Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Organization of Ontario Secondary Students
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. MBisanz talk 21:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Questionably notable, sourced only to a few local newspaper articles or else sources which are not actually about the group and written with a confessed conflict of interest in a promotional tone Jac16888 Talk 21:06, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Jac16888, I would like to know what you find about the article to be written in a promotional tone. Rather than deleting the article, please let me know what should be changed or edited in the article. The article is purely based on facts from several reputable newspaper sources. Nevertheless, to lessen your concern, I will add more sources immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Dawg (talk • contribs) 22:05, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete per A7. Totally unimportant minor student club or organisation. Sources are routine local coverage that every school gets in its local newspaper or news channel. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Kudpung, this is untrue. The Organization has had meetings with several important authority figures, including Laurel Broten, Ontario Minister of Education, as well as Halton District Superintendent of Education Stuart Miller and Board Trustee Kathryn Bateman-Olmstead. There is also a planned meeting this Monday with the president of the Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation, Ken Coran. The sources listed do not do routine coverage of the mentioned schools, they were specifically contacted for the mentioned events (Sport Your Extra-Curricular Day, Letter Petition, etc.) This means that the OOSS has been recognized by the leaders of both major stakeholders involved (the OSSTF and the Ministry of Education), as well as media from across the metropolitan city of Toronto. The organization is not minor and irrelevant, in fact, it is growing to be a large student-run initiative across the province of Ontario. Please reconsider your recommendation for the deletion of this article. D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 03:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Dawg (talk • contribs) -- Edited my comment: D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 03:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately your comments probably won't carry much weight as you have a clear Conflict of Interest and it does look very much as if you are here to promote the organisation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Kudpung, may I inform you that while I am a representative of the Organization, a conflict of interest is only present if there is "incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor". My aim is not to promote my organization, but simply to inform others in a neutral perspective about a notable organization that exists in the province of Ontario. Therefore I do not believe that I have a conflict of interest, because I am very much in accordance with Wikipedia's aim to provide only non-biased, informational encyclopedia material.
Again, I am not here to promote my organization but rather to inform others about it. I see no reason why the sources provided are not reputable enough to show the notability of this organization. Please inform me of why my comments do not carry substantial weight. Thanks, D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 17:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Dawg (talk • contribs)
- Kudpung, may I inform you that while I am a representative of the Organization, a conflict of interest is only present if there is "incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor". My aim is not to promote my organization, but simply to inform others in a neutral perspective about a notable organization that exists in the province of Ontario. Therefore I do not believe that I have a conflict of interest, because I am very much in accordance with Wikipedia's aim to provide only non-biased, informational encyclopedia material.
- Unfortunately your comments probably won't carry much weight as you have a clear Conflict of Interest and it does look very much as if you are here to promote the organisation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Kudpung, this is untrue. The Organization has had meetings with several important authority figures, including Laurel Broten, Ontario Minister of Education, as well as Halton District Superintendent of Education Stuart Miller and Board Trustee Kathryn Bateman-Olmstead. There is also a planned meeting this Monday with the president of the Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation, Ken Coran. The sources listed do not do routine coverage of the mentioned schools, they were specifically contacted for the mentioned events (Sport Your Extra-Curricular Day, Letter Petition, etc.) This means that the OOSS has been recognized by the leaders of both major stakeholders involved (the OSSTF and the Ministry of Education), as well as media from across the metropolitan city of Toronto. The organization is not minor and irrelevant, in fact, it is growing to be a large student-run initiative across the province of Ontario. Please reconsider your recommendation for the deletion of this article. D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 03:46, 27 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Dawg (talk • contribs) -- Edited my comment: D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 03:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- '... to inform others about it' is precisely a form of promotion when it comes from someone as closely connected to the subject. If your organisation is as important as you claim, then journalists would have reported worldwide about it and an unconnected author would have written the Wiki article about it citing the multiple, in-depth WP:Reliable sources. Please remember to sign your posts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Kudpung, with all due respect I would disagree, as the purpose would be to inform and not promote. Additionally, journalists worldwide would not have reported about our organization because the organization and the situation it pertains to handling only exist within the province of Ontario, which is where the organization is receiving media attention. D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 00:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Dawg (talk • contribs)
- Also, I was just looking at my comment, which I thought I signed with four tildes. However, Sinebot seems to have claimed my comment was unsigned and auto-signed it for me. As you are an experienced member of Wikipedia, could you quickly inform me if there was an issue with the way I was signing my comments? I simply typed my comment and added four tildes at the end. Thank you! D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 03:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D-Dawg (talk • contribs)
- '... to inform others about it' is precisely a form of promotion when it comes from someone as closely connected to the subject. If your organisation is as important as you claim, then journalists would have reported worldwide about it and an unconnected author would have written the Wiki article about it citing the multiple, in-depth WP:Reliable sources. Please remember to sign your posts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete - A7 per Kudpung. Mlpearc (powwow) 01:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Mlpearc, I would like to advise you to read the comments I posted above in response to Kudpung explaining why the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students is a credible organization present across the province of Ontario, Canada. D-Dawg (Representative of the Organization of Ontario Secondary Students) 02:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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