Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Thache Jr.

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The result was merge to Blackbeard. Sandstein 09:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Thache Jr.

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Queried speedy delete as "does not expand significantly on article Blackbeard", but how likely is it that Edward Thache Jr. was Blackbeard? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 03:35, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's a separate article for Blackbeard but under his given name - why do we need this? Would be fine with a redirect or merge of any information not in the main article. SportingFlyer talk 06:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article describes a person who might be Blackbeard, but is not at all accepted by the WP Pirate crew that guard that page. It does offer significant new detail as to the military service of Edward Thache Jr. If you can see somehow merging it with "Blackbeard," I'd say that's perfectly acceptable, but I've tried this before and encountered resistance. They seem to feel it may not be Blackbeard. In that regard, this separate article seems appropriate as it could be a different person. SC9370176CEC (talk) 12:51, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Page Edward Thache Jr. contains matter that is not on page Blackbeard. If it can be proved that both pages are about the same man, text-merge will be needed. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Merge Its pertains to most of the information about Blackbeard. The article is not needed. While some info is different, there are too many similarities. Reb1981 (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reb1981, if this article has "many similarities" to the Blackbeard article, could you please be specific and list them? I see very little similarity. For instance, besides the dates of birth and presumed death, what info in the first and main paragraph appears on the Blackbeard page? This article pertains to actual research with primary source material (i.e. real documents). The Blackbeard article comes almost exclusively from one controversial source: A General History of Pyrates of 1724 by Charles Johnson. He almost certainly made up a lot of info that the world has accepted unequivocally for 300 years now... especially the notorious bits. This article includes valuable info that should be available for future conversation. It should not be deleted outright. As I said, if the pirate fans who love GHoP guarding the Blackbeard page can be convinced to give a little, then it could be and should be merged. Again, this is actual research. A General History is a secondary source from 1724, written by a polemical newspaper publisher repeatedly jailed for his Jacobitism (actual name: Nathaniel Mist).SC9370176CEC (talk) 05:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Merge to Blackbeard. However since the identity of Blackbeard of Johnson's book is not quite certain, perhaps an alternative might be to keep this but prune the earlier part of Blackbeard. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Blackbeard. Thache is only notable if he is infact Blackbeard.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.