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Did you know?

Did you know that you can review your changes visually?

When you are finished editing the page, type your edit summary and then choose "Review your changes".

In visual mode, you will see additions, removals, new links, and formatting highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

The wikitext diff is the same diff tool that is used in the wikitext editors and in the page history. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

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• A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures to enable the ⧼Visualeditor-preference-newwikitexteditor-label⧽.
• A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. [1]
• The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [2]
• You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this. [3]
• The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow. [4]
• The Categories item has been moved to the top of the Page options menu (from clicking on the "hamburger" icon) for quicker access. [5] There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there. [6]
• You can now create <chem> tags (sometimes used as <ce>) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor. [7]
• Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed. [8]
• The Special character menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) . The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt. [9]
• A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed. The team are sorry for the disruption. [10]
• There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations: Control+Shift+K on a PC, or Command+Shift+K on a Mac. It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which is Control+K or Command+K respectively. [11]

Future changes

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• The team is working on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of <ref> tags and other types of wikitext syntax. You will be able to turn it on and off. It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017. [12]
• The kind of button used to Show preview, Show changes, and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI. The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read. The labels will remain the same. You can test the new button by editing a page and adding &ooui=1 to the end of the URL, like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1 The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes. [13]
• The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors. See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use. [14]
• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!

—Elitre (WMF)

17:59, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Elitre. I am a bureaucrat on mk.wiki and our community sorely needs the VisualEditor Citation tool installed, as the old one does not function. If we are to switch to this tool, I see that we have to make a number of installations and/or imports (described on the above linked page). The trouble is that neither I, nor anyone on our wiki has any idea how to do such things. We have tried and failed. Could someone help us with installing and importing all those things for us, and consult us on the specifics of our wiki or template names? We would greatly appreciate such help, as we have no other way of doing this ourselves. --B. Jankuloski (talk) 07:44, 14 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, B. Jankuloski. Thanks for your request. We have a number of pages describing how things should be done, so it would be useful to understand where specifically you are encountering difficulties. From what I see the order of the steps for your wiki right now should be: adding TemplateData to your main templates (in this context, you want to start with the main Cite ones, and there's usually only 4 of them or even less), then create the Cite menu, and finally adding Citoid. The related pages are listed in order from mw:Help:VisualEditor/VE_as_the_main_editor#Make_sure_main_templates_feature_TemplateData_information. Looking at how others did the same thing in the past can help - sometimes it's really a matter of copying and adapting a bit. I will also post a message on the taskforce talk page to see whether someone can follow you more closely. Let me know how work proceeds. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

(proper ping, B. Jankuloski --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:57, 15 May 2017 (UTC))Reply

B. Jankuloski, User:Ehrlich91, see my edits here. I created the Cite menu and the templatedata for the Cite web template simply by copying from the English Wikipedia. You may want to do the same for the other 3 main Cite templates, doc, journal and book (if they are all used at your wiki). After this, we can proceed by enabling Citoid. Your wiki has Flagged Revisions enabled, and you are the ultimate experts in your language, so local community members need to be involved for further refining and improving. HTH. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Elitre (WMF): I saw edits on our home wiki, thank you for this. I got confused with other links and I thought that is harder than this (sorry for that), so I will continue editing these templates, looking on English Wikipedia and other language versions. Thank you once again, I already can see that is working on Visual Editor. --Ehrlich91 (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Elitre (WMF): Thank you very much, Erica! I have now translated all, so they are ready to use. May I ask whether this page is also to be translated, or it should completely stay as it is? Cheers --B. Jankuloski (talk) 09:56, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome. So that page doesn't need to be translated, it only defines which templates are to appear in the Cite menu, so make sure those are actually the ones you want. Next steps should be mw:Citoid/Enabling_Citoid_on_your_wiki#Step_2:_Configure_Citoid. Have you checked that all the TemplateData for those template also contain citoid maps? Best, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Bjankuloski06: I have also imported the templatedata from en wiki to https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B5/doc, once that is approved we can add the https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8:Citoid-template-type-map.json to enable citoid. Mvolz (WMF) (talk) 08:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Done @Mvolz (WMF): Approved! Thank you, and let me know what is to be done next. --B. Jankuloski (talk) 09:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Bjankuloski06: next we need to create https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8:Citoid-template-type-map.json Here is what the en wiki one looks like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json . We just need to copy it but swap out the en template names for the mk ones. Mvolz (WMF) (talk) 09:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Done @Mvolz (WMF): Filled in now. --B. Jankuloski (talk) 10:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Bjankuloski06: Great! I have tried out the tool. I noticed that when I inserted a website it didn't work well (lots of parameters missing) and so I noticed that the copied template data doesn't always match the actual parameters in the template. These will probably need more work. For instance, I made these changes to Cite web: https://mk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0/doc&oldid=3595441&diff=cur

As you can see, the parameters access-date and website were actually wrong, the template itself doesn't have those parameters. Instead they are called accessdate and work. So when you try to insert a template, it will insert the wrong parameters and they won't get rendered. There are actually a lot of parameters in the templatedata that was copied that are either different or don't exist in the actual template. These need to be fixed or removed from the templatedata. Mvolz (WMF) (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Elitre! I already translated what you requested. If you need any other translation or help on that subject, just let me know!

Unfortunately I won't go to Montreal this year: I didn't get a scholarship and I haven't a Canadian visa. I wanted to go to the Wikidata event in Berlin in October, but I'm getting out of a surgery (nothing big, Thank God) and I found out late from the scholarships ...

I hope to go to WMCON next year ... If you attend, see you there!

Regards!

--Ybsen lucero (talk) 03:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi Erica,

I have translated the announcement to Turkish; You can post it to the village pump. Hope to see you in Montral. Best, --Basak (talk) 06:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Ah, decisamente! In effetti mi suonava strano "allenamento", ma era l'unica cosa che mi veniva in mente (mannaggia) :D--ƒringio · ✉ 13:21, 3 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Scrivo qui perché non so a chi possa interessare. Ogni volta che vado a modificare una pagina in es.wiki, clicco il pulsante sbagliato perché i collegamenti di modifica sezione sono invertiti rispetto agli altri wiki: non un gran problema per il 99 % degli utenti, che contribuisce solo localmente. Però quando clicco la modifica con VE noto che ci mette parecchi secondi a caricarsi, è normale? In dozzine di altre lingue ho notato anche che:

• molto spesso il collegamento di modifica sezione con VE contiene la sigla "VE", non so quanto sia comprensibile per gli utenti;
• spesso, e anche in lingue piuttosto grosse, i collegamenti di modifica sezione e l'invadentissimo popup splashcreen (phabricator:T136076) non sono tradotti, quindi bisogna spingere per tradurre i collegamenti e mi chiedo quanti danni faccia lo splashscren.

--Nemo 12:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Ci sono diverse lingue al momento con l'ordine "invertito". Non credo si voglia investire tempo adesso nel riportare 900 wiki a un unico standard: quelle energie sarebbero meglio investite nel perfezionare/lanciare il singolo tab di modifica, che in realtà è già il default su centinaia di wiki.

Non sono a conoscenza di wiki grosse in cui il pulsante di modifica non è tradotto? Se trovi il gruppo corrispondente, puoi pingare i traduttori in lista - di solito è complicato puntare a un singolo messaggio da aggiornare, ma magari sono io che mi sono dimenticata come si fa. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 13:09, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hola soy ana