Hmm, why so many of those titles have the 'Star Wars:' before it? I mean, this is a Star Wars wiki, so that is already implied. IMO we should move those articles. So, for example, this one would become: 'Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast' instead of Star Wars: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast'
- It's better to follow official names. Contrast X-wing vs. Star Wars: X-Wing MoffRebus 10:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Continuity[]
It should be noted that the plot of Jedi Outcast is somewhat contradictory to canon Star Wars. The story depicts Kyle Katarn taking assignments from Mon Mothma, despite the fact that by the time the Jedi Academy on Yavin 4 was firmly established, Mon Mothma was no longer Chief of State for the New Republic, but had in fact been replaced by Leia Organa Solo.
- LucasArts. Enough said. - TopAce 19:27, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Leia must have been replaced temporarily by Mon, due to business :) MoffRebus 20:10, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Does it actually specify that Mon is Chief of State? I recall she has an office on Coruscant similar to Palpatine's in one of the cut-scenes, but that doesn't neccessarily imply she is the CoS. She may just have been the head of whatever sub-group Kyle and Jan were operating out of - Kwenn 11:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Leia must have been replaced temporarily by Mon, due to business :) MoffRebus 20:10, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Walker Droids[]
Do we have a name for those walker droids fought on the Doomgiver? -- SFH 17:49, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Anyone there? -- SFH 05:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Possibly AT-PT MoffRebus 10:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC) MoffRebus 10:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- The game files refer to them as Mark 1 droids. The small rolling ones are Mark 2's.24.91.251.238 02:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Possibly AT-PT MoffRebus 10:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC) MoffRebus 10:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The two droids[]
C3PO and R2D2 are said to appear in the game. I do rememeber a 3PO and R2 pair somewhere hidden, but nothing in their dialogue indicates they ARE those two. Anything that proves so? MoffRebus 10:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- If this is referring to the droids found in Cloud City on Bespin, prior to the fight with Tavion, they're not our beloved duo. For one thing, the protocol's voice doesn't sound like Threepio, and more importantly, you can destroy them both - Kwenn 11:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Aye. Corrected now MoffRebus 13:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would imagine that the droids this was referring to would be the golden protocol droid which first greets Katarn upon his arrival at the Jedi Praxeum, and a particular blue and white astromech droid rolling around in the same general area (or possibly in the war room). While I can't confirm that they are in fact Artoo and Threepio (mostly because I'm typing this from memory at work), it seems to be implied. I'll double check and get back to you. SM-716 23:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, just checked: there are actually TWO golden protocol droids and TWO blue and white R2 units wandering around the Academy. They're never referred to by name, and the one protocol droid that talks doesn't even sound close to a Threepio impression. He refers to Luke as "Master Skywalker" instead of "Master Luke", he's only listed in the credits as "protocol droid"... in short, not much indicates they're the droids from the movies as opposed to random game NPCs. So nevermind.
Still, I'm gonna change the way the article has their appearances worded under "Cameos" to something a little less vague. SM-71603:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC) - The protocol droid on Bespin DOES say "Thank the Maker"; is 'the Maker' a phrase exclusive to Threepio?A knight shall come 00:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I suppose it is a reference to Episode 2 where upon Anakin's returning, C-3P0 says the same line.
- In a list of characters, "C-3PO" is just referred to as "Protocol", while R2D2 is referred to as "R2D2". I'm not sure what this implies, but that is how they are listed. I don't know if it helps to know that the red and white droid Luke originaly picked instead of R2 in episode 4 is listed as "R5D2". 69.152.172.118 02:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Kejim --> Artus Prime[]
The article said that Jan was kidnapped on Kejim. This is obviously false, so I corrected it. --DarthMuffin 23:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Alzoc III[]
Why no mention of Alzoc III? The level you get when completing the main game. It's on the GameCube version at least.
- It's been corrected. -Lord vader1414 04:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Choke blooper really NOT?[]
I don't think the Force Grip scene with Tavion under Trivia is really a blooper. It claims that the player shouldn't have Grip at that point in the game, but I know that Grip is available on the Bespin Platform level, and on the previous level too--though it is only Level 1 strength, and the ability to pick up and move enemies can't happen until Level 3. Maybe this should be changed?A knight shall come 00:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Lets just revise it, not modify it. We can say that it is inconsistent because of the level of choke he used, but it could have been explained by saying that because of Kyle's rage, he was able to summon a dark side power more easily. -Lord vader1414 13:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Lord vader's take is exactly the way I've always interpretted it, anyway. -BaronGrackle 14:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- That's what I was thinking too.A knight shall come 17:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, let's just do that. Sound good? -Lord vader1414 01:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- I removed it. I've played the game and you do indeed learn choke by that time. 168.103.70.82 22:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- No it doesn't. I have played the game at least twice, and twice I noticed it. MoffRebus 00:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and BTW, I am not the only one who has, or the blooper would have been removed long ago :) so maybe someone restores it until we come to a solution MoffRebus 01:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the thing is that he DOES know Choke by that time, but he only knows the FIRST level of it. He has the ability to immobilize an enemy, but he cannot cause damage or (more significant to the point) move the enemy with the power. He does not learn how to do this by the time of the next level. That's why I support the "probably temporarily strengthened by rage" argument, since he had a basic understanding of Choke at the time... I wouldn't call it a blooper, but I can see how some would. -BaronGrackle 12:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Technically it is a blooper. Despite the fact that we can retcon an explanation :P MoffRebus 12:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Blooper, no. It was put in there on purpose. They had to find a way to show Kyle's true rage without him acctually killing Tavion. Put in that it was strenghtened by rage, and we should probably leave it like that for the time being. -Lord vader1414 19:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- Technically it is a blooper. Despite the fact that we can retcon an explanation :P MoffRebus 12:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- No it doesn't. I have played the game at least twice, and twice I noticed it. MoffRebus 00:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- i agree with lord vader(ha that sounds so funny) kyle must have been really mad like anakin was on ep 3 anyone remember anakin using choke before he went pshycho?Mevan 17:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree as well.-Master Smart
Mine monster?[]
Anybody know what those little bug things in the Artus Prime mine tunnels are called? Is there an article about them? If so, it should be added to this article's list of enemies. -- SM-716 talk? 17:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, these are called mine crabs.
I´ll add them in´ Hominid 22:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have a list of characters, and it lists them as "mine monsters".
Quote[]
Since it seems to be a trend to give articles like this quotes, how would this sound? "You should have known it would take a failed Jedi to take out another failed Jedi." "Kyle, you were never a failure." Graal 01:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- Usually the quote comes from the person or game. I've played the game about a million times, and that isn't in there.
- Yes, it is.
- Good work starting a discussion from 2007 again. Don't do it again. Antonstaen 13:27, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Timeline[]
It seams that the game is set in 12 ABY but here all chars die or whatever is set in 13 ABY... so whats true ? --Modgamers 14:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- You are correct... good catch! Outcast's opening crawl says "Eight years have passed since the Empire was defeated at the BATTLE OF ENDOR," and Endor was in 4 ABY. I've corrected deaths for Desann, Galak Fyyar, and Reelo Baruk so far. Is that all of them? -- SM-716 talk? 21:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- As far as I remember, there was quite some discussion about the timeline placement of the game back in the days, because the story about Kyle abandoning the force and the 8 years statement don't really mesh. But I can't remember if there was an official explanation/correction. --Craven 21:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- If you could dig up that discussion, Craven, I'm sure it would help. I started changing dates on battles (Mission to Nar Shaddaa (Empire Reborn), Battle of Cloud City, Mission to Cairn Installation, and Battle of Yavin 4 (Empire Reborn)), as well as updating the pages for 12 ABY and 13 ABY. But I noticed that Mission on Kejim and the Battle of Artus Prime were both already 12 ABY, and listed on the 12 ABY page under the heading "Beginnings of the Empire Reborn Crisis". It's starting to make me wonder if I missed something important... but as far as I know, there's nothing to indicate a long span of time between Artus Prime and the following levels of the game. -- SM-716 talk? 21:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- The discussion was on the TF.N Jedi Council Forums, but I can't find it at the moment using Google. But I saw that the New Essential Chronology places the events at 12 ABY as well, so there should be no problem using this date. --Craven 00:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm still working my way through the thread, but the discussion starts here. --Eyrezer 07:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'll look through it too. I haven't seen anything besides pre-release speculation just yet, but I'm only 10 pages in so far. -- SM-716 talk? 18:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Round about page 29 there are comments from a designer in the game that shed some light on the placement. With regard to the Dark Forces Saga, it places it at almost 8 years after Kyle defeats Jerec at the Valley of the Jedi, which in turn is 1 year after Endor, making it "almost 9 years" I guess... --Eyrezer 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I had seen quite a few comments like those, but they were all pre-release. (There was one comment, I think, that put the game at 9 years after Mysteries of the Sith, which would obviously be untrue.)
Here's where things get tricky, though: on page 42, someone mentions that the Essential Chronology says that Kyle was one of the Jedi focusing his power into Dorsk 81 during the finale of Darksaber-- meaning that Kyle would be a practicing Jedi at the time. Wookieepedia's page for the year of 12 ABY lists that battle, but the Darksaber page has "12-13 ABY" listed for its timeline.
So I guess the next question is: does Jedi Outcast take place before or after Darksaber? My personal take (at the moment, anyway) would be that Kyle severs his ties to the Force in 10 ABY and becomes a mercenary for two years, regains his saber/powers and defeats Desann in 12 ABY (and "goes on vacation" with Jan, as mentioned at the game's conclusion), then comes back to the Praxeum as a full Jedi to assist in the Darksaber crisis later that same year.
If anyone can point out where I'm wrong, by all means do so. But the opening crawl says 12 ABY, and so far I haven't seen why that couldn't be the case. -- SM-716 talk? 19:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I had seen quite a few comments like those, but they were all pre-release. (There was one comment, I think, that put the game at 9 years after Mysteries of the Sith, which would obviously be untrue.)
- Round about page 29 there are comments from a designer in the game that shed some light on the placement. With regard to the Dark Forces Saga, it places it at almost 8 years after Kyle defeats Jerec at the Valley of the Jedi, which in turn is 1 year after Endor, making it "almost 9 years" I guess... --Eyrezer 23:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'll look through it too. I haven't seen anything besides pre-release speculation just yet, but I'm only 10 pages in so far. -- SM-716 talk? 18:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm still working my way through the thread, but the discussion starts here. --Eyrezer 07:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- The discussion was on the TF.N Jedi Council Forums, but I can't find it at the moment using Google. But I saw that the New Essential Chronology places the events at 12 ABY as well, so there should be no problem using this date. --Craven 00:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- If you could dig up that discussion, Craven, I'm sure it would help. I started changing dates on battles (Mission to Nar Shaddaa (Empire Reborn), Battle of Cloud City, Mission to Cairn Installation, and Battle of Yavin 4 (Empire Reborn)), as well as updating the pages for 12 ABY and 13 ABY. But I noticed that Mission on Kejim and the Battle of Artus Prime were both already 12 ABY, and listed on the 12 ABY page under the heading "Beginnings of the Empire Reborn Crisis". It's starting to make me wonder if I missed something important... but as far as I know, there's nothing to indicate a long span of time between Artus Prime and the following levels of the game. -- SM-716 talk? 21:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Mark 2 security droids[]
The small rollers mentioned above seem to lack a listing under enemies and even an article allthough I swear I saw one at some point any help?SargeLIVES 22:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Non-Canon appearances[]
Why have the non-canon appearance characters (TK-421, etc.) been completely removed? They need only be marked as "non canon appearance". 72.191.116.59 17:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Imperial Relations on Nar Shadda[]
Okay, check this out: On the level "Cairn Assembly", an Imperial officer mentions being on Nar Shadda (NS), yet the only evidence to support that is a black Imperial protocol droid on the level "NS hideout" and on the level "Doom detention" when a Stormtrooper says the Empire should not have worked with Reelo. Has anyone else noticed that? Any thoughts? 69.154.214.235 21:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC) Master Smart
Plot[]
At the end of the game, he accepts Luke's offer of a teaching position at the Academy, but not before he spends some time off with Jan Ors. I just finished the game for the second time and.. Well, he didn't accept any offer. He said he would keep his lightsaber for now, that he wasn't sure if he would join the Jedi Order and that he and Jan were going on a vacation to Spira. Antonstaen 18:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, well, did you make that change to the artcle? 68.91.95.73 14:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Master Smart
Uhm... Now I have. Antonstaen 13:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, Antonstaen. I didn't mean to be rude. 68.91.95.73 14:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC) Master Smart
- Oh.. No problem. Antonstaen 14:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, Antonstaen. I didn't mean to be rude. 68.91.95.73 14:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC) Master Smart