Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Hawley

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. EdJohnston (talk) 05:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Hawley

A baseball player at a Canadian university is not notable.

Weak Keep - CIS baseball is the Canadian equivalent to NCAA, which may meet the WP:ATHLETE "highest level of amateur" criteria. 204.83.242.149 (talk) 11:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bah, forgot to login Grandmartin11 (talk) 11:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ A good point, and I appreciate the citation to policy. I'd note that the statement regarding "Competitors who have competed at the highest level of amateur sports" is preceded by another section that refers to "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." By this, I would conclude that WP:ATHLETE does not mean that all college athletes are inherently notable just by having played on a major college team, NCAA Division I or CIS. Strictly speaking, the highest level of amateur baseball competition would be the Olympics, university games, a national college championship, etc. Hawley could potentially be shown to be notable in comparison to other amateur baseball players, but isn't entitled to an article by virtue of playing college baseball. Mandsford (talk) 01:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No Opinion I'm not familiar enough with Canadian baseball to comment... however, I completely disagree with the assertion that "because a professional league exists, the amateur leage is nullified" -- I've put up an essay (relating to college football) at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Amateur that I think might be worth reading. There is nothing in WP:ATHLETE to say that a professional leaguge negates an amateur league.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who made that assertion, but I'll go ahead and join you in disagreeing with whoever said that. You're right, there's no provision in WP:ATHLETE for a professional league to negate an amateur league. If a professional field hockey league were created, the notability standards for college field hockey players would remain the same. What is true is that the Wikipedia guidelines confer the presumption of notability on persons who have "competed in a fully professional league"; as of yet, there is no similar guideline for players in an amateur league. Mandsford (talk) 22:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr.Z-man 17:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Longstanding consensus has held that simple collegiate competition does not itself make the athlete notable — it's definitely not the highest possible level of competition, at least for such a widely-played sport as baseball. Only the awards that he's received, such as the MVP for the league, make this player notable. Nyttend (talk) 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Based on the Nyttend's argument, I'm changing my vote, since there's a showing of notability among other Canadian college baseball players. What's referred to is that Hawley had received an award as the pitcher of the year in the Ontario University Athletics association, which is one of the four regional associations in Canadian Intercollegiate Sports (formerly CIAU). One can point out that the OUA is not as strong a league as, say, the SEC baseball teams in America. I'd look at it as Hawley being selected as one of the four best collegiate pitchers in Canada during at least one season in his career. Mandsford (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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