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Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher
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oh god, somebody buy this girl some perspective! oh wait, you can't because she's dead. and i, for one, am glad of it because this character would have grown up to be a rotten judgmental schoolmarmy horrorshow of an adult. just horrible.

and people love this book like cookies!

backtrack. plot: a girl kills herself. but before she goes, she makes a series of audio cassettes and mails them to an individual, with instructions to pass them along to the next person mentioned on the tapes, which are a chronicle of all the things that were done to her that made her kill herself. it was because of you. and you. and you. the blame game, afterlife edition. what a dick, right?

and i understand the idea of cause and effect, and that teenagers of all people, need to be more conscious of the effects their actions have on the feeeeelings of others, and this book is meant to highlight that even the smallest things can have a profound effect on a person's life, but ugh - this character is appalling. and does she not realize the effect her accusations are going to have on the recipients of the tapes?? because it is a shitty thing to do when people can't defend themselves, particularly since the awful tragic things that happened to her are pretty standard stuff we have all been through. mostly. nothing suicide-worthy, frankly. and nothing to make other people feel shitty about for the rest of their lives.

when you are sitting on the same side of a booth at a diner with a boy on valentines day and you are laughing and you put your head on his shoulder and he puts his hand on your leg, that is not a problem, it is called flirtation. and if you don't like it, use your words, and if that doesn't work, get physical. which she does. and succeeds. so what's with all the boo-hoos?? that no one came to your rescue?? princess, no one is ever going to come to your rescue. you did what you were supposed to do - feel proud and call it a day. a somewhat shitty day, but no reason to kill yourself.

she basically uses her suicide to scold boys who have flirted with her or tried to hook up with her.or said she had a nice ass. these are teenagers! they are going to try to hook up with anything that is still breathing! i have dodged many an unwanted advance in my early years, and i have exhaustedly given in to others as the path of least resistance, but that's youth, right? chalk everything up to a learning experience and laugh about it in your adulthood.

are we supposed to feel that she is empowered for taking her life? because i don't. i fel like she had a normal sized problem that she willingly made a little bigger in a hot tub, but honestly, suburban new hampshire white girl, here is a book called push. go read that and tell me you have problems.

i know i gave this three stars, and it is because i did like the way the story was told, as a split-narrative between the transcripts of the tapes, and the voice of a boy who is one of the accused, as we wait for his part in it to unfold, as he wonders what she thinks he did to her (anticlimax, btw). but so as a plot-driven quasi-mystery book, it definitely held my interest, but the whole time, i couldn't help thinking what a brat she was and how unfair some of her accusations were, particularly to the narrator and the last recipient of the tapes. sheesh. brat.

(if she heard me say that, she would try really hard to come back to life so she could make me a tape telling me how i wounded her soul and then she would kill herself again to make me feel guilty. but i would not.)

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Reading Progress

September 22, 2010 – Started Reading
September 22, 2010 – Shelved
September 23, 2010 – Finished Reading

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Courtney I read this a year or so ago. I remember liking it.


Marzi Margo I have to read this for my Young Adult Fiction class later in the year. Should be interesting.


message 3: by [deleted user] (new)

Will we be getting a review?


Amber I've been really wanting to get a hold of this one


message 5: by Greg (new)

Greg I thought there would be a review waiting for me to read already! C'mon Brissette write that review while working, write!


karen ugh.. i am so far behind in my reviewing. and tomorrow i have bookclub!!

saturday, saturday, my friends...
this and fulk.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I wrote a really beautiful review of You Were Wrong in my head throughout the day today. It was earth-shattering, full of rich deepitudes, profoundly sad, funny and clever in equal measure. Come 'n' geddit!


karen okay, i rushed out a fulk review. now i am only 2 reviews behind...

sheesh. this place is dominating me.


message 9: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Sep 23, 2010 09:48PM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio karen wrote: "sheesh. this place is dominating me."

TWSS.

The review I want to write about You Were Wrong is partly about how bad types of overthinking are paralyzing and make you destroy your own ideas through rationalized laziness, etc., etc, which is all chortlingly meta and ironic and shit, considering my review-stalling.

But then also there's the sunny side up flip side about how overthinking can also create great art, etc., etc., help see things in new lights and so on, and how that's beautiful and important...

But instead I didn't write it. Yet.


message 10: by Krok Zero (new)

Krok Zero MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "karen wrote: "sheesh. this place is dominating me."

TWSS.

The review I want to write about You Were Wrong is partly about how bad types of overthinking are paralyzing and make you destroy your ow..."


Nice. Already better than mine even in its nascent stage.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio That's some well appreciated encouragement right there. Thanks for believing in me. Speaking of me, this just popped into my head, having (re)watched it (for the trillionth time -- still great) this morning:

"I'll miss you, me."


message 12: by Krok Zero (new)

Krok Zero Just noticed that Willips Brighton makes the same facial expressions while singing as the milk machine from The Joke: The Musical. #mrshowobservations


message 13: by Paquita Maria (last edited Sep 24, 2010 02:08PM) (new)

Paquita Maria Sanchez Hey Flesh/Krok, ever seen this? All Mr Show fans must witness its glory...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skch4z...


message 14: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine you tell those girls karen no princesses and boys get to touch legs!


karen boys get to touch legs if events leading up to leg-touching have been encouraging: laughter, conversation, previous flirtation.

i am not advocating drive-by leg touching without cause


message 16: by Greg (new)

Greg This might sound controversial, but I think most girls are just asking to have their legs touched. It's tough for a guy when it's like the legs are saying yes, but then you find out she is saying no.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio This book sounds so annoying. Teen-leg-touch-made-me-kill-myself? C'mon. (Though, that's a good shelf-title, methinks.) But in an over-the-top way, so maybe that's what made it entertaining enough to merit three stars, along with your appreciation of the structural mechanics of the thing.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Greg wrote: "This might sound controversial, but I think most girls are just asking to have their legs touched. It's tough for a guy when it's like the legs are saying yes, but then you find out she is saying no."

I'm growing increasingly confident that you really are VH1's resident seduction artist.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Kristi wrote: "Hey Flesh/Krok, ever seen this? All Mr Show fans must witness its glory...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skch4z..."


I love that video. I link it often. Usually when the subject of Teabaggers comes up.


message 20: by karen (last edited Sep 25, 2010 08:16AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

karen there is more to it, of course, but that was one of the thirteen reasons why. there is a fantastic review of it on here, but it has spoilers, so if you are planning on reading it, don't read this:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

this sums it up perfectly.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Wait, was she given 12 more unwelcome compliments from teenage boys?? I didn't know! I totally respect her decision to off herself now.


message 22: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine Greg wrote: "This might sound controversial, but I think most girls are just asking to have their legs touched. It's tough for a guy when it's like the legs are saying yes, but then you find out she is saying no."

you might not actually be a slut but you're wearing the uniform!


karen a couple of girls "let her down", too.

i know it's hard to believe - a fickle teenage girl - what are the odds?


message 24: by Greg (new)

Greg I say if women are going to freak out over a little leg grabbing then maybe they should just off themselves and leave a population of more girls who will get drunk, scream and show their boobies for beads, trinkets and t-shirts. I mean this in a non-sexist or objectifying way, of course.


karen did someone say trinkets??


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio I'm just mad because none of the boys in high school would take a hint and touch my leg and compliment my ass. She lived my dream and threw it all away. For shame.


message 27: by Greg (new)

Greg I might bring a few shiny trinkets to work today....


message 28: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Sep 25, 2010 08:38AM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio karen wrote: "did someone say trinkets??"

Ha! Pavlovianism Uber Alles.


karen baubles?


message 30: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Sep 25, 2010 08:57AM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "Greg wrote: "This might sound controversial, but I think most girls are just asking to have their legs touched. It's tough for a guy when it's like the legs are saying yes, but then you find out she is saying no."

I'm growing increasingly confident that you really are VH1's resident seduction artist."


See, the funny thing is that my immediate sarcastic comment response was going to be to call you a rapist in some hopefully humorous way (linking to a relevant Mr. Show sketch was a brief thought). But instead I just went with comparing you to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCUvx...

I just had a revelation: Pick-Up/Seduction Artists Are Just Failed Rapists. Think about it...


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0RLML...

How do you live with yourself when you find yourself paying for classes on "How to Succeed With Women"? This is depressing. Or hilarious. Depending on what angle I watch it from.


karen i don't know. i am going to go to work now.

heard there would be trinkets...


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Enjoy your trinkets and your shelving and customer servicing (twss) and goofing about with fun co-workers like Greg and Jazz...ing.


message 34: by Paquita Maria (last edited Sep 25, 2010 09:39AM) (new)

Paquita Maria Sanchez MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "I'm growing increasingly confident that you really are VH1's resident seduction artist."

I'm growing increasingly confident that Greg is this guy:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-liv...

...Don Draper, not the chick in the shower in the dove commercial..


message 35: by Paquita Maria (last edited Sep 25, 2010 09:43AM) (new)

Paquita Maria Sanchez MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "I'm just mad because none of the boys in high school would take a hint and touch my leg and compliment my ass. She lived my dream and threw it all away. For shame."

Yeah,it's so,like, frustrating and like, horrible when lots of boys like you and tell you how, like, hot and awesome you are like, all the time. TRUST ME I KNOW....huh huh, whew, boy I tell you, huh huh....yeaaaaaaaaah....


message 36: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "Enjoy your trinkets and your shelving and customer servicing (twss) and goofing about with fun co-workers like Greg and Jazz...ing."
just wait till I make her kill the guy who won't stop playing his bass ten feet from the fiction desk...

at least william got them to put the harmonica away.


message 37: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine update she was here two seconds and made them stop karen is win.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Karen IS win.

"just wait till I make her kill"

Jasmine is the Charlie Manson of The Flagship.


message 39: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine MyFleshSingsOut wrote: "

Jasmine is the Charlie Manson of The Flagship."


that is a definite possibility...
I mean I was already pushing attention away from myself by accusing greg.
mwahaha


message 40: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Sep 25, 2010 10:56AM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Wait a second here, people just waltz in and start panhandling in the store with instruments? I guess I believe that people are that unaware of basic social etiquette/possess that level of assholery.

A stand-up acoustic bass?


message 41: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine no that I would have let go. I don't know if they were expecting money. the sat down were super loud then one guy started playing the harmonica not at all well. I got annoyed and went to look for someone to get him to stop cause when I get really angry I don't talk to customers. while I was gone his friend took out an electric bass and started playing it. He did not plug it in but they are very loud even unpluged if you are trying to be loud. So I called a manager (william) and asked him to make them stop. he made the guy put away the harmonica and the bass guy agreed to be quiet and said they were leaving soon. 10 minutes later he started playing again. Karen made him put the bass away. They are still here.

there is a perfectly good park across the street.

but etiquette is not common in new york.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio It'd be funny if you carried a laptop towards them with a live video feed of me screaming at them to get the hell out. We'll use Skype so I can see them while I yell at them, too.

Well, weird at least, if not funny.


karen i don't think they wanted money. i think they were just unaware that it was not appropriate behavior.

if i was going to kill myself, i would send them audio cassettes telling them it was their fault.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Ha! Way to bring the thread back around to relevancy, karen.


message 45: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine I don't know how to use skype but I might learn for that.


karen they are finally gone.


message 47: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine A note on human decency. A customer actually just said to me:
"this is a store what do you mean I can't have my dog inside?"


message 48: by [deleted user] (new)

dogs arent allowed in B&N?


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Jasmine wrote: "A note on human decency. A customer actually just said to me:
"this is a store what do you mean I can't have my dog inside?""


Whoa!


message 50: by [deleted user] (new)

My dog will be allowed in, though, right?


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