Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soulpepper Theatre Company

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Soulpepper Theatre Company

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Article lacks any references, list of "awards" are awards received by members of this company, not by the company per se. Article requires evidence of notability as shown by multiple non-trivial reliable independent sources, not by information on gift certificates. KDS4444^Talk 14:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article fails WP:V as there are no sources cited. Markangle11 (talk) 17:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It needs refs, but Soulpepper is one of Canada's most prominent theatre companies. A quick search of the CBC finds 200 articles, 400 in the Toronto Star. There is also a full article in the Canadian Encyclopedia. - SimonP (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep only if this can be better improved. Pinging Voceditenore. SwisterTwister talk 04:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Snowy keep Oh goodness, no. I find it hard to believe that a theatre company of similar stature from the nominator's own country would have been nominated by him. Do a Gnews search for the term ""Soulpepper." You can leave off "theatre" and "company" as they're not WP:COMMONNAME nor even WP:OFFICIALNAME, according to Soulpepper's own website (this page should be renamed). Yes, it's an unreferenced article for this highly notable theatre but Afd is WP:NOTCLEANUP and there is no reason on earth for us to be wasting time with this discussion. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No indeed. No reason to waste our time if the article had been properly referenced in the first place according to terms that have been emphasized and laid out long ago. No need at all. Instead, we find ourselves here. KDS4444^Talk 21:28, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:MUST and WP:BEFORE. We find ourselves here because you brought us here, pointlessly, without a clue as to what Afd is actually for, apparently.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fairly obvious keep. There is plenty of coverage at a national level, and even back in 2001 this theatre company was generating media coverage internationally. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:08, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And on the subject of Soulpepper per se not winning any awards, Googling "Soulpepper + award" shows that it just won an Ontario Premier's Award for Excellence in the Arts this week, and it just won major Canadian theatre award Dora Mavor Moore Awards within the past few months. So I really have to wonder if any WP:BEFORE work at all went into this nomination. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:11, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(Let us be clear, however: the Dora awards are Toronto-based awards, and are not even Provincial in scope.) KDS4444^Talk 21:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Toronto theatre awards: Toronto is Canada's English theatre capital in much the same way that Broadway is for your country. Is that too local for you, too? Honestly, I'm done with this. If you had a shred of sense you'd withdraw this. But whatever. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the Tony Awards are New York City based and not strictly national or even statewide in scope, either, but that doesn't make them any less notable or encyclopedic. Bearcat (talk) 22:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely needs referencing improvement, but Soulpepper is one of the most notable theatre companies in Canada, full stop. Keep and flag for reference improvement. Bearcat (talk) 22:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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