Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fun Cam

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Advertorially toned WP:BLP of a musician with no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no strong reliable source coverage. The strongest claim here is that he was nominated at the Toronto Independent Music Awards -- a local award for which even a win wouldn't constitute an NMUSIC pass in and of itself, let alone a nomination -- and the referencing here is entirely to unreliable blogs and his album's sales page on iTunes, with no evidence of coverage in even one source that would count toward passing WP:GNG. As always, Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which a musician is automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article just because he and his music exist; certain specific markers of achievement that would pass WP:NMUSIC have to be shown, and a certain specific quality and volume of sourcing has to be present to support it, for an article to become earned. Bearcat (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think Bearcat has put it eloquently. What they say is quite true.31.53.55.238 (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:20, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:20, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Quite clearly fails Wikipedia:NMUSIC --The Wrong Tea (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep According to WP:NMUSIC a musician must have atleast been nominated for a major award, of which he does and indie Minded and Razmataz Magazine are notable sources. MassiveYR ♠ 22:54, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Major award" means the Junos, the Grammys, the Polaris, the Mercury, the Brits, that kind of thing. It does not mean the "Toronto Independent Music Awards". And indie minded and Razmataz are both blogs — reliable sourcing for an article about a musician means Exclaim!, Spin, Rolling Stone, that sort of thing, not random WordPress blogs. Bearcat (talk) 22:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat: I hear you but why then are the "Toronto Independent Music Awards" on Wikipedia if they are not major Awards? MassiveYR ♠ 13:47, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's always technically possible for anybody to try to create an article about anything at all, whether it actually meets our reliable sourcing requirements or not. No process exists to preemptively stop me from creating an article about my cat if I wanted to — it wouldn't be a keepable article by any stretch of the imagination, but there's nothing to actually stop me from creating one, and once it's in place somebody else would have to actually see it and nominate it for a deletion process before it could actually get removed. And even if the TIMAs were actually properly sourced, which they're not, it is possible for an award to be sourceable enough to pass our basic notability standards for getting an article about it, yet still not major enough to confer notability per NMUSIC on every musician who ever won it. Bearcat (talk) 13:48, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat: well all in all, I did invest some time and effort :-)). Similar remarks regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fun Cam. The article should be kept I can improve the sources. MassiveYR ♠ 10:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you can improve the sources, then do that. An AFD can be withdrawn if the article is sufficiently improved, but the improvement has to actually happen first — an AFD is not going to be withdrawn just because somebody says better sources exist but doesn't show them. Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per nominator. Fails NMUSIC. Bennv3771 (talk) 23:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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