Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lylla

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L#Lylla. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lylla

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A relatively minor character from the Marvel Comic Strips. From a read-through of the article, her comics history seems non-existent, and her reception is almost entirely consistent of listicles. While they can help support notability, the section is composed entirely of them and praise from PETA. A BEFORE turned up nothing beyond speculation and recaps for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, as well as more listicles. There doesn't seem to be enough notability to justify a separate article. From a glance, and as most of the information seems to be MCU related, I feel merging most of the MCU related reception to the List of Marvel Universe Characters: A-L article might be a decent AtD, but I'm not too sure. Pokelego999 (talk) 00:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Comics and animation. Pokelego999 (talk) 00:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L: Coverage of the character almost entirely consists of trivial mentions and listicles, which don't generally constitute significant coverage. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 00:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep RS, independent, non-trivial coverage in CBR, The Direct, The Mary Sue, and Gamerant. While I appreciate that the nom stated a BEFORE search had been conducted, I don't find any of these congruent with speculation and recaps for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, as well as more listicles. Jclemens (talk) 01:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- CBR entry does not appear to be SIGCOV, it just says the character will be voiced by someone. Other sources add some plot summary. I am not impressed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - And yet, three RSes meets GNG, whether you're impressed or not, correct? Jclemens (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My concern with those sources is that the vast majority, outside of plot recap, give at most one or two sentences directly discussing the character. Normally I'd be fine with that if there were larger articles more directly discussing the character, but there don't seem to be any that don't fall under this category. Sure, they constitute as coverage, but the coverage they give is extremely weak and barebones. The article itself is also so short that a merger into the character's list would most likely not even bloat it that substantially. There really doesn't seem to be enough here to justify separation. Pokelego999 (talk) 02:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So I'm confused, did you find them in your BEFORE and dismiss them, or not? Jclemens (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I found several of them, among similar sources, though some of them I did not notice in my before. I dismissed a lot of sources like these because they don't really give much coverage on the subject. Pokelego999 (talk) 12:46, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Jclemens. BOZ (talk) 01:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Low quality sources that talk about voice actors, plus some plot summary, is not enough for encyclopedia. Unless we can find some SIGCOV-meeting coverage that goes beyond "this new character will be a romantic interest for another more estabilished character" all we can do is to create a fancrufty plot summary. This is not what a serious encyclopedia should have. PS. I did not read Pokelego999's second comment above until having written mine, but I think we both make the same argument. There is nothing to write here outside plot summary and list of appearances. That's not enough. Maybe more sourcing will appear in the future, which is why I prefer SOFTDELETE redirect approach. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:04, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L#Lylla per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 10#Arthur Harrow. Obscure and non-notable character in the comics, only known to the public because of the film. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- You do know that Lylla has had some other media appearances before her MCU counterpart debuted. Right? --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Film/Marvel Cinematic Universe task force has been notified of this discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Redirect per nom. After WP:BEFORE, I'm not seeing enough WP:SIGCOV to write an article that is more than WP:PLOT or speculation. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Redirect per norm. Babysharkboss2 (talk) 14:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the claims of @Jclemens and BOZ: or merge back to List of Marvel Comics characters: L while sending the MCU history to Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe: A–L#Lylla in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep, based on coverage referenced above, reflecting forty years of comic book appearances and other media appearances, culminating in adaptation for prominent inclusion in the fourth-highest-grossing film of 2023. BD2412 T 03:01, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of Marvel Comics characters: L. I'm not sure anything from the GOTGV3 film makes the comic version of the character notable enough for standalone (most of the coverage seems to be "she was in the comic" and that's about it); it's not quite as much of a name-slap as, say, Luke Jacobsen or all those Agents of SHIELD characters, but it's also not too far But there's no reason it can't be dropped into the admittedly-disastrous character list with a note about the film version pointing to the appropriate section of the MCU character list, and the sources would strengthen the list article. And it could also be split back off if there's some sort of situation where the character is reincorporated into the comics and goes on to be a well-covered feature of the comics universe over the next few years, so merge would be preferred to preserve page history. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 11:02, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Not enough non-trivial RS coverage to retain an article. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, still all over the map here with editors advocating Keep, Redirect, Merge and Delete. Rather than closing this as No consensus I'll try a second relisting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with merging, this page does not seem to be up to Wikipedia's standards. 01:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC) TheRealOj32 (talk) 01:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.