Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 23

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 10:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Ancient Iranian culture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already under Category:Old Persian language. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: redirect to Category:History of Iran. ✗plicit 01:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Persian history (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with one subcategory and one article. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in Category:Ancient history of Iran. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• OK, and the member article is already in Category:History of Khorasan. But I would empty and redirect the category to Category:History of Iran; it has several interwiki links. – Fayenatic London 08:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:57, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia neutral point of view disputes, along with sub-cats. Consensus to rename for clarity SilkTork (talk) 18:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:NPOV disputes to Category:Wikipedia neutral point of view disputes

Nominator's rationale: Expand abbreviation, match higher Category:Wikipedia neutral point of view. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:21, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support and the sub-categories should be moved as well. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• I support it, makes sense. Ffffrr (talk) 04:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 2pou (talk) 18:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. @2pou: there was no need to relist this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• But it does provide the opportunity to list the sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 23:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: templates that populate these categories (and document that fact) are listed here. – Fayenatic London 08:29, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• While I support renaming the top category, I am neutral about the subcategories, as these are becoming quite long titles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Per nom. This will clarify an internal category and use the full name. Garnarblarnar (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:People from Wharton, New Jersey to Category:People from Morris County, New Jersey

Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Upmerge The category now has three articles, but this still seems to small a number to be justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close, the category has already been deleted per WP:G5 (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Kei Tau Kok (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Creator is a sockpuppet of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hong Kong geography warrior, a long-term disruptive editor who is known for applying historic/obscure names of geographic features to modern-day neighbourhoods. (Basically, inventing place names). Their username, "KTKcreator", refers to the fact that they have been pushing the name "Kei Tau Kok" in this manner. Citobun (talk) 14:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:People from Fredon Township, New Jersey to Category:People from Sussex County, New Jersey

Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Mental illness in films to Category:Films about mental health, no consensus on how to handle Category:Films about mental disability. ✗plicit 01:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Mental illness in films to Category:Films about mental disorders

• Propose merging Category:Films about mental disability to the abovementioned parent category

Nominator's rationale: merge and rename, per main article Mental disorder and I can not see how to the two categories might have a different scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The difference in scope is that the current wording includes films which feature mental illnesses/disorders without the film being about that topic. If the renaming goes ahead, it's likely that some of its entries will no longer be eligible, because of its narrower description. Jim Michael (talk) 18:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• If a film is not about this topic it should be purged indeed. In practice I do not expect much purging will be needed, as the category page says "Films that feature mental illness as a prominent plot element." Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• That description would no longer be appropriate with the rename. Instead it would need to be removed, since it would not match the new category name. -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support rename The main article is mental disorder. Neutral on the merger, as I am not certain what "mental disability" describes. Dimadick (talk) 04:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as proposed greatly changes scope of category. Instead create a subcategory with the proposed name. Almost all the categorized films will need to be removed it if it just renamed, since the films are not "about" some disorder, as they are not documentary films about disorders, it is about a film story that features disorders, but that isn't their main point. Even biopics of people with the disorder is about the person, and not the disorder. Suggest instead Category: Films featuring mental disorders -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ie. "Pearl Harbor" is film featuring the attack on Pearl Harbor, while "Tora Tora Tora" is a film about the attack on Pearl Harbor. "The Longest Day" is a film about the Normandy invasions, while "Saving Private Ryan" is a film featuring the Normandy invasions. -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 16:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• See my response above to Jim Michael. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as nominated. I suggest ALT-1: merge Category:Mental illness in films to Category:Films about mental health, and rename split Category:Films about mental disability to Category:Films about mental health and Category:Films about developmental disabilities per Category:Developmental disabilities Category:Films about learning disabilities per Category:Learning disabilities. – Fayenatic London 12:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Fayenatic london: why would you want to completely change the scope of the category to developmental disabilities? It would exclude certain mental orders, it would add certain other disabilities. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • (i) because the category is worth keeping separate, but Mental disability is a disambiguation page and there is no category:Mental disabilities to parent it. (ii) Sorry, I had not realised there was also Category:Learning disabilities, which I think is a closer match; I have changed the proposed target to match that. – Fayenatic London 10:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Fayenatic london: Category:Learning disabilities is even farther off, since the current category content is about mental disorders - or otherwise about mental health in general. Please check the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noted, in some cases there is no valid distinction from the parent. I have therefore changed my proposal for the sub-cat from Rename to Split.

• That is fair enough with me. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see there is also a broader Category:Intellectual disability. (Not sure whether that should be plural?) I'd be happy to follow that one rather than Learning disabilities. – Fayenatic London 12:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• • Looking at the page history, I see that Category:Films about mental health is newly-created by yourself. I think we should process this by renaming Category:Mental illness in films over the new Category:Films about mental health. – Fayenatic London 11:55, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• That makes sense too, we have well-developed category trees for Category:Mental health and Category:Mental disorders while there is no tree for Category:Mental illness and in article space Mental illness redirects to Mental disorder. After processing all of this, we can still create a subCategory:Films about mental disorders. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 10:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Can I get a re-statement of ALT-1 please? Is there an ALT-2 ? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Laurel Lodged: alt-1 is merge Category:Mental illness in films to Category:Films about mental health, and manually split Category:Films about mental disability to Category:Films about mental health and Category:Films about learning disabilities per Category:Learning disabilities. As follow-up after closure of the discussion (not as an ALT-2) I suggest creating Category:Films about mental disorders as a subcategory of Category:Films about mental health, which is the category that I had in mind when starting the nomination. It is not the shortest way to create that category, but it is probably the best way. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support ALT-1 as re-stated above. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Thank you both. But now there is ALT-2: merge Category:Mental illness in films to Category:Films about mental health, and manually split Category:Films about mental disability to Category:Films about mental health and Category:Films about intellectual disability per Category:Intellectual disability. Sorry for the mess, but I now prefer this. – Fayenatic London 23:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• No problem; since the split needs to be implemented manually anyway, ALT-1 might ultimately have led to the same result as ALT-2. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. Sorry I have made this so messy – it might be best for you to withdraw it and start again, probably as two separate nominations. Category:Mental illness in films could either be merged and moved over the new parent Category:Films about mental health, or split between that one and Category:Films about mental disorders. The splitting options for both the nominated categories mean there would be no reduction in the number of categories, as each would be split between the parent and a new name. – Fayenatic London 13:24, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge and rename as nominated. ✗plicit 01:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Western New York Flash (WPS) to Category:Western New York Flash (manually merge parent categories)
• Propose merging Category:Western New York Flash (NWSL) to Category:Western New York Flash (manually merge parent categories)
• Propose renaming Category:Western New York Flash (WPS) coaches to Category:Western New York Flash coaches
• Propose merging Category:Western New York Flash (NWSL) coaches to Category:Western New York Flash coaches (manually merge parent categories)
• Propose renaming Category:Western New York Flash (NWSL) draft picks to Category:Western New York Flash draft picks

Nominator's rationale: Following merger of players categories per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 2#Category:Western New York Flash players. – Fayenatic London 09:51, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom and previous discussion. Seany91 (talk) 09:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into the three categories per nom and previous consensus. GiantSnowman 12:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as per previous CFDs. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:14, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Video games with customizable avatars to Category:Video games featuring protagonists of selectable gender

Nominator's rationale: The former category is pretty vague and less defining than the latter. There are some games with customizable avatars, but the others don't. HarmonyBunny00 (talk) 19:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as stated, because the categories are not the same, and neither is logically part of the other. Note: the nominated category was not tagged until today. Also, the target category has been nominated at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_November_28#Category:Video_games_featuring_protagonists_of_selectable_gender. – Fayenatic London 09:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Anti-Turkish sentiment. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Anti-Turkism to Category:Anti-Turkish sentiment

Nominator's rationale: The lead article is called "Anti-Turkish sentiment", which would be a better name for the category, as Turkism is something else. (t · c) buidhe 03:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, more inline with other categories and as nominator points out Turkism is something else.--Mvqr (talk) 11:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We had this discussion many times on the talk page that it's not against pan-Turkism, anyways, support. Beshogur (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Query Is the scope wider than the state of Turkey? Does it include Azerbaijan and other Turkic-majority states? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Main article Anti-Turkish sentiment covers discrimination against both the Turkish people and the Turkic peoples. "Turkism" is another term for the Pan-Turkism political movement which seeks political unification for all Turkic peoples. Opposition to this movement could also be termed anti-Turkism. Dimadick (talk) 08:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Since you seem to be saying that the scope is wider than the state of Turkey, then how can @Dimadick: support the proposal? In common understanding, "Turkish" is the demonym of "Turkey". To fulfil your wider ambition, something like Category:Anti-turkic sentiment would be necessary. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:16, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't make up definitions. I use the definition in the main article. Dimadick (talk) 12:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Are you saying that there is a material difference between the main article and the categories as they currently exist or might exist post renaming? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:24, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Hold until RM discussion on article is closed. Laurel Lodged has a fair point but it needs to be solved in article space. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support: the RM discussion has concluded that the article doesn't need to move and the general consensus is that the scope don't include all turkic states and groups. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 23:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Kevo327. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Kevo327 but with a hat note stating that the scope don't include all turkic states and groups. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support: This is a very sensible move. I go per nom and Dimadick. Dunutubble (talk) 16:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Political parties with anti-Turkish sentiment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: After I removed articles that had been placed in this category but had no verifiable source for being "anti-Turkish", there were only two articles left. In addition, it does not seem a WP:DEFINING characteristic for political parties. We have no Category:Political parties with anti-German sentiment for example. (t · c) buidhe 03:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Sure, I for one agree.--217.149.166.11 (talk) 04:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:OPINIONCAT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- We have two parties, one in Georgia and the other in Bulgaria, which are both essentially nationalist and anti-foreign, rather than specifically engaged in anti-Turkism. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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