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The Myth of Sisyphus and Other Essays
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One of the things I’ve been thinking a lot about lately is the question of whether it is better to have no hope at all, or to be constantly confronted with dashed hope. There are certainly parts of my life that I have structured so as to ensure that I have no hope at all – that is, that I live my life in such a way that it is impossible for certain things to ever happen, and those are things that otherwise I would desire intensely – and in large part that is because ‘dashed hope’ was proving far too much for me to really live with.
Now, that is part of the reason why I thought I would read this book. The myth of Sisyphus is surely one of the better examples of having to live constantly with dashed hope, and so I was hoping (all very ironic, when you think about it) that this book might provide some answers or guidance. This series of essays basically ends with Camus telling the story of the myth – which I found a bit unexpected, as I might have thought he would have started here. But in fact, this myth is sort of the punch line to the series of ideas he is discussing mostly related to suicide.
His main point is the assertion that life is fundamentally absurd. We generally don’t recognise this absurdity – life presents patterns and ways of being that we enact, rather than think about, and so one day follows another. It is only when we pause and think ‘what is the point?’ that the real absurdity of life becomes overwhelming. It is for this reason that Camus says that the only real question of philosophy is ‘why do I not commit suicide?’ – this does seem a rather predictable response to the ‘it is all meaningless anyway’ problem.
I think of this argument as being somewhat an argument with religion and so a sort of ‘first generation atheist’ problem. In the sense that religious people often say stuff like – ‘if life is so meaningless, why don’t you just kill yourself then?’ To which, I presume, the answer is, ‘five more minutes of stupid bloody questions like that and I might welcome it’. As an atheist who has never felt or even felt the need for eternal life, that level of ‘confronted meaningless of life’ has never really bothered me. The absurdity that Camus speaks of is, as he more or less admits himself, an abstract conception outside of the actual living of life. While we are living life, such absurdity is basically impossible to acknowledge – so, the answer, it seems, is just to get back to living life and shut up.
Anyway, you have a great big rock and your task is to push it to the top of the mountain. You never quite get it there. It always rolls back down to the bottom. And on the trip back down the mountain to start pushing the rock back up again, surely you must say to yourself – ‘god, no, not this shit again…’ Which is part of the reason why this is a ‘punishment’. Camus’s response is to say that Sisyphus has to approach his task with a happy heart, despite knowing it is pointless, absurd, meaningless. It is his only refuge from suicide.
Right. But, I’m not sure how well that would keep me from committing suicide, this sort of ‘whistle while you work’ idea. We are not told what reward Sisyphus has been promised if he were to get the rock to the top of the mountain. Presumably, Camus has decided that this is immaterial as Sisyphus would soon realise that was never going to happen. For this reason I find the myth of Tantalus more immediately confronting of the issues I actually want to grapple with. It is completely obvious what Tantalus desires – he is hungry and thirsty – and all around him there is food and drink. But he is never able to satisfy his hunger or thirst. He is surrounded by what he desires, and knows he has no hope of ever satisfying them. This is what I mean about the choice between no hope and dashed hope. For Tantalus, desire is all – but he constantly must live with his desires going unfulfilled, with his hopes being dashed. I don’t know that this is a sustainable way to live one’s life – when it becomes clear to me that my desires will be constantly dashed, that is one of the hardest things I can think of. I’ve worked in jobs as meaningless as Sisyphus’s, boredom I can cope with. Dashed desire is quite another matter. And so, I believe Tantalus is likely to seek to blind himself to his desires. I am not sure how successfully one is able to do this – desire and hope find ways to sneak in while we are unguarded, they find ways to tempt us, despite our will and our reason, but we are soon punished yet again for these hopes and desires in much the same way Tantalus was.
As I said, I had hoped Camus would have discussed these issues – the issues of dashed hope and how to actually live with them. For Camus, Sisyphus is the most proletarian of the myths – something noted previously by Marx and Engels in relation to the meaninglessness of work under capitalist alienation of labour. If Sisyphus is a myth illuminating the horrors of capitalist production – surely Tantalus is the myth that does so for capitalist consumption. We are drowning in desires that can never be satisfied, and are never meant to be satisfied. And yet, we seem to constantly choose thwarted desire over abandoned hope every time – despite our repeated experience, despite the pain of that experience. Perhaps it is because we simply could not live in Dante’s hell – where all hope is abandoned – and so any alternative is preferable?
If you do decide to read this, I recommend you notice when Camus talks about rocks – given what Sisyphus got up to in his day job, this talk of rocks is always something worth considering and worrying over, always worth noticing.
Now, that is part of the reason why I thought I would read this book. The myth of Sisyphus is surely one of the better examples of having to live constantly with dashed hope, and so I was hoping (all very ironic, when you think about it) that this book might provide some answers or guidance. This series of essays basically ends with Camus telling the story of the myth – which I found a bit unexpected, as I might have thought he would have started here. But in fact, this myth is sort of the punch line to the series of ideas he is discussing mostly related to suicide.
His main point is the assertion that life is fundamentally absurd. We generally don’t recognise this absurdity – life presents patterns and ways of being that we enact, rather than think about, and so one day follows another. It is only when we pause and think ‘what is the point?’ that the real absurdity of life becomes overwhelming. It is for this reason that Camus says that the only real question of philosophy is ‘why do I not commit suicide?’ – this does seem a rather predictable response to the ‘it is all meaningless anyway’ problem.
I think of this argument as being somewhat an argument with religion and so a sort of ‘first generation atheist’ problem. In the sense that religious people often say stuff like – ‘if life is so meaningless, why don’t you just kill yourself then?’ To which, I presume, the answer is, ‘five more minutes of stupid bloody questions like that and I might welcome it’. As an atheist who has never felt or even felt the need for eternal life, that level of ‘confronted meaningless of life’ has never really bothered me. The absurdity that Camus speaks of is, as he more or less admits himself, an abstract conception outside of the actual living of life. While we are living life, such absurdity is basically impossible to acknowledge – so, the answer, it seems, is just to get back to living life and shut up.
Anyway, you have a great big rock and your task is to push it to the top of the mountain. You never quite get it there. It always rolls back down to the bottom. And on the trip back down the mountain to start pushing the rock back up again, surely you must say to yourself – ‘god, no, not this shit again…’ Which is part of the reason why this is a ‘punishment’. Camus’s response is to say that Sisyphus has to approach his task with a happy heart, despite knowing it is pointless, absurd, meaningless. It is his only refuge from suicide.
Right. But, I’m not sure how well that would keep me from committing suicide, this sort of ‘whistle while you work’ idea. We are not told what reward Sisyphus has been promised if he were to get the rock to the top of the mountain. Presumably, Camus has decided that this is immaterial as Sisyphus would soon realise that was never going to happen. For this reason I find the myth of Tantalus more immediately confronting of the issues I actually want to grapple with. It is completely obvious what Tantalus desires – he is hungry and thirsty – and all around him there is food and drink. But he is never able to satisfy his hunger or thirst. He is surrounded by what he desires, and knows he has no hope of ever satisfying them. This is what I mean about the choice between no hope and dashed hope. For Tantalus, desire is all – but he constantly must live with his desires going unfulfilled, with his hopes being dashed. I don’t know that this is a sustainable way to live one’s life – when it becomes clear to me that my desires will be constantly dashed, that is one of the hardest things I can think of. I’ve worked in jobs as meaningless as Sisyphus’s, boredom I can cope with. Dashed desire is quite another matter. And so, I believe Tantalus is likely to seek to blind himself to his desires. I am not sure how successfully one is able to do this – desire and hope find ways to sneak in while we are unguarded, they find ways to tempt us, despite our will and our reason, but we are soon punished yet again for these hopes and desires in much the same way Tantalus was.
As I said, I had hoped Camus would have discussed these issues – the issues of dashed hope and how to actually live with them. For Camus, Sisyphus is the most proletarian of the myths – something noted previously by Marx and Engels in relation to the meaninglessness of work under capitalist alienation of labour. If Sisyphus is a myth illuminating the horrors of capitalist production – surely Tantalus is the myth that does so for capitalist consumption. We are drowning in desires that can never be satisfied, and are never meant to be satisfied. And yet, we seem to constantly choose thwarted desire over abandoned hope every time – despite our repeated experience, despite the pain of that experience. Perhaps it is because we simply could not live in Dante’s hell – where all hope is abandoned – and so any alternative is preferable?
If you do decide to read this, I recommend you notice when Camus talks about rocks – given what Sisyphus got up to in his day job, this talk of rocks is always something worth considering and worrying over, always worth noticing.
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Heavens, always an eyebrow-raising experience and education to read your reviews, Trevor. Thanks for such a considered, personal account.
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Thanks Karen - this one was harder to write than most. But it didn't make sense to not mention the point of reading the book in the first place.
Imagine so! Loved the opening para and guffawed at you pointing out 'the irony'... but these are truly questions I share, being a 'hope-monger' who persists in scheduling things 'to look forward to'...so yes, really resonated. And of course, I'll read it (as one of the Camus collection I have on my shelf; unread.).
Hi trevor,
read one of your reviews the other day and could not mind myself contemplating how insightful your claims are. The way in which you argument your standpoint through reason is close to flawless - at least to a young student as myself.
Then as I felt burdened by existential thoughts after reading about the existential movement I became intrigued to read something from Camus (even though he did not define himself as a existentialist per se). And once again I found your review.
Basically, I just wanted to thank you and let you know that your educated review will lead md through it!
read one of your reviews the other day and could not mind myself contemplating how insightful your claims are. The way in which you argument your standpoint through reason is close to flawless - at least to a young student as myself.
Then as I felt burdened by existential thoughts after reading about the existential movement I became intrigued to read something from Camus (even though he did not define himself as a existentialist per se). And once again I found your review.
Basically, I just wanted to thank you and let you know that your educated review will lead md through it!
Thanks for the great review.
I used to wonder how life would be like if no one ever had dashed hopes; how would it be like if we could always satiate whatever desire we had.
But there is something peculiar about our psychology. We quickly lose interest in predictable rewards. Randomness in the acquisition of rewards keeps us engaged. An unpredictable reward is downright addictive. It seems that we don't learn this behavior either, we might be genetically inclined. Even infants develop a different type of attachment to the always available soothing parent than the unpredictable and sometimes spiteful parent, in the latter case, they become more attached. You can find many more examples of this effect at work. This tendency is one of the fundamental concepts in designing addictive products. Now, to me, it seems that living in a world where no one has any dashed hopes is not as fulfilling as I'd think. The money would lose its value if everyone had lots of it. In such a world, I probably would lose interest in pursuing my hopes if I were absolutely sure I could achieve them. I may not even have any "hopes" anymore. I don't know if it helps you with coping with your dashed hopes; hopefully, I haven't misinterpreted your idea of dashed hopes. For me, it gives solace knowing that the alternative wouldn't have been nearly as good. The uncertainty excites me; the failure only elevates the value of success; the occasional success becomes a euphoric experience.
I used to wonder how life would be like if no one ever had dashed hopes; how would it be like if we could always satiate whatever desire we had.
But there is something peculiar about our psychology. We quickly lose interest in predictable rewards. Randomness in the acquisition of rewards keeps us engaged. An unpredictable reward is downright addictive. It seems that we don't learn this behavior either, we might be genetically inclined. Even infants develop a different type of attachment to the always available soothing parent than the unpredictable and sometimes spiteful parent, in the latter case, they become more attached. You can find many more examples of this effect at work. This tendency is one of the fundamental concepts in designing addictive products. Now, to me, it seems that living in a world where no one has any dashed hopes is not as fulfilling as I'd think. The money would lose its value if everyone had lots of it. In such a world, I probably would lose interest in pursuing my hopes if I were absolutely sure I could achieve them. I may not even have any "hopes" anymore. I don't know if it helps you with coping with your dashed hopes; hopefully, I haven't misinterpreted your idea of dashed hopes. For me, it gives solace knowing that the alternative wouldn't have been nearly as good. The uncertainty excites me; the failure only elevates the value of success; the occasional success becomes a euphoric experience.
Thanks Alireza. Sometimes I read messages added to the threads under my reviews at times when it it impossible to reply and then I spend the time between reading the comment and finally getting to reply wondering what I might say. This is the case here too. I agree, of course, that life without the possibility of dashed hopes would be unliveable - which is the point made in the last chapter of one of my favourite books by Barnes A History of the World in 10½ Chapters.
But then I was reading some fiction today by Murnane and I'm going to quote the passage that made me think of your comment in full. It probably doesn't really answer what you have said, but it is as close as I can think to come to an answer:
"During the long periods when I was solitary and without a girlfriend, I considered myself deprived and my prevailing mood was a sort of low-grade misery. And yet, my state of mind whenever I had a girlfriend, or while I was trying to acquire one, was no sort of improvement on the earlier state of mind and not at all what I had hoped for. The advantage of my being solitary was that things were settled and predictable. I read more and wrote more as a solitary and was able to become accustomed to my gloomy moods. Whenever I had a girlfriend, I lived in a permanent state of uncertainty. Even my free time was mostly given to wondering and speculating: what were her true feelings towards me? how long would it be before we fell out? But the worst hardship that my three short-term girlfriends caused me was my enforced absence from the races during our time together."
Something for the Pain: A memoir of the turf - Gerald Murnane
I guess one needs to know which hopes in life one is prepared to continue facing dashed hopes for and which hopes one is prepared to abandon to make life bearable. We all make these choices - perhaps some of us make certain ones too soon - it is hard to know either way.
But then I was reading some fiction today by Murnane and I'm going to quote the passage that made me think of your comment in full. It probably doesn't really answer what you have said, but it is as close as I can think to come to an answer:
"During the long periods when I was solitary and without a girlfriend, I considered myself deprived and my prevailing mood was a sort of low-grade misery. And yet, my state of mind whenever I had a girlfriend, or while I was trying to acquire one, was no sort of improvement on the earlier state of mind and not at all what I had hoped for. The advantage of my being solitary was that things were settled and predictable. I read more and wrote more as a solitary and was able to become accustomed to my gloomy moods. Whenever I had a girlfriend, I lived in a permanent state of uncertainty. Even my free time was mostly given to wondering and speculating: what were her true feelings towards me? how long would it be before we fell out? But the worst hardship that my three short-term girlfriends caused me was my enforced absence from the races during our time together."
Something for the Pain: A memoir of the turf - Gerald Murnane
I guess one needs to know which hopes in life one is prepared to continue facing dashed hopes for and which hopes one is prepared to abandon to make life bearable. We all make these choices - perhaps some of us make certain ones too soon - it is hard to know either way.
I just wonder sometime, how many people will suicide if right to suicide will sanction?
I imagine a dystopia, where the low class, middle class celebrate suicide as a rituals to escape from this meaningless world. This world is good if you are rich but the world's ghetto for poor.
In this 21st century we die in installments, like a slow sweet poison. We middle class are just the slaves of 10% rich people, their laws, their rules. They made us consume things, they dictate what we should wear, What is cool and uncool is all set by him.
We middle class are just puppets of rich class.
I am having existential episode, I don't find enough motivation to live.
I feel like I am not me, most of the time. I feel, I don't have my original views.
I am not able to control my ID, I am just puppet's my ID and If I repressed it, it come in some ugly ways that I don't wanted to...
Hey! Trevor. If you know some books that will cure my depression (5years), my existential crises. Please do recommend me.
I imagine a dystopia, where the low class, middle class celebrate suicide as a rituals to escape from this meaningless world. This world is good if you are rich but the world's ghetto for poor.
In this 21st century we die in installments, like a slow sweet poison. We middle class are just the slaves of 10% rich people, their laws, their rules. They made us consume things, they dictate what we should wear, What is cool and uncool is all set by him.
We middle class are just puppets of rich class.
I am having existential episode, I don't find enough motivation to live.
I feel like I am not me, most of the time. I feel, I don't have my original views.
I am not able to control my ID, I am just puppet's my ID and If I repressed it, it come in some ugly ways that I don't wanted to...
Hey! Trevor. If you know some books that will cure my depression (5years), my existential crises. Please do recommend me.
Dear Doctor
I’m not qualified to recommend you anything in this area and feel that I would recommend ideas based purely upon my own prejudices rather than on best clinical practice - and I think this is too serious for me to play around with. I can say it is not normal to feel depressed and that there is help available. Again, this is really not my area and I am terrified of giving you the wrong advice - but there are people who can help.
I’m not qualified to recommend you anything in this area and feel that I would recommend ideas based purely upon my own prejudices rather than on best clinical practice - and I think this is too serious for me to play around with. I can say it is not normal to feel depressed and that there is help available. Again, this is really not my area and I am terrified of giving you the wrong advice - but there are people who can help.
Thanks to the random Gods at GR this review caught my attention. I will read it again but after a first look I just want to convey my gratitude for your presentation. Some of the comments were also thought provoking, especially Alireza and Doctor (although it seems doctor is not a regular GR person with only the one comment and no books or friends) but his comment that we die in installments so nails it
The random gods of GR are strange beasts. Busy and lazy in equal measure. And you are right, dying in instalments is remarkably apt.
Please read Admiral Stockdale's piece "Courage under Fire" : It tells how he applied the Philosophy of Epictetus to help him endure and thrive as a POW in Vietnam for 8 1/2 years. He said the messages that did people in were the messages of cheery optimism.
"Seek nothing and shun nothing that depends upon others or you will remain a dependent helpless slave " Epictetus
"Seek nothing and shun nothing that depends upon others or you will remain a dependent helpless slave " Epictetus
Individualism has had a very long tradition. We are social animals, we are at out best when we understand how much we depend upon each other, it makes us more human rather than slaves. But I can definitely agree with the 'cheery optimism' conclusion. I recently started, and abandoned half way through, a book called Cruel Optimism with came to much the same conclusion.
The other thing in Admiral Stockdale's Piece is, as leader of the POW movement, he was most concerned about the guy in the cell next door. Epictetus Individualism has to do with not giving away your self-respect and dignity as a human cheaply.
"You are an integral piece of the puzzle of humanity " Epictetus
"You are an integral piece of the puzzle of humanity " Epictetus