Jump to content

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 10

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< May 9 May 11 >

May 10

[edit]

Argentine Civil War belligerents

[edit]
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Federales as proposed; Unitarian to Category:Unitarianists (Argentina), noting the use on Unitarian Party; revisit if necessary. There are concerns about confusion with religious Unitarians, regardless of their strength in Argentina. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename The use of the term "politicians" is a bit problematic here. Unlike other wars, this one was a war between two rival factions of warlords. "Civil" authorities who had never been in a battlefield were scarce in either side: the governors of provinces and even the heads of state (such as Rosas, Urquiza or Mitre) were warlords (sometimes they are mentioned as "Caudillos", but for clarity, "warlord" is the word that any English-speaker should understand).

Note as well that the Unitarians have no relation with religious unitarianism, they are something else. So, I proposed "Unitarians (Argentina)" instead of "Argentine unitarians". It is the same system already used with Category:Republicans (United States) (members of the Republican party), which is not a subcategory of Category:Republicans (supporters of a Republican system of government, as opposed to a monarchy or other alternatives). Religious unitarianism has never been strong in Argentina, and within the context of Argentine history, "Unitarian" has a unique and unambiguous meaning. Cambalachero (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:The Beatles B-side songs

[edit]
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. Neither parent needs diffusion and an earlier category of Nirvana B-sides was deleted. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Plants with giant seed pods

[edit]
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete - jc37 11:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Unless "giant seed pod" is a scientific description or classification, this seems to be categorization that is somewhat subjective. It's not clear what would make a seed pod "giant" and what the size comparison is that is being used is. As compared to the seed? To the plant as a whole? To seed pods from other plants? Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator and per WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE, which specifically deprecates "any reference to size: large, small, tall, short, etc". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all rather relative.RafikiSykes (talk) 22:14, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete clearly plants with small pods are being discriminated against. Benkenobi18 (talk) 13:31, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as it stands there is no way to know what plants go here. When is a seed pod giant? Even if we got a definition based on either 1-size, or 2-relative size to the plant or even 3-relative size to the seed, we would have to have it be more than some arbitrary size someone made up for it to be a justified category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not delete: as briefly emphasized in the category description, large seedpods have decorative value (Enthadas, for example, are used extensively for this purpose in East Asia and Pacific regions). From this perspective, botanical significance of the category is utterly unimportant, since the primary significance is cultural. It is also clear what "giant" means in this context: it means sizeable compared to the human body (say, above 30cm, the size of the forearm), since that is what would be used in interior decoration. Please do not delete the category (your arguments are phrased from a botanical perspective that is not of primary importance here). If needed, I can add further clarifications on the category page. InMemoriamLuangPu (talk) 01:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • We can set up a strict criterion (in centimeters), if that's required by the rules, but I do not see why it's necessary (there are certainly aesthetic and stylistic categories on wikipedia art pages for which no strict inclusion criteria can be set up). My point is that I am very open to renaming the category in a way that suits guidelines better, but I am strongly opposed to its deletion, because I do not see how it harms wikipedia, and indeed, it can be useful to some people (example: people interested in using plant material for decoration). InMemoriamLuangPu (talk) 08:39, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Musical groups that employ three guitarists

[edit]
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Seems to be a rather arbitrary criterion for categorization. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep I'm the creator of the category, and I don't know, I just created it mainly because I thought it would make of an interesting category given that there are many blog discussions out there that ask of bands that have three guitarists. It's been an interesting topic of discussion for the past recent years, but if you don't see it as something that is needed, delete it if you need to. • GunMetal Angel 04:09, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Interesting" isn't normally the standard by which we determine the usefulness of a Wikipedia category. A lot of possible categories have the potential to be interesting to some people without being properly encyclopedic. Bearcat (talk) 04:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_May_10&oldid=1143535318"