User talk:Quadell/archive01

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Hey Quadell, glad to see you've made the migration to Wikisource - the safe haven for preserving knowledge without quite all the drama of WP :) If you have any questions, need help, or just want cooperation on a project - just yell, I'd be glad to help. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Arthur Schopenhauer} 21:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, old friend! Glad to help out. And I'm not a fan of drama, despite the fact that I find it in the darndest of places sometimes. Quadell 21:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hah, I need that icon for some of my relationships. Anyways, hope you stick around and add texts of interest to you. Portal:Religious texts has a distinct lack of Quaker texts for example, while Wikisource:Mormonism flourishes! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Arthur Schopenhauer} 21:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome :-)

There are many aspects of Wikisource that havent been explored fully, so new ideas and opinions are beneficial. I'll outline existing practise, and a few of my opinions, and we can take it from there.

Newspaper articles have in the past been all over the place, as they are often not given a formal title (e.g. obits are often just the persons name, because the page within the paper gives the context that it is an obit.). We have been cleaning these up, and the most organised is NYT, where almost all of them are named The New York Times/blah, as this keeps them semi-organised under Special:Prefixindex/The New York Times, which avoids the need to add them all to a category, distinguishes between collective work name and the author, and clearly separates the collective work name from the article name.

Also, well maintained pages like NYT increases the likelihood that Wikisource will rank highly in a web search, which means we attract more readers and more deposits. Wikisource is current hit no.2 for "The Perth Gazette" - no.6 for "Littell's Living Age" - no.7 for "East Oregonian" - no.10 for "McClure's Magazine" - no.14 for "St. Louis Globe Democrat" - no.16 for "The San Francisco Call". At present, "The New York Times" does not rank at all. :-( So, while categories are good, I think that we also want formatted index pages, especially for obscure newspapers.

The only good reason that I know of to use override_author was to do

override_author = [[Author:Author A|Author A]] and [[Author:Author B|Author B]]

Recently I changed the author field so that it supports values starting with "[" - when the template detects that character, it passes the value through as-is, which means it is now possible to do

author = [[Author:Author A|Author A]] and [[Author:Author B|Author B]]

As a result, I cant think of a good reason to use override_author. The only other times that I see it, it has been used because the author is known to be "Anonymous", or the contributor didnt want to create an "Author" page for the person/entity. In my opinion, Author pages are one of the best auxiliary concepts on Wikisource; they make us similar to http://librarything.com/ . I think we want Author pages for every person involved in the creation of our etexts, and even for people that are merely the subject of a number of works. As a result, I would rather see a red-link author name than an override_author. John Vandenberg 15:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

regarding Category:John Brown (abolitionist), we generally dont have categories for a single person. All of the pages in that category should be mentioned on Author:John Brown. see Author:Winston Churchill for a page that has lots of pages about the person. John Vandenberg 18:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The John Brown articles could/should all be cross-listed at Wikisource:American Civil War as well please, presumably under their own heading "Harper's Ferry". Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Arthur Schopenhauer} 19:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

See that Sherurcij has given you a list of chores...he is a slave driver!! Wikisource has become my wiki-home away from wiki-home...I retreat here for peace and quiet...so shhhh!...if anyone is looking for me...don't tell them where to find me. :) Hope you enjoy working here as much as I do. Take care, FloNight 18:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Once I latch on, I don't let go :) Anyways Q, just a note to make sure you add brackets to the title of subpages, otherwise there's no way for the reader to go back to the index :) Nice work on the text thusfar! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie} 01:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Aha! Smart idea. If you see any other things I haven't got yet, let me know. All the best! Quadell

I see you haven't helped on this week's collaboration yet, of course ;) Just five minutes of your time each week! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie} 09:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

You're awesome! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie} 03:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick [heads up Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie} 18:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Good enough for me :) btw, noticed Abdelhafid on your userpage - a quick search didn't reveal any texts online, you have some up your sleeve? Assuming he spoke French or Arabic, there's even a chance I can translate. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Haile Selassie} 21:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I have no idea. But I'll be looking it up shortly! Quadell 20:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

And I'm filled with winter wonder that A.A. Milnes' J. M. Barrie's work has been in the public domain for mere hours, and much of it is already on Wikisource. Huzzah! Quadell 20:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

While Rosa's poems in the original Portuguese have fallen into the public domain, this may not be the case for the English translations. Could you please identify the translators so that we may establish whether the English version is in the public domain. Eclecticology 22:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Translations are from here. The translator is not credited, but I believe the lyrics were translated by Noel Rosa himself. Quadell 02:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I just read through the text and at the very last line we have, "In addition the above mentioned sources, I'd like to thank my Carioca friend, José Fabiano, whose insight into Rosa and Rio de Janeiro of the 1930's, helped me translate the songs." So it looks like Kirsten Weinoldt is the translator, and she's still very much alive. I regret to say that these are copyvios. Eclecticology 06:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, let me write to the site owner to see if I can get authorization for release under a free license. Quadell 11:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I have now e-mailed Kirstin Weinoldt requesting permission to use her translations of the lyrics under a free license. If she doesn't reply, or if she declines, I guess they'll have to be deleted. Quadell 11:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Eclecticology 20:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

She said yes! I've forwarded the ticket to OTRS. Another happy ending! Quadell 03:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Well done! Cowardly Lion 03:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, rather than create templates like {{Wake's Philadelphians}}, you can use labelled section transclusion as described here: Help:Side by side image view for proofreading#A. Using Labeled Section Transclusion. Here is an example: History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century/4/Austin Adams. John Vandenberg 04:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. That's interesting. This is separate from the "page:" syntax, right? (I hadn't seen that either.) Quadell 04:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, LST is separate, and works anywhere on Wikisource. It is written by Sanbeg (talk • contribs). John Vandenberg 04:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

That is pretty old. I think it is all done now, but I will go through them and make certain. Thank you for the offer of bot work. We do tend to have repetive moves needed here. I know Pathoschild had some sort of tool, but as he is not around these days I will let you know if I come across a new one.--BirgitteSB 21:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I noticed a slight gap of about 300 years in Wikisource:Quakers, so added links to a few texts that need to be added by somebody who might be vaguely interested in their contents. Don't look at me, I'm focusing on Wikisource:Deism and Wikisource:Mennonites ;) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 09:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

heh, the first time somebody has taken my 'spending ten minutes so that they have to spend an hour' as a good thing ;) While I'm honoured at being thought of as a b-crat, I'm afraid I have to decline for the time being - I became an admin at WS on the premise that my abrupt nature and constant advocacy for "common sense" to overrule "the letter of the law" in controversial texts wouldn't be strengthened by adminship - so I'd feel a bit disingenuous taking a further amount of privilege and responsibility, before my first year as an administrator is up - however, thanks for the honour. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 15:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw that, sneaky bastard. Don't think you get off so easily! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 19:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

It just takes 20-30 minutes to manually parse one of the OCR scans like On Membership in the Society of Friends, removing the page numbers, inserting the ==s for chapter demarcation, some ref tags, etc. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I added {{PD-old-70}} to Balaoo last night, but it needs something to state that the translation is also in the public domain (which it is, as the translator died in 1921). I seem to recall that once when I was patrolling recent changes I saw that you had added some tag to some page saying that both the original and the translation were in the public domain, but you've been so prolific in your contributions here that I couldn't possibly go through them all to find the right template. Can you help? Thanks. Cowardly Lion 17:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I was about to fix it, but it looks like you already got it. All the best, Quadell 19:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, Sherurcij obviously saw my question and took care of it. By the way, if I didn't have any other reason to vote to make you an admin, I think I'd do it just so that I'd have more time to contribute content myself instead of removing hundreds of annoying little red exclamation marks from your contributions in recent changes. I'll be glad when your edits no longer appear as needing to be patrolled. Cowardly Lion 21:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Quadell 21:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

If I welcomed you to WS, that means I'm stalking your talkPage and constantly thinking of ways to make more work for you :D Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 21:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Stalking me or stalking Quadell? Cowardly Lion 00:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Check the talk pages for each of you, I was the first to comment on them, thus adding them both to my watchlist - the answer is both! Aren't you just so lucky! ;) Jayvdb and FloNight round out my collection ;) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 00:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

;-) FloNight 01:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The trouble with moving the contents to the book page is that there's both an ordered "contents" at Cornhuskers/Contents and an alphabetized list at Cornhuskers/Index of Titles. Quadell 00:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

We typically ignore the index in a book since they are just the publisher's way of organising information more readily available on Wikisource - rather than part of the work's "artistic composition". Similarly, when they have a numbered index telling you to see "Witchcraft - page 71, 111-116 || Wolden, James - page 16, 212" or whatever. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 00:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Because poetry is often published in more than one anthology, and because it is an artistic work of its own (unlike a single chapter of The Awakening: The Resurrection, which is not a work unto itself), poems are put into their own namespace, with the header linking to the overall collection (as you've done). When people come to Wikisource, they may simply type "River Roads" into the browser, because that is the name of the poem they are loooking for - so for all these reasons, plus a doughnaught, it's generally "best" to keep poems thus seperated. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 00:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I have removed Author:Pseudonymous because that namespace is indended for real authors, and we have consistently removed attempts to use it as a index space for fuzzy concepts. (Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2007/02#Author:Anonymous_and_Author:Disputed and User talk:Sbh#drama.

A topical index of pseudonymous authors/works could be started at Wikisource:Authors or a sub-page. John Vandenberg 14:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. I opened a discussion on the Scriptorium on the best way to handle these situations. Quadell 14:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your help at Scriptorium, concerning the use of footnotes. I think I can work out how to do it; if not, I'll get back to you. In the meantime, there's a question I asked here, which I'd particularly like your opinion on, as you're a Commons administrator and your user page at Wikipedia indicates that you're interested in copyright policy. If you have time, please take a look. Thanks. Cowardly Lion 17:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I answered there. Quadell 18:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea how to work a perl script, but damned if that doesn't look fast and easy - you might find a request or two for long works in the future, assuming it doesn't take you much time to run? Sure beats the idea of manually copy/pasting/changing headers, etc each time. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 21:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Similar to your page, I started User:Sherurcij/missing a while ago - it'd be great to somehow combine these sorts of lists into one page - maybe reworking the Wikisource:Requested texts or something. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 19:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm not sure if you're interested in helping out - but FloNight and I have been trying to keep {{New texts}} updated for upcoming holidays (dammit, were supposed to clear it with random new texts after Christmas, forgot). The rule of thumb is "7-10 days " for holidays, "10-15 days for major holidays". January 26th is both India and Australia Day - since Australia Day predates India Day (and frankly, will attract more interest, since we have more Australian users than Indian...), I thought it would be a wise choice and have started The Voyage of Governor Phillip to Botany Bay which details the voyage which Australia Day commemorates. If you can find any other eTexts related to historical Australia, or better yet - Australia Day (also called Republic Day), please feel free to add them and make a note on our talk pages - once we have eight new texts, we'll update the template! :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 21:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't remember where they came from, some literary association of another - I wasn't looking for the list for posterity, simply of "key" works we should try to add over time. And it's Shh-ruhr-sidge. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Wikisource:Sheet music} 23:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

"Sherry" it is, then!

Also, you didn't ask, but I'd recommend you abbreviate your sig to Sherurcij ^{CotW: Sheet music} or Sherurcij ^{This week: Sheet music!}. It would save space in discussions. But, hey, it's up to you. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for importing greek texts in Greek Wikisource. There is no equivalent to {{PD-old-100}} or any other license. Equivalent to {{header}} is el:Επικεφαλίδα:

{{Επικεφαλίδα
| τίτλος = title
| συγγραφέας = author
| ενότητα = section 
| προηγούμενο = previous   
| επόμενο = next       
| σημειώσεις = notes  
}}

--Geraki 15:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You might want to go over the critera at Wikisource:Featured texts. Unless I am missing something here the majority of your nominations do not seem to be proofread by multiple editors.--BirgitteSB 22:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hm. For text imported from "distributed proofreaders", does that count? Quadell 22:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Those would automatically get a 75% but we would still want one WS proofreader to make sure it was all good post-import. And they should link to the source on the talk page with {{textinfo}} so everyone know they are from PG.--BirgitteSB 22:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikisource:Text quality--BirgitteSB 22:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You also might want to list your works at WS:PR, which is where I got The Black Cat from.--BirgitteSB 14:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Quadell,

While looking for the right licenses for your Charles Donnelly works, I brought the issue to WS:COPYVIO where there's developed an opinion that his works are still protected in the U.S. for 95 years. I've accordingly added the ((copyvio)) template to the works as possible copyright violations. If you care to discuss the merits of that opinion, please visit WS:COPYVIO#Author:Charles Donnelly. 216.165.199.50 05:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for making me aware of this. By the way, who are you? Do you use an account on any Wikimedia project? (Have we met?) Quadell 06:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

HI thanks for message, I have left reply on own page to keep the thread. You know some greek also?Ockham 14:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

replied Ockham 16:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

You have been appointed :) --BirgitteSB 14:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hoorah! I hope I can manage to use my new powers only for good, and never for evil. (And congrats on your new ability to appoint me!) Quadell 14:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Is this an offer to improve the quality of our main page? :-) John Vandenberg 17:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry about that! —Quadell (talk/swapmeet) 20:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

Just wanted to let you know that I reverted your addition of Prodromus Florae Novae Hollandiae et Insulae Van Diemen to Author:Robert Brown, as that work is written entirely in (very bad) Latin, and therefore belongs on the Latin Wikisource. I've actually started adding it there, but haven't got far.

I normally wouldn't bother telling you here, as I left a reasonable edit summary, but I immediately eclipsed my revert edit with a minor fix edit, so you might not have noticed the reversion.

Cheers, Hesperian 11:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. But be careful about leaving room for translations. If there had been a PD English translation, that would certainly be useful on en:Wikisource. But I can't find any reference to one, so it's not important in this case. All the best, —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 12:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have the detailed spec handy yet? Mexican life + 100 years copyright became effective on July 23, 2003 non-retroactively. While France has a copyright term of life + 70 years + World War I and II extensions totaling 14 years and 272 days and those who died for France during World War would get 30 years more, making up to about 115 years, I would like to suggest categorizing works by authors who died in the 19th and earlier centuries by centuries rather than by years, but those who died in 1901 or later should have their works categorized by which years they died. How would you think and is it possible on Commons?--Jusjih 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me see if I've got this straight. The script should go through all authors, looking at the "deathyear" in the {{author}} template. (E.g. 1930 for Author:D. H. Lawrence.) For each author, look for works that list that person in "author" in the {{header}} or {{header2}} templates, and that are not subpages. (E.g., for Lawrence, that would be Lady Chatterley's Lover, The Prussian Officer, The White Stocking, The Fox, The Princess (Lawrence), and Snake — but not Lady Chatterley's Lover/Chapter 5.) For each of these works, the bot should go through in a one-time run and add Category:Works by authors who died in 1930, or Category:Works by authors who died in the 17th century, or whatever. Is that what you mean? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 01:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Exactly yes while considering what Hesperian said in the Scriptorium. I also mention Wikimedia Commons as our Template:PD-old and w:Template:PD-old means having died for more than 100 years but commons:Template:PD-old means having died for more than 70 years. I hope to bring my idea to Commons as well as some users also assume that commons:Template:PD-old is for works that are more than 70 years old, but it is totally wrong.--Jusjih 18:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I dont think Polbot has read WS:STYLE; names like this look wrong. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean that it's in all caps? Or that it has a # before the section name? For the section name, yeah, I'm going to fix that mistake. As for all caps, that's the way it's printed in the original edition — should it be this way on Wikisource? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 11:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource typically reduces things, especially titles, to proper capitalisation unless it's a "substantial" part of the context, like e.e. cummings. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Ovid} 21:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

WS:STYLE says we use w:sentence case. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 00:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

This Side of Paradise/Book One, Chapter 1 should be named This Side of Paradise/Book One/Chapter 1, because the slash is the standard notation to indicate structural grouping, and because comma's need to be w:percent encoded so they should be avoided unless it is necessary. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 00:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

If we use sentence case, shouldn't it be at This side of paradise/Book one/Chapter 1? Hesperian 03:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

No one capitalizes "This side of paradise". No publisher. No library. No bookseller. Nobody. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 12:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

We are not a library or bookseller; we are trying to grapple with organising everything that has ever been printed. The guideline isnt strict, so This Side of Paradise is OK. Note, I should have said This Side of Paradise/Book 1/Chapter 1 ("1" not "One"); but I am not so worried about that aspect. The comma instead of a slash is my main concern. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 13:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The original said "One", rather than "1" or "I". I agree about the slash, though. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 13:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I trust this is more what you had in mind? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 14:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

And I believe This Side of Paradise is now "this side of standard". :-) —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 04:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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"No one capitalizes "This side of paradise". No publisher. No library. No bookseller. Nobody. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 12:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)"

Nobody? I tried my local library catalogue, and sure enough it uses "This side of paradise".[1] Just in case it was a fluke I tried http://librariesaustralia.nla.gov.au - "This side of paradise". Maybe it is just Australia, I thought, so I tried your Library of Congress - "This side of paradise". Could it be that everyone uses "This side of paradise" except the city of Cincinnati, Ohio? But wait! - The Public Library of Cincinnati and Hamilton County uses... "This side of paradise". Hesperian 12:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Damn. This requires further investigation. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 13:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I presume we can blame Polbot for pushing us over the 75,000 page mark. Just yesterday we were under, and now we have 78,360 text units. Nice work. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 23:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

100K by Valentine's Day or bust! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 23:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Incompetent and destructive people can still act in good faith... Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Ovid} 16:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I will happily proofread Polycarp's letter to the Philippians (Lightfoot translation) (although it may not be instantaneously). If you fancy Moral Instinct then feel free, the sources etc. are on the talk page. If that doesn't take your fancy I will find something else! Thanks Suicidalhamster 23:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, Schopenhaur! Slightly intimidating, but intriguing! Yes, that sounds like a great swap. All the best, —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 00:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your proofreading - It looks great. I will be getting to Polycarp's letter soon. And thanks for my new look user page! Suicidalhamster 18:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I've found some page scans for Lightfoot translation and linked them on the talk page. Might be worth having a look - they don't have the same subheadings etc. Suicidalhamster 00:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I would definitely trust the printed version over the text version. Great find! Let me know when you're done proofing. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 00:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, could your bot just update all the headers on KJV books, so that the title is hyperlinked back to the index? Thanks! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Ovid} 00:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh. Your wish is my command. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 03:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

Since you deleted it, you could also delete the subpages: Special:Whatlinkshere/The_Prophet_(Gibran). Regards, Yann 15:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. Done. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 15:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. ;o) Yann 23:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You proofread:

Parliament_(Qualification_of_Women)_Act_1918 (it is about five lines long)

and in return I proofread:

Three Whistles

Please let me know on my talk page if you accept.

Best wishes,

John Cross 16:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I have proof read the text against http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.brazzil.com/cvrfeb00.htm (May 2006).

I have noted this on Talk:Three_Whistles. I also ran a microsoft word spell check on it just in case the translator there were any spelling mistakes - there were none. Is this sufficient or do I need to do anything else?

John Cross 16:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your work on Parliament (Qualification of Women) Act 1918. It has been a pleasure working with you.

John Cross 17:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You proofread: Royal Titles Act 1953 (around 260 words)

and in return I proofread:

John Brown's Speech to the Court at his Trial

Regards,

John Cross 17:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Quadell to answer your question - No my user name is actually my real name.

John Cross 17:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Proofreading is done and noted on the discussion page where I have also listed you as a proofreader. Text Progress is now 100%.

John Cross 17:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You might be interested in Portal:Influential Books and Most Influential Books (this diff may need checking). John Vandenberg ^(chat) 23:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I am interested. Thanks! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 19:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to see Christ Among the Cattle proofread, since it's so sexily formatted (mostly, if you could help wikiLink it where necessary), and I guess in return I'll grab What to the Slave is the Fourth of July? :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Ovid} 18:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure! But where is the source? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 19:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

http://www.archive.org/details/christamongcattl00marvrich, http://www.archive.org/details/christamongcattl00marvuoft - Google Books also has a copy. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Ovid} 19:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Eeeexcellent. It's on my list. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 19:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Strivings of the Negro People and The Sacred Wood/Tradition and the Individual Talent are done. You may not be too happy with the excessive annotations on the former; I've left a comment on the talk page. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 04:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, my reasoning for linking to the off-site works is that they're technically not Public Domain - being inherently copyrighted by Koresh - and thus his heirs. So we get to "dance around the fine line of copyright" by simply linking to the works hosted off our servers :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Portal:Branch Davidians} 05:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeesh, I guess you're right. That could be a problem in reproducing a number of "appendixes" to government documents. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet)

Keeping in mind how we "met" on WP, I thought I'd "highly suggest" that I'd appreciate help rounding out Wikisource:September 11th Attacks. Geo Swan has done a terrific job on Wikisource:Guantanamo which is one of our most complete indexes - and I'd like to see 9/11 become something similar. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Portal:Branch Davidians} 22:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I ask your help on 9/11, and Jay/Flo's help on Valentines...and you come out and announce your intentions to help with Valentines, I'm confused! Heh, and I hope you do add that "erotica", I'd love to see it on the front page! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Portal:Branch Davidians} 02:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you please be sure to add an index (Wikisource:Quakers) to works like An Apology for the True Christian Divinity in the "previous" header? There is an index for most imaginable non-fiction topics, including each religion. You can see a list at Wikisource:Works. Thanks! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Portal:Branch Davidians} 19:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

...WOW, Image:S. Baring-Gould1.PNG is beautiful - think you could break it down into separate cropped images for Commons - maybe add a couple to his Wiki article? Very nice find, thanks! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Portal:Branch Davidians} 21:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Already done (for one of the images). For the others. . . well, they overlap, so I'm not sure the best way to crop them. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 21:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Just cut them off before the overlap begins - so you may lose a few inches off the chest of the top-right photo, but it's better to have a "cropped" version of the original photograph, than none at all! :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 21:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here ya go. More pictures of SBG than you'll ever need. :-) —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 22:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I know you're very good on copyright issues, so if you have a few moments free, I'd appreciate if you could look at some questions I've raised at Talk:The Two Noble Kinsmen, regarding (a) the right someone has to take a seventeenth-century text without editing it or altering the spelling and claim that it can only be used for educational, non-profit uses, and (b) whether a modern (Oxford, Penguin, etc.) English edition of Shakespeare could be copyrighted because the editor changed hee to he and liu'd to lived and made hundreds of other, similar, editorial choices, which didn't involve actual translations, just modernizations of spelling. Thanks. Cowardly Lion 14:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

You are a marvel. Thank you! Cowardly Lion 20:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Aw shucks. I'm blushing! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 17:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Quadell- I will enthusiastically accept your offer to Wikify Shaw's writings when you assure me you know how much work it will entail. Typically, one of his productions, including prologues and such, makes a file several megabytes in size. The texts are readily available online, but the sources include much extraneous material—mostly in the form of advertisements—that has to be deleted. I can remove the bad stuff and send the residual on to you as .txt or .doc files, if that would help.Wugo 03:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

As my portfolio will testify, I'm game. I'm most familiar with Bartleby and Gutenberg texts. What are your sources? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 03:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

John told me to use Bartelby for Dark Lady, although I prefer Gutenberg for starter text because it is unformatted and contains no advertising. I have been downloading from G'berg to my HD, deleting their long-winded information texts and copying the remainder to CD (after re-formatting it with Word and converting the file to searchable .pdf).Wugo 01:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sheesh, that sounds like a lot of work! No, I can make it a lot easier. I see you've finished uploading Dark Lady — well done! It appears G'berg has dozens of Shaw works, and we only have four of them here. I think I'll import Caesar and Cleopatra, since it's been one of my favorites since high school — unless you have a request for one for me to import first? —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 02:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I did C&C. Let me know what you think, and any suggestions you may have, before I pull in any others. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 03:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Marvellous! I will read your C&C in detail to remove the typos found in nearly everything from Gutenberg. By all means do Captain Brassbound's Conversion and The Devil's Disciple next, since they are red-linked in your introduction. I had no idea you could move so swiftly! I have no programming background; would Perl be hard for me to learn?Wugo 04:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

About Gutenberg: Those Gutenberg texts that say "proofread by the Online Distributed Proofreading Team" are reliable, and I've almost never found typos in them. (DP is a professional-quality group of volunteer proofreaders, and pages have to be independently proofread by three volunteers to pass.) Ones that don't say that are less reliable — some are very high quality, but others are amateurish.

About Perl, well, Perl is not a hard language to learn as languages go, but learning to program is a major endeavor. So yeah, it would be tough. But 75% of the power of Perl is in regular expressions, which are a sort of search-and-replace-on-steroids. If you learn regular expressions, all formatting tasks will be much easier. One good way to use them, and to practice, is to download Crimson Editor, a very good text editor that I use instead of Notepad. Its "search" and "replace" commands allow you to use regular expressions, so you can play around with them. For example, if you want to italicize everything in parentheses, as I did for Caesar and Cleopatra, you would search for

(\([^\)]*\))

and replace it with

''\1''

It looks complicated, and it is, but it's a lot easier than changing each one manually. The Wikipedia article on w:Regular expression is pretty good, and there are decent online tutorials here, here, and here, take your pick.

Anyway, I'll import other GBS works as I get time. All the best, —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Androcles and the Lion, The Devil's Disciple, and Captain Brassbound's Conversion are done now. Yay me! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 21:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

... and Candida and Misalliance ... —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 01:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hah, you're working on SBG and GBS simultaneously, I love it. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 22:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I've finished proofing C&C and made a few minor corrections. Congratulations: With Devil's Disciple and Brassbound you've now contributed the whole group called "Plays for Puritans"! I'll proof the new ones promptly, but I cannot match the amazing rate at which you're working. Androcles is great fun to read: I'm happy that you chose it.

I've read the description of Crimson Editor; it should be very helpful by comparison to Notepad, which is what I'm using. I'll install it shortly, driven by the pious hope that I know enough to use it properly. And I'll study w:Regular expression, (of which I never heard before). Gratefully, Wugo 01:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic! By the way, if you've proofread a work, you can put your name with in the "proofreaders" section in the box on the talk page. I'll do it for you for C&C, so you'll see how it's done. Once a work has been proofread by multiple Wikisourcers, it can go from 75% to 100%, meaning it's eligible to be a Featured Text here. :-D —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 01:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The GBS article in Wikipedia dates Shaw's work by when it was written instead of when it was published. The reason for doing so is that the writer develops over time and it is useful to know the stage and age at which a work was written. Publication date can be deceptive because it may happen years after the writing actually occurred. Here is a useful dating guide: http://www.shawsociety.org/Chronology-of-Works.htm Wugo 06:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Please correct any errors like this you find, and I'll use the date written from here on. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 12:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course, there is no harm to adding publication date where knowing it is seful. "Immaturity", for instance, was written when Shaw was but a boy (1871) but he was aged when it was published (1930). I'll use all time available to do the proofing, add my name to to the proofers list, and tell you when the deed is done. You can check off Devil's Disciple now. Next job-Androcles. Enthusiastically, Wugo 16:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops! Androcles comes with a monumental preface that has a table of contents all its own. It is important because it clarifies Shaw's religious stance, which is frequently debated. Can you supply it? Or shall I fall back on hunt-and-peck and paste it in myself? I think it should be in place before I look for typing errors. Exigently, Wugo 19:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Between Author:Richard Francis Burton, Author:William Gordon Stables and SBG, I think they wrote half the interesting books in the world themselves. There's just such a wide breadth of work by each of them. These were no w:Sue Graftons or w:John Grishams, heh. Check out the link on SBG's talk page btw. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 04:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Think you can get your bot to import [2] and [3] tonight for us? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 04:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Great find! Yes, I think I can get those added. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 17:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I started adding and parsing the rare The Making of a Magazine: A Tour Through the Vast Organization of the New Yorker before realising it was from 1925 - not 22 as I'd previously thought. Want to lend me an expert opinion on whether the New Yorker would have renewed its copyright? Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 00:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You're in luck! The New Yorker did not renew copyrights on its own, since authors of the individual articles retained copyright on their work. And although Corey Ford did, on occasion, renew copyright for his articles, he didn't bother with this one, so its copyright expired in 1952 or 1953. I've shown a search for Cory Ford at User:Quadell/copyright check. Yay! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 01:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hah, I saw the link earlier this morning but thought "eep, a chapter of that huge work? I'd better wait till I'm at work and have some time" - making its content just that much more entertaining. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 21:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Since it's clearly our most successful CotW to date, I figure if you can add this and I found A Book of Nursery Songs and Rhymes which I'll have to parse, we should be good :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 21:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It appears I'm not fast enough for you. :-) —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 23:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to help parse the other one instead :P Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 23:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Beautiful. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 01:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I took the liberty of adding "Preface" to the TOC of Androcles and left "Notes" unaltered. If you think I was mistaken, by all means undo my effort. Blindly leaping, Wugo 21:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I've now proofed both Androcles and Preface. I corrected several errors in the latter of the type a scanner makes.Wugo 06:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

"Scanos", they call them. Great work! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 16:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Philanderer proofing is finished. I left two very minor errors, thinking them likely attributable to Shaw himself. Will you be adding Widower's Houses? Wugo 02:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I would, but I can't find it online. If you find it, let me know. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 02:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Try http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03156752&id=n5ubn8sCUKwC&pg=PP7&lpg=PP7&dq=Widower%27s+Houses+#PPP6,M1 Wugo 06:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC) I've put a copy of the play, courtesy of Crimson Editor, on my user page. Tell me if that helps. Wugo 18:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That's great! But man, it's a lousy scan. I did a little fixing, but it needs a lot of love. What's the source, by the way? I couldn't find the complete text at Google books? You can just leave source information at Talk:Widowers' Houses. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 03:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I've proofread Misalliance. Wugo 06:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Terrific! Keep 'em comin'. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 16:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You're right. Bad scan on Widower's Houses. I have corrected most errors but am sure some still reamain. The closing scene has impossibly long speeches interlarded with a congeries of stage instructions; I think Shaw must have wearied of the writing and escaped it willy-nilly. He often displays impatience with his story once his message has been delivered. I'll tackle Man of Destiny next. Wugo 01:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The Man of Destiny is proofed, but a few phrases of the script are missing. They're also omitted from the Gutenberg source. When I find the time, I'll get the paper book from some library and search out the absent words. Wugo 04:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Got the paper book, made some corrections. I consider Man of Destiny completed. Now for proofing Candida. I found a copy of Shaw's The Adventures of the Black Girl in Search of God that looks scannable. Often mentioned, rather rare, I would like to add it to the Wikisource library. It was published in 1933; do you have a way of finding out if it is now in the public domain? Wugo 00:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's definitely considered copyrighted in both the U.S. and the UK. Too bad. The UK will consider it PD in 2020, but the U.S. isn't scheduled to consider its copyright to have expired until 2028. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 02:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Too bad! It is a delightful allegory that will likely be forgotten by the time it becomes a public property.Wugo 03:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long, but I have finally finished proofreading Polycarp's letter to the Philippians (Lightfoot translation). Suicidalhamster 21:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks, and it's been great working with you. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 02:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Note Talk:The_Two_Noble_Kinsmen#layout_of_front_page. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 01:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

How is Polbot's energy level these days?[4] Cowardly Lion 16:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Pobre cita! Actually, that looks right up her alley. I'll let her know. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 16:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I see she has started already. Tell her thank you from me! Cowardly Lion 18:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

When PolBot gets bored, I'm still trying to round out Author:Leo Tolstoy (we are the largest online collection of Tolstoy!), and while I don't mind parsing those ugly OCRs from Archive.org - I'd rather see PolBot do the "easy, but laborious" texts like this which I guess would be added at Resurrection (Tolstoy/Maude) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare} 21:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Unless someone else named Maude translated some other work named Resurrection, there's no need to disambiguate further than Resurrection (Maude). I'll get to it at some point. By the way, I think parser/formatters/proofreader are the doing the real work of Wikisource. Me and Polbot may get the glory (such as it is), but it's the looking-over that only a human can do that's most essential. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 23:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, much thanks Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare} 21:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

<abuse>Feel like turning Category:Ghost stories into an Index page for Wikisource:Works? Seems like the bulk of stories are your contributions anyways, so this is punishment for helping</abuse> ;) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare} 21:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not your mother, don't make me clean up after you! If you add a text about Christianity, add it to the Wikisource:Christianity index and put a backlink in its header. Just like the laundry on your floor, sheesh, teenagers! Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare} 00:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, see, the thing is, like a teenager I have a rebellious streak. I'm actually not partial to text indexes like Wikisource:Christianity or Wikisource:Ghost stories; I like categories a lot better, since they are auto-generated. If I had my druthers, pages in the Wikisource namespace would just be about Wikisource policy, and not used as a categorization scheme; organization would done solely through the category structure. (I feel the same way on the Commons, where the subject has been a major issue of contention for years.) But I know others feel differently. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 01:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The difference being that Indexes allow us to list and link to works that aren't hosted on WikiSource yet. Readers can also see the year and author (even a brief summary) of the work, giving it context, so they know what a work is. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare} 01:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Just for you, kid. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 02:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

And again, I'm easy. —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 03:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)