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Category:Juventus F.C. Under-23

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 08:46, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Juventus U23's name has been changed to Juventus Next Gen. Juventus F.C. Under-23 has arleady been moved to Juventus Next Gen. Please, do the same changes with the subcategories.

Pinging Nehme1499, GiantSnowman, Ortizesp, SuperJew and Mellohi! who took part to the article's RM. Dr Salvus 22:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renamings
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Category:Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific

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The result of the discussion was: rename/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The article Turner Broadcasting System Asia Pacific was renamed to WarnerMedia Entertainment Networks Asia Pacific in May 2021, and Turner International India was merged into it; then it was renamed again in May 2022 to Warner Bros. Discovery Asia-Pacific after the corporate merger with Discovery, Inc. Turner Broadcasting System Latin America was similarly moved to WarnerMedia Latin America and then to Warner Bros. Discovery Americas. These can probably go ahead speedily as WP:C2D, but as there is a merge I am listing the set for a full discussion. The categories were tagged by MegaSmike46 in July but not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 20:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Consequences of wars

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Category:Underground films

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Subjective inclusion criteria, same reason as the Cult films category. hinnk (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom.
Ortizesp (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Metasongs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 09:56, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Metasong" is not defined in Wikipedia or at Wiktionary (Metasong is a cross-namespace redirect to this category). There are only two articles in the category where "metasong" is actually mentioned in the article (Highway Song (James Taylor song) and Memories of El Monte; in other cases assigning them to this ill-defined category appears to be WP:OR. If this category is deleted, also speedy-delete-G8 the redirect Metasong. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fiction about astronomical locations

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Architecture by country and style

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The result of the discussion was: rename to "Architecture in FOO by period or style" (option 4). There has always been a consensus that something should be done, and post-relist, this discussion seemed to have more support for Option 4. bibliomaniac15 03:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Harmonise the inconsistent category names within Category:Architecture by country and style, and match them better to the rest of the hierarchy above and below.
Either Option 1: as listed above, to (i) create consistency with the parent e.g. "Architecture of Albania"; (ii) use "style" rather than "period" where this describes the contents, following precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 7#Category:Australian architecture by period; (iii) split some between articles on styles and sub-cats by style, following the split of the parents Category:Architectural styles and Category:Architecture by style at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 15#Category:Architectural styles.
or Option 2: as above but use "in" rather than "of", e.g. Category:Architecture in Albania by style, because this would also match the sub-categories e.g. Category:Gothic architecture in Albania. All the sub-sub-cats of Category:Architecture by style and country use "in"; only the sub-cats of Category:Rococo architecture use "of". If there is support for Option 2, I propose to also nominate all the parents for renaming likewise, e.g. Category:Architecture of Albania to Category:Architecture in Albania. – Fayenatic London 10:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • @Johnbod: I would be grateful for a further reply. You seem to be mainly opposing some which would change "period" to "style". If "period" is not removed, can the change from "Fooian" to "of/in Foo" go ahead (option 3/4)?
  • As for "of" versus "in", consider whether it is useful for Aswan Dam and Sardeh Band Dam to remain in Category:Architecture of the Soviet Union. They were built with Soviet support in Egypt and Afghanistan, so were originally in "Soviet architecture"; but the pages would have to be removed if it was renamed to "Architecture in the Soviet Union". – Fayenatic London 20:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Option 3, or failing that, Option 4 (no real difference). Any response @Johnbod? @Marcocapelle, do you have any preference between 1/2 and 3/4 (your !vote above is unclear). — Qwerfjkltalk 15:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is unclear indeed. I do have a clear preference for any of the above renaming options over the status quo (since they all change it to "of Albania") and a weak preference for option 3/4 over 1/2. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting a fourth time is a bit of an unprecedented thing, but we're pretty close to a consensus. It all comes down to "in vs. of." I'd like a further assessment from others on the analysis that Fayenatic london brought up: Do we conform the name to the parent or the subcats, and is the scope/intention of these cats geographic or not?
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  • Still oppose the whole thing - this will create a bigger mess than we already have. Some names that look like "period"s are, I'm sure, in fact styles, & dividing the two will be harmfully confusing. In a similar way blanket changes to adjectives/in/of will have bad effects where borders have changed. This is the sort of top down rearrangement that appears fine here, but is likely to cause a mess in the sub-cats (which are not nominated). More and more, I distrust proposals based on "consistency". Johnbod (talk) 04:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The objection about periods and styles is an objection to option 1 and 2 only, right? With respect to bad effects of changes from adjectives to in/of, I can't quite imagine how that would make a difference, can you give an example? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has been relisted to solve the "in" or "of" issue. With respect to the example of Fayenatic london, I do not think we should include these articles in a Soviet country category. Apparently my thinking rather comes from an "in" perspective. These examples are a special case that may deserve a special category, e.g. Category:Buildings and structures built by the Soviet Union abroad. China may well have a sibling. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In that case there is a preference for option 4. Perhaps my presentation has been too confusing for Johnbod to see the proposal clearly, as he has not presented any objections to what is actually intended. He objects to splitting categories by period from categories by style, but this proposal puts categories by period and style together. The categories for China, Italy, Spain and Turkey would no longer be split. The only splitting, e.g. for America, Britain and Canada, is to separate out the articles about styles from the subcats of buildings, where there is sufficient content to justify a separate category for such articles. Here is Option 4 in full. Look – the Irish categories by period and by style get merged together:
– Fayenatic London 16:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
remainder of Option 3
As a spectator to this, I ask, how long until this CFD will be inevitably closed as no consensus? It has been relisted 4 times since late June to no avail, and those with dust mite allergies must be suffering harshly as we I speak. — Mugtheboss (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, so, I have no opinion on the nom, but I think the problem this discussion seems to be having, is noted right in the article, Architecture:
    • "It is both the process and the product of sketching, conceiving, planning, designing, and constructing buildings or other structures."
    So for the question of "of" vs "in", for me it's a simple question:
    Is the intention to consider the category contents as art (the abstract - the "process") or a contructed object located somewhere (the concrete - the "product")?
    If it's art, then we should use "of". If it's an object, then it should be "in"
    And by the way - this issue exists in most of art, especially the fine arts. So we probably should keep that in mind, as this could/should probably lead to some broader discussions. - jc37 01:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (!voted above) Option 4 ("in") or failing that Option 3 ("of"). I suggest this discussion should be closed either way, and the of/in matter discussed in another discussion. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Funeral directors of the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: merge & rename to Category:Funeral-related companies of the United Kingdom. – Fayenatic London 12:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same thing as far as I can see. Rathfelder (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Funeral directors of Austria

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Pickle cabal

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate joke/nonsense user categories. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Addendum: On a more serious note, I don't think the guideline rational by the nominator applies: It states This includes any grouping of users that is patently false (e.g. Wikipedians who are zombies, Wikipedians in their 780s) [...], which would apply if the category would claim "Wikipedians who are Pickles". These users don't make the absurd claim to be a (delicious) food item, but rather that they are part of a "cabal", which is a long-standing "inside joke" around here, so much that cabals have their own humour page, as Pickleswipe pointed out. –LordPickleII (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs about Hawaii

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The result of the discussion was: keep and purge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Like many other "songs about" categories, a lot of the entries are present because of WP:SHAREDNAME, and Hawaii being in the title. For example "Harleys in Hawaii" by Katy Perry is nothing about the country/state. Many of these songs do not have lyrical content that relates to Hawaii >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 23:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have removed the cat from Harleys in Hawaii. I suggest you remove any other articles on songs which are not about Hawaii, leaving the category only including articles on songs about Hawaii.--Mhockey (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On what basis? You need to provide a rational? If Category for deletion requests are like other AFDs, we're not supposed to remove content before deleting them. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 16:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If an article is in the wrong category, we do not delete the category. We remove the article from the category. If you want to argue that all the articles in the category are wrongly categorised, you need to provide a rationale. Arguing that "a lot of the articles" are wrongly categorised, without saying which (except for one), is no rationale for deleting the category. Mhockey (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Removing members of a category is frowned upon if it is a way of forcing a delete. Removing members that do not belong in the category is fine. Richhoncho (talk) 10:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a subcat of Category:Songs about states of the United States, so even if it had only a few members, it seems that it should be kept per WP:SMALLCAT. Mhockey (talk) 19:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Video game nobility

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Nobility characters in video games Timrollpickering (talk) 11:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Current name is a bit akward and doesn't mesh with its child categories. "Video game nobility/royalty" could casually refer to people who are highly regarded within the gaming comunity. ★Trekker (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Writing systems derived from the Phoenician

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:08, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, writing systems have a complex history and the (small or large) similarity with the ancient Phoenician script is better discussed in a list article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional locations by location

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, weird category title and sparsely populated with subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Association footballers' wives and girlfriends

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Category:Deaths from brain cancer

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The result of the discussion was: Merge all. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:23, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Neither place nor cause of death are defining where the cause is common.' Rathfelder (talk) 09:51, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be part of the cleanup process - merging is fine. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be quite happy to see them all deleted, along with their parents, but I cant see how that can be done. Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you intend to have all Deaths from cancer by country subdivision upmerged to national level, or to have the Deaths from brain cancer tree upmerged to Deaths from cancer in general, or both? It should be clear what you are after, because then we can help you thinking along. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:30, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People fined in the Partygate scandal

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Uyezds

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The result of the discussion was: rename all (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More uezds by governorate
Nominator's rationale: Following WP:RM at Talk:Uezd. Three of these were tagged by user:Nunuxxx in July but not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 06:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Elisabethpol Governorate

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:52, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Following a WP:RM at Talk:Elizavetpol Governorate. That move previously had no consensus in 2011 and had little participation in July 2022, so I am listing this for a full CFD discussion rather than Speedy. These were tagged by user:Nunuxxx in July but not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 05:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ceramic objects

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ceramics. There seems to have been some confusion over the proposal. I believe it was intended as a merge, at least for the subcategories. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Pointless, misnamed new creation, under which various large categories have been placed, mostly not containing articles on objects at all. There was no discussion before, & the creator, User:Evrik has a track record for this sort of thing. Parenting at Category:Ceramics should be restored. The category is just not needed, & should just be deleted. Johnbod (talk) 00:53, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: As pointed out below, this should really be a "re-merge back to where they were in the first place", rather than deleting to leave them parentless. . I did say "Parenting at Category:Ceramics should be restored." Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please refrain from personal attacks? --evrik (talk) 03:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Personal attacks are very unhelpful. Rathfelder (talk) 10:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Says another creator of undiscussed and uselss categories. Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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