reaction to her is so strong because that analyticalness captures feelings. She's so good.

(Sorry, please return to Proust!)


Meredith Holley But, I think Orlando is so analytical, too! I mean, demonstrating mastery of the entire history of English prose, and still presenting an engaging story / love letter? It totally blows my mind.

It is definitely different than Dalloway, though. A lot more monochronic. Like me!


message 16: by Kelly (last edited Jun 10, 2012 02:51PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly I agree that Orlando is analytical, but the motivations for it feel so different. Yes, Vita gets slapped a few times, I agree, and she gets her barbs in. But demonstrating mastery, in that case, was to make it sing, you know? Not to chop it into little pieces.


Meredith Holley Oh, that makes sense, I think. Do you mean, it is more summary and less piece-by-little-piece?


message 18: by Kelly (last edited Jun 10, 2012 02:55PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly Hmmm. I don't know if I mean that. I may have said that wrong. I think I meant more that Orlando feels like an invocation, like she's building something upwards from the ground until you know why to celebrate it, whereas Mrs. Dalloway is about pulling apart the fabric to see what its made of, you know? Working backwards.


Meredith Holley Huh, that is funny. I think I feel the opposite. But, maybe I am still looking at what you're saying wrong. Dalloway and Lighthouse feel like pointilism to me, and I'm standing super close to the painting until the very end, when she steps me back and lets me see the whole of what was happening. Orlando feels like an action movie about English literature, where I know what's going to happen the whole time, but it is still fun to see it go down (and I get that it is kind of weird to make that analogy because I haven't actually seen the movie).

But, I could also see how all of these would be really different things to different people. Like, I haven't read Dalloway in forever, but on Jason's comment here:

Mrs. Dalloway often claims to be fortunate to have married a man who allows her to be independent, and to be grateful to have avoided a catastrophic marriage to a man who would have stifled her. To me, that is ridiculous.

it strikes me that I would never take seriously a woman saying how fortunate she is to have one kind of husband because I think those comments always seem laced with regret. But, I can see how the story lets you do what you will with believing or disbelieving.


message 20: by Kelly (last edited Jun 10, 2012 04:08PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly Dalloway and Lighthouse feel like pointilism to me, and I'm standing super close to the painting until the very end, when she steps me back and lets me see the whole of what was happening.

Oh that's interesting. To me, it sounds like we are appreciating a lot of the same things in those two, just looking at it differently. I definitely agree that we're seeing all the little pieces, I guess I just process it as finally getting down to the bottom or to the tiniest pieces of a bigger thing that tell you how it all works, where you see a pull back and a pan out shot. It's funny the way that our minds process information so differently! I think I totally get what you're saying about Dalloway though.

Orlando... hmmm. I think I see what you're saying about an action movie sort of. I think my experience of reading it was slightly different than others though because I didn't relax and enjoy the fun, which sometimes makes me feel like I missed out. For me... that whole book felt like she was explaining to me how magic worked but also working magic at the same time so that there was a spell cast by the end and even though I knew there was a man behind the curtain I fell for it anyway with my eyes open. I don't know. I can't explain it any better, I fail.

That's interesting about the husband comment. I think that that applies to Mrs. Dalloway to a ceratin extent. But I don't know if I agree that it applies in all circumstances. Maybe for very self-aware people it doesn't. But sometimes people are genuinely learning about themselves long into their marriages and only later looking at their lives and surveying what works and what doesn't, too.


message 21: by Kelly (last edited Jun 10, 2012 04:02PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly Sorry, a lot of that was rambly! Oops.


Jason Kelly wrote: "Sorry, a lot of that was rambly! Oops."

Don't be sorry! I love what Sparrow says right here: "...it strikes me that I would never take seriously a woman saying how fortunate she is to have one kind of husband because I think those comments always seem laced with regret..."

This is exactly what I mean by those same comments. It's like, when your friend tells you how happy things are at home and you're all "I'm glad to hear it!" but then he says it again...and again...and it doesn't take long before you start thinking, yeah okay, dude's not really happy.


Jason I don't know if this falls into Kelly's fabric layers or Sparrow's camera angles theory, but either way, there's definitely a lot of regret there. Which is also funny cuz I think I just wrote the same thing on Kelly's review. Sorry, Kelly!


Kelly Ha, great minds! But yes, I would agree if someone says it repeatedly over and over its probably a sign of what Sparoww is saying. I guess I'm just trying to point out that if someone makes that comment once, it doesn't have to mean that necessarily!

And hey, no problem! The more Dalloway discussions, the better! :)


Meredith Holley Kelly wrote: "To me, it sounds like we are appreciating a lot of the same things in those two, just looking at it differently."

Yes! So cool how different minds take things in differently.

Kelly wrote: "Maybe for very self-aware people it doesn't. But sometimes people are genuinely learning about themselves long into their marriages and only later looking at their lives and surveying what works and what doesn't, too."

I think this is definitely true, and I for sure meant in the sense that Jason is referring to, where the fact that a person is commenting about it at all seems like it reveals that they have felt or do feel nostalgic for a different life. And I don't mean that in a critical way. I think everyone feels that about their life in one way or another. I think it is kind of human and beautiful. It is hard to admit our self-doubts, I think, and those kind of comments can be a window into some kind of really human self-doubt.


Kelly Oh okay, then we're on the same page!

Wow, Sparrow! You are awesome to disagree (but apparently not really) with. Let's disagree more often! :)


Meredith Holley haha! I love disagreeing! I am so boring alone with no other opinions around.


message 28: by Kelly (last edited Jun 10, 2012 05:06PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kelly Okay! I am going to put picking a fight with you on my schedule! We'll have a grand old time!

... of course the problem is I agree with you about so many novels. Damn. Well, there's always Hemingway! Finally, he's good for something! BOOM! ;)


message 29: by Meredith (last edited Jun 10, 2012 05:07PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Meredith Holley Haha! Sounds awesome! Hemingway <3! It's a plan. You pick the place, and I'll be there with my tap shoes on.


message 30: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus Traveller wrote: "Re modernist prose: Sigh.

I often have a problem keeping track of the timeline in modernist plot structures, but if this is more accessible than The Waves I guess I'll be ok... :P"


Oh GODDESSES The Waves! Oh no oh poop oh dear no no no To the Lighthouse is so so so so so much better than that! I like it a teensy bit less than Mrs. Dalloway. But the bit is teensy.

I would like to suggest to y'all voyagers into Woolfiana that you read Jacob's Room after Mrs. Dalloway and follow that up with To the Lighthouse.

*envious sigh* I wish, Jason, I could encounter the book for the first time again now, when I'm her age. But reading your very well-made review gives me a strong flavor of a mature person's first-time response. Thank you for that. It makes one of my all-time-top-ten-life-list-fave-rave books fresh again.


Traveller I'm eavesdropping on a wonderful conversation here. :)

I just wish I'd explored Woolf earlier in my life, but rather late than never, eh?


Jason Traveller, I'd almost argue one could appreciate this work more in their um, upper years. Especially as the novel is essentially a reflection on one's life at middle age.

Sorry, Richard, somehow I missed your comment. I'm glad you enjoyed the review! But please don't refer to me as a "mature person"—more often than not I'm a fucking 15 year-old with a 401(k).


message 33: by Richard (new)

Richard Derus So long as you're not fucking a 15-yr-old, all is well.


Steve I liked your sentient baggage analogy. It makes me wonder what a bag encountering you might pick up. “Whoa, this dude actually gets it. He knows that we know. It’s like a mirror reflecting another mirror where we’re both conscious of each other’s consciousness. What’s more, he’s thinking right now how he can use us to explain Virginia Woolf. Well, good luck with that.”

Looks like you got a lot out of this one’s subtleties, Jason. Great review – and great comments from the Woolfies afterwards. I need to get some more of her insightful writing in my life. Sounds like To the Lighthouse is the way to go after poor dear Clarissa.

I’ll close with one small bone to pick. It seems like you’re minimizing the traumatic effects of too many nights out Spears style.


Daniel Well said, sir!


message 36: by Jason (last edited Jun 11, 2012 08:58AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jason You always have the best comments, Steve. I know you didn't exactly fall head-over-heels with Woolf the first time you read her, but it may have just been a case of "wrong book, wrong time" or what not. Maybe if you gave her a second chance...

But seriously, thanks for the kind words. That means a lot.

And yes, those Woolfies are very supportive! I should thank Elizabeth and Mary specifically for their input.


Jason Daniel wrote: "Well said, sir!"

Thank you, Dan!


message 38: by mark (new)

mark monday nice review for a wonderful novel. i read this one right before reading Hawkes' The Cannibal, and found many unsettling parallels & counterpoints between the two.

hey what does your shelf title "wine club" mean? for some reason i am imagining friends who get together and talk about books, over wine. probably has nothing to do with that. but nonetheless i find myself suddenly envious.


message 39: by Jason (last edited Jun 14, 2012 03:35AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jason mark wrote: "hey what does your shelf title "wine club" mean? for some reason i am imagining friends who get together and talk about books, over wine. probably has nothing to do with that. but nonetheless i find myself suddenly envious."

Actually, that is what it is. It started off with some college friends who got together on a Saturday afternoon for some wine tasting and book-talking, and so I started a group on GR for it.


Jason Which anyone is welcome to join, btw. :)


Jason Thank you, Elizabeth. I appreciate your comments. You are like my Woolf-mentor!


Kelly And you've inspired a lot of it! I know I wouldn't have picked up Woolf again without you. Best Woolf cheerleader ever.

Speaking of which, I really do have to read The Voyage Out...


Jason Jacob and Moira might have a point about ratings...but only to a point. I think they're right that ratings shouldn't be used to compare one book to another. And I also agree that it should be more about the review than the rating, which better elucidates the reader's reaction to the book. But it's also not arbitrary, either, so they shouldn't be applied haphazardly. My only issue with a rating is that it's often given too soon. I finished this book like, 3 or 4 books ago. Or maybe less, I don't know. All I know is it's been weeks and I can't get it out of my mind. 4-star books don't do that to me.

This is a 5.


Jason There needs to be a period of delay before a rating is assigned. At least for me!


message 45: by Jacob (last edited Jun 28, 2012 12:22PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jacob Jason wrote: "My only issue with a rating is that it's often given too soon. I finished this book like, 3 or 4 books ago. Or maybe less, I don't know. All I know is it's been weeks and I can't get it out of my mind. 4-star books don't do that to me."

Good point. I might have to try it that way--withhold a rating at first, and only add stars later, if it's one of those "still thinking about it several weeks and books later" types of book. But just those. Five-star books (and one-star books, occasionally) should be recognized; the less-memorable ones should stay unrated.

And now I suppose I really do need to read this...


Jason Jacob wrote: "And now I suppose I really do need to read this..."

+1 !!


Traveller Nice, Jason, nice! Thank you for the insights you share!(I know i commented before, but since this has come up again, by now i feel can comment yet again.. XD)

You expressed quite an imaginative way of describing the feeling one gets while reading Woolf's brand of stream-of-consciousness with this novel, i must say.

Quite a lot of commentary can slip by in her narration, i have found, almost unnoticed because of the almost dreamlike state it eventually induces in you. I found i had to, er.. collect myself every now and then.
(Ah, i see that Liberty commented on something similar above . (I think) )


Jason [September 2012 Update]
A recording of me reading this review can be found here, as part of Bird Brian’s The Big Audio Project.

(Ugh, how did I get roped into this??)


message 49: by Kris (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kris Jason wrote: "[September 2012 Update]
A recording of me reading this review can be found here, as part of Bird Brian’s The Big Audio Project.

(Ugh, how did I get roped into this??)"


:)


Jason Kris wrote: ":)"

Ah, that's right. I remember now. ;)


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