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Ivanhoe
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bookshelves: historical-fiction, audiobook
Nov 04, 2014
bookshelves: historical-fiction, audiobook
Read 2 times. Last read May 17, 2022 to May 22, 2022.
Narration by David Rintoul: 5 stars
Story by Walter Scott: 3 stars-ish
Had so many conflicting feelings while re-reading this book after more than 30 years. And even after considering this carefully, I am still confused and would really like to be able to pick Scott's mind while he was writing this.
As a modern reader, I could say that this is a mixture of The Merchant of Venice, A Game of Thrones (without the dragons, the sex and the gore, lol, but nevertheless there is the struggle for power) and the movie A Knight's Tale and Robin Hood (the Errol Flynn version).
It is also an example of (non too accurate) historical fiction: Scott presents us a pastiche of some historical facts, lots of folklore and myth. Putting it into historical context: the novel was published in 1819, depicting the long gone period of 12th century England under the rule of Richard Lionheart viewed through the pink lens of romanticism.
I guess there were certainly some ideas and messages he intended to pass on to his contemporary readers (maybe along the line of "conciliation is better than fighting") and wanted them to draw some parallels between the "then" and the "now" for sure.
My biggest problem was with the eponymous hero, (Wilfred) Ivanhoe.
He is an archetype of the knight in shining armour. Scott hung lots of literary attributes on him (courage, nobility, honesty, courtesy, etc), but nothing that would make him stand closer to the reader – he is hardly ever present in the book and when he is, he is distant and inhuman.
He is either fighting with his identity, face, thoughts/feelings utterly hidden behind his armour or lying injured.
He hardly utters any sentences and those only in the last third of the book. He has two miniscule scenes with his beloved (?) Rowena, but actually they do not exchange a single sentence between them (at least not when Ivanhoe is openly himself vs disguised as some monk), which may be the oddest thing I ever came across in a book.
The dubious honour of actually talking to Wilfred goes to the unsung, Jewess heroine of the book, the awesome Rebecca, but to what avail? In the anti-Semitic fashion of the 1200s (the question is: is it only from the 1200s or also from the 1800s?) what she gets from Ivanhoe is patronising. (view spoiler)
For all I know WS may have come out as the preacher of religious tolerance with this novel. Very hard to decide. Making Rebecca the shining star of the whole Medieval circus stands in favour of this. Scott also does not hesitate to show the difference between bad Christians (the Templars and the Norman knights) and the good ones (King R, Ivanhoe, Cedric and the Saxons). Maybe he wanted his audience to draw parallels (in Scotland at least) between the Scottish and the English people. The Jacobite uprising was not far away when he wrote the novel.
On the other hand there is Isac of York, representing all the repulsive clichés medieval Christian society attributed to Jews, but possibly WS and his contemporaries did so as well. The sanctimonious behaviour of the “good Christians” is also there: they are feeling repulsed and behave condescendingly to Jews.
It is all assumptions on my part, but either this was the accepted norm in WS’s time and he thought he was historically accurate or he was afraid to show more support.
Another issue for me was that all the good characters were passive and it was the baddies who took action.
Secondary characters were much more interesting than the supposed main ones.
So, here I am right now. This is not a very coherent or logical review, rather a collection of my thoughts and feelings as I was reading the novel.
Story by Walter Scott: 3 stars-ish
Had so many conflicting feelings while re-reading this book after more than 30 years. And even after considering this carefully, I am still confused and would really like to be able to pick Scott's mind while he was writing this.
As a modern reader, I could say that this is a mixture of The Merchant of Venice, A Game of Thrones (without the dragons, the sex and the gore, lol, but nevertheless there is the struggle for power) and the movie A Knight's Tale and Robin Hood (the Errol Flynn version).
It is also an example of (non too accurate) historical fiction: Scott presents us a pastiche of some historical facts, lots of folklore and myth. Putting it into historical context: the novel was published in 1819, depicting the long gone period of 12th century England under the rule of Richard Lionheart viewed through the pink lens of romanticism.
I guess there were certainly some ideas and messages he intended to pass on to his contemporary readers (maybe along the line of "conciliation is better than fighting") and wanted them to draw some parallels between the "then" and the "now" for sure.
My biggest problem was with the eponymous hero, (Wilfred) Ivanhoe.
He is an archetype of the knight in shining armour. Scott hung lots of literary attributes on him (courage, nobility, honesty, courtesy, etc), but nothing that would make him stand closer to the reader – he is hardly ever present in the book and when he is, he is distant and inhuman.
He is either fighting with his identity, face, thoughts/feelings utterly hidden behind his armour or lying injured.
He hardly utters any sentences and those only in the last third of the book. He has two miniscule scenes with his beloved (?) Rowena, but actually they do not exchange a single sentence between them (at least not when Ivanhoe is openly himself vs disguised as some monk), which may be the oddest thing I ever came across in a book.
The dubious honour of actually talking to Wilfred goes to the unsung, Jewess heroine of the book, the awesome Rebecca, but to what avail? In the anti-Semitic fashion of the 1200s (the question is: is it only from the 1200s or also from the 1800s?) what she gets from Ivanhoe is patronising. (view spoiler)
For all I know WS may have come out as the preacher of religious tolerance with this novel. Very hard to decide. Making Rebecca the shining star of the whole Medieval circus stands in favour of this. Scott also does not hesitate to show the difference between bad Christians (the Templars and the Norman knights) and the good ones (King R, Ivanhoe, Cedric and the Saxons). Maybe he wanted his audience to draw parallels (in Scotland at least) between the Scottish and the English people. The Jacobite uprising was not far away when he wrote the novel.
On the other hand there is Isac of York, representing all the repulsive clichés medieval Christian society attributed to Jews, but possibly WS and his contemporaries did so as well. The sanctimonious behaviour of the “good Christians” is also there: they are feeling repulsed and behave condescendingly to Jews.
It is all assumptions on my part, but either this was the accepted norm in WS’s time and he thought he was historically accurate or he was afraid to show more support.
Another issue for me was that all the good characters were passive and it was the baddies who took action.
Secondary characters were much more interesting than the supposed main ones.
So, here I am right now. This is not a very coherent or logical review, rather a collection of my thoughts and feelings as I was reading the novel.
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November 4, 2014
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September 12, 2016
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May 1, 2022
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May 17, 2022
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Jan 26, 2021 11:25AM
Alas, I could only give this one 2 stars because of the author's obsession with writing endlessly about how Jews were treated. He makes his point...over and over.
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Tisha (IG: Bluestocking629) wrote: "I used to work with an Ivan Ho. Whenever I see this book I think of him 😄"
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Greg wrote: "Alas, I could only give this one 2 stars because of the author's obsession with writing endlessly about how Jews were treated. He makes his point...over and over."
I was in my early teens when I read this, so I am going to re-read or rather re-listen. David Rintoul is an excellent narrator, I have high hopes of him. :)
I was in my early teens when I read this, so I am going to re-read or rather re-listen. David Rintoul is an excellent narrator, I have high hopes of him. :)
I had very mixed feelings on this. I could not decide which camp Scott was on and found it all rather cringe-worthy. Stuck with my 3 stars, but felt really weird reading it.
Tisha (IG: Bluestocking629) wrote: "I used to work with an Ivan Ho. Whenever I see this book I think of him 😄"
There is one in every office....
There is one in every office....
Melindam wrote: "I had very mixed feelings on this. I could not decide which camp Scott was on and found it all rather cringe-worthy. Stuck with my 3 stars, but felt really weird reading it."
Me too, mixed feelings. I was disappointed overall.
Me too, mixed feelings. I was disappointed overall.
I tried reading one of the other books by him... it was very conflicting.. I skipped and skim read it... so I don't count it as fully read...
Anyway.. will try this..since this is so familiar a title from him .
Great review , Melindam.
Anyway.. will try this..since this is so familiar a title from him .
Great review , Melindam.
Now read "Rebecca and Rowena" by Thackeray, do. It doesn't really bite into the antisemitism, more into the heroines' portrayal, but still. Also very short.
It was very interesting to read your thoughts! I think that this novel should stay with the ten-year-old me (-ish), who thought it was amazing ;)