Talk:The Kerala Story/Archive 1

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Archive 1

32,000 girls being trafficked from Kerala is obvious bunkum but is Shalini Unnikrishnan's ordeal based on any true story? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

I was trying to bust ‘love jihad’ theory [..] I come from a Communist family and do not believe in ‘love jihad’, a concept which is even being propagated by the likes of UP chief minister Yogi Adityanath. And this is exactly what I wanted to show through my film [..] There is nothing like "love jihad" but the problem is forceful conversions
— Sudipto Sen, in April 2018, defending his documentary against JNU students who alleged his work to advocate for the existence of Love Jihad.

Sen said [that] he didn’t believe "love jihad" exists. However, the film’s official poster and ads described it as a film on "love jihad".
— Times of India, covering the JNU fracas in May 2018.

This political compulsion is such that a Union minister is compelled to tell Parliament: "No constitutional phrase like "love jihad" exists in Indian legal system or society." There is no doubt about the fact that India is a multicultural and diverse country. Inter-religion marriage exists traditionally in our society, from time immemorial. Love itself is religion in our faith and belief. But in these "love jihad" cases, conversion to Islam is the precondition of "love" -- and here lies the conspiracy.
— Sudipto Sen, in September 2021, reminiscing the context of the documentary.

TrangaBellam (talk) 15:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Sen's animus aside, that was a good rewrite TB. It was awful before and replete with POV issues. Looks well organised with much simpler and perspicuous prose now, conforms to NPOV to boot. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, MBL! TrangaBellam (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

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I want add this data in article AKASH TH15 (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Kautilya3 (talk) 16:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Opinions cannot be written as facts in Wikipedia's own voice, as per WP:VOICE.

Statements made in Wikivoice:

• "The film courted controversy after its teaser mounted its fictional claim about ..." changed to "In the film, thousands of girls ..." (writing it as it is) to adhere to NPOV. Also, controversy or plot event accuracy are not to be discussed in the opening paragraph itself, which is intended to provide basic information on the film.
• "... as part of an "international conspiracy" to render Kerala an Islamic state", a blatant violation of WP:VOICE.
• "... release of the film for propagating communal misinformation". Changed to "release of the film, alleging that it "defames Kerala"" as per source.

WP:WEASEL words:

• "Experts from the Observer Research Foundation ...". Word "expert" is a direct violation of WP:WEASEL

Unsourced statements:

• "... having over nine million Muslims, accounts for less than a quarter."

MOS:CLAIM

• "... made such claims for years"
• "She claims to be one of ..." - Also note that, within the film's universe, it's true whether factually accurate or not in real-life.
• "... which, he claimed, Sen compiled" (BTW, what does this even mean?)

Clarifications made on omitted data without which it could be misleading

• "A 2019 document from the Observer Research Foundation note that about 180 – 200 Indians had joined ISIS from Kerala between 2014 and 2018".
• "Members of Indian National Congress and Communist Party of India (Marxist) ..." - Only one member each from these parties has commented on their "personal capacity".
• "Shah commented that "nothing we say will be without evidence" and that Sen had researched for four years", as per source.

Duplicate references:

• There are 3 duplicate references.

The Doom Patrol (talk) 18:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @EI C, @DaxServer, @Acroterion @Dylnuge, @Materialscientist, Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 04:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tousif.15 and @The Doom Patrol can you summarize what content is actually in dispute here? I'm not sure that I entirely understand; I'm assuming I was pinged for being a recent editor on this page, but I only reverted a blatently unconstructive edit, so I'm not engrossed in the content dispute.

That said, I'll do my best to help clarify the policy points above (keep in mind this is just my own interpretation of policies mentioned above; it may be wrong or not applicable to this specific content dispute):

• WP:VOICE still allows acknowledging the existence of controversies where WP:DUE. Statements like "The film courted controversy" don't strike me as an NPOV violation, properly cited. The "fictional claim" bit seems suspect, though. Deciding what coverage of the controversy is due and how to cover it neutrally requires discussion.
• WP:WEASEL does not state that the word "expert" should never be used. A weasel word is where a word is used to give a vague source to a claim, e.g. "Experts believe that ancient humans used to live on the moon." The quote above clearly attributes the claim in question to the "Observer Research Foundation." There may still be a debate over whether to use a different word here for WP:NPOV reasons, but it doesn't appear to be a weasel word usage. Deciding what language is appropriate here requires discussion.
• Similarly, MOS:CLAIM does not proscribe using the word "claim," it simply cautions against using it as a drop-in alternative for neutral language like "said." Again, deciding what language is appropriate here requires discussion.
• Unsourced statements that are controversial or about a living person should be removed immediately (and can then be re-added with citations, if appropriate). Since this article falls under a contentious topic, that seems highly prudent to do here.
• I'm unclear how duplicate references are under content dispute here.

Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 06:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tayi Arajakate Please cite the relevant text from those two articles you are using to show that the film was stated to have portrayed itself as a true story, and is stated to be a making a "false claim"? Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 06:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm unsure what exactly it is that you want, we aren't supposed to verbatim reproduce the terms used in sources if that is what you seek. Our job is to summarise them. These two facts are pretty clear in the sources, they are free to access and you can read them yourself. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 07:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

If you are summarising the whole report in your own words, that would be SYNTH. If there are 2-4 lines you can quote for them, please do. I have gone through them, they call the claims unsubstantiated with fact but not outright false, and they dont accuse the film of claiming factual accuracy. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 08:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Summarising the whole report in one's own words is not synthesis, that's exactly how article content is written. The fact check quite meticulously breaks down the claims and shows them to be inaccurate. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

From the WP:SYNTH page, Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. Not only are you combining what was written in different parts of the source, you are combining the whole source to reach a conclusion not found anywhere in the source. That is WP:SYNTH. The reports say there is no supporting evidence for it. You say its a false claim. Reports say people applauded filmmakers on Twitter for portraying a true story. You claim filmmakers said the story was true. Both are different.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

This is denial of what the sources say and I'd rather not entertain it anymore.

For the sake of clarity. The report is very clear in showing that the filmmakers are depicting the story to be based on true events.

Directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah, ‘The Kerala Story’ claims to unearth the happenings behind 32,000 women who went missing in the state of Kerala. Sharing the teaser of the movie, Sen tweeted, “Shalini, Geetanjali, Nimah &Asifa marked my lifeline since last 5yrs. Choking me till I tell their stories. Soon u’ll get to see a film which u never imagined, in ur remotest imagination. Thank u Ambikaji, @YaduVJkrishnan, @sunshinepicture & Vipul A Shah from bottom of my heart.”

In a conversation with ANI published in ThePrint in March 2022, Sen further said, “As per a recent investigation, since 2009 – nearly 32,000 girls from Kerala and Mangalore from Hindu and Christian communities have been converted to Islam and most of them end up landing in Syria, Afghanistan, and other ISIS and Haqqani influential areas! Despite accepting these facts, the government is hardly contemplating any definitive action plan against such huge international conspiracies led by ISIS-influenced groups.” The character of Fatima, seen in the teaser, is played by actress Adah Sharma. She also shared the viral clip with the hashtag #TrueStory.

The report also doesn't just say there is "no supporting evidence for it", it fact checks them, digs into each part of it, shows falsehoods, claims based on false premises and compares it with real data. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Based on true events is a very common terminology and is different from it being true events. The sentence currently claims the fimmakers to be calling it to be a true story, not based on a true story, which is the accurate phrase.

And it concludes, not that the statements are false, but To sum it up, Alt News found that Sudipto Sen, the director of ‘The Kerala Story’, has repeatedly claimed that 32,000 women have joined ISIS either from India or just Kerala, and mentioned this in his film, without any evidence to back the claim.

The sentence I had used, The film has courted controversy for claiming that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS, without evidence to support this claim is much more accurate to the source than the current "summary". Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 10:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

That's just a cherrypicked line, skipping over the rest of the article and sure, we can change it to something like "apparent depiction of true story". Tayi Arajakate _Talk 11:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Reply away from above discussion: It is reported that in the end credit of the film they said that film is not based on true events and the claim they made that "32,000 girls are recruited in ISIS in the past ten years" are taken from an unknown website which they can't find now. Also they changed this claim in there teaser from 32,000 to 3 girls. Looks like they have made film on data provided by some unreliable source which is not alive now. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, has this been reported by any RS yet? If so it could be added and used as an update, turning the controversy into past tense. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 11:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Not for now but definitely for tomorrow. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thats not a cherry picked line, that is Alt News's summary of their own article. If you have any line that calls it outright false, do post here, otherwise till then I have changed the sentence both sourced correctly and which may be acceptable to you. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 12:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Please add that Supreme Court quashed petitioner's request to stay the release of film and asked petitioner to go to High Court.

CJI quoted "No, we cannot entertain this. We are not seized of the case. The Central Board of Film Certification cleared it. The Kerala High Court refused to stay, and we declined yesterday. Now, after three steps, it is improper for us to hear this." "That bench has applied its mind. Think from the view of the film producer. How many challenges will he face? You must think of the actors and producers – they have all put in their labour. You must be very careful about seeking a stay on films"

https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/the-kerala-story-supreme-court-refuses-stay-filmmaking-hard-work-2368590-2023-05-04

Sudipto Sen in a television interview to Republic TV on 4th May said that Censor Board clear it after 2 months of scrutiny as they provided video evidence of every single interview to censor board. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeX864McCg 118.189.49.2 (talk) 07:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Already added Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The IMDb rating of the movie The Kerala Stories is 8.2. Times Now has rated it as 3.5. How do I add these facts in the reception section? here are supporting links

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt24268454/

https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/the-kerala-story-movie-review-the-kerala-story-imdb-rating-public-review-reaction-the-kerala-story-twitter-review-updates-article-100011217/amp Rojvatokaro (talk) 04:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

IMDB rating are user generated and could has biases, while this section is for reviews from reputed critic's. Any user generated content or reviews are not allowed. I will add review of Times now. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 05:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I would say it could be argued that "it faces allegations of promoting the Sangh Parivar's agenda." doesn't belong in the lead as it is a political allegation made by political parties. We should keep it limited to the opposition section as we have already stated in the lead that this movie portrays false claims. >>> Extorc.talk 18:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I'd agree, the allegations are not widespread and independently covered by RS but rather report of who said what. I'd remove it — DaxServer (t · m · c) 23:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

The lead represents the article body so something from the opposition section should be present there, whether it is that or something else from the section it doesn't matter much to me. But I do think it is the best option and gives a decent snapshot of what kind of controversy it is.

The allegation is widespread enough, they come from across party lines in Kerala. There's nothing per se wrong with representing an allegation if they come from political parties, as long it is made clear that it is an allegation and not a definite fact. Also if it were independently stated by RS then it wouldn't be just an allegation. If it helps, I could make it clearer that it comes from political actors. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 02:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Clarifying with political actors would be better. Can you do that. I'm fine with that, once the movie is released, the article would evolve anyway, so I don't have any counter arguments right now — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

"Political parties in Kerala have accused the filmmakers of promoting the conspiracy theory of Love Jihad." : How about that? Two non-sangh parties accusing something of sangh-like activities is not very explanatory to me. We should be a bit more specific. >>> Extorc.talk 10:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I've specified that it is from political parties now, although haven't changed it to "Love Jihad" which is less widespread of an allegation. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 01:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I have removed that Lgvtm (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

An encyclopaedia like Wikipedia should not contain wild allegations and so, I suggest you people remove this (Sangh Parivar) allegation.-1Firang (talk) 15:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

In a few hours, I will restore the content as in this version but preserve the couple of lines about litigation. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Don't think that would be good. What's wrong with the current version? Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

For a starter, where is the following paragraph?

Sen, the director of the film, has made such claims for years; in 2018, he had directed a documentary on the involuntary mass-conversion of 33,000 Hindu and Christian girls to Islam as part of an "international conspiracy" to render Kerala an Islamic state.

Then, we do not really need to source the data about the number of ISIS recruits from three sources! ORF is a secondary source (and quite reputed in these areas) who screened the government data and analyzed them for us.

Why do we have a blow-by-blow account of Kerala's deliberations to take legal recourse? Undue and NOTNEWS. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:31, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

The blow by blow account is undue yeah, that should be removed. I think the entire legal aspect of it just needs to be re-written in a sentence or two, it didn't amount to much. The paragraph on Sen's previous "documentary" is a bit tangential but if you think appropriate, could re-introduce it though I think other aspects such as say Sen's first teaser which just contained a mistranslated video are a lot more relevant. For whether the data is necessary, I think a bit more detailed account of it is warranted, rather than a single sentence; the Indian government data present in the article is coming through ORF's filtering anyways.

There's a lot of other material that is lost if we revert to the older version though, its a bit too undeveloped in comparison at this point. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 10:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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A sentence in the lead reads, "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)"; please change it to, "The plot follows the real life story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)."-1Firang (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bishonen | tålk 17:43, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

What a absurd request. Claims that the film represent 'real life' events, are contested, to say the least. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Then it can be changed to, "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) which the makers claim is based on true stories.^[1]".-1Firang (talk) 18:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

If it needs to be paraphrased, it can be, ".......which the producer and director claim is based on real life stories".-1Firang (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

An alternative is, "........inspired by the story of four women.^[2]-1Firang (talk) 06:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Another says, The movie tells the "true stories of three young girls from different parts of Kerala,"^[3].-1Firang (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Again, we are not going to include any statement to the effect that the film is 'true', or that it represents 'real life'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

• "PM Modi backs The Kerala Story, says it shows ugly truth of terrorism". The News Minute. 2023-05-05. Retrieved 2023-05-06.
• "Madhya Pradesh CM Chouhan makes 'The Kerala Story' tax-free in state". The News Minute. 2023-05-06. Retrieved 2023-05-06.

Déjà vu? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 21:17, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer: Why don't you add these points to the article?-1Firang (talk) 11:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer: definitely one year back. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 05:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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I want to write the plot as I just watched the movie. Redskyredsun (talk) 14:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You can propose your text here on the talk page, with reliable sources. RegentsPark (comment) 15:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Redskyredsun: Don't let the reliable source bit scare you (it used to scare me before someone told me of a citer tool). Once you write the plot, just append it with what I am citing. It should be blah blah blah.^[1] where blah blah blah is the plot.-1Firang (talk) 16:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

We don't cite IMDB as a source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@AndyTheGrump: Can he cite this: blah blah blah.^[2] where blah blah blah is the plot and ^[2] is the cited source?-1Firang (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

When I write 'we do not cite IMDb as a source', I mean exactly that. And nor will we cite the piece in the Economic Times. Please familiarise yourself with how Wikipedia works before giving advice to others. Start by reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and you should be able to figure out why. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I give up, maybe you should tell him what can be cited as a reference yourself!-1Firang (talk) 17:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

To include content in Wikipedia, you need to find a relevant source, and see what it actually says. A source meeting the Wikipedia:Reliable sources guideline. You then paraphrase what the source says, and cite it. You don't write content and then go looking for a 'source' afterwards. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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The 32000 missing girls from kerala is a wrong information and it will be 3 37.131.43.118 (talk) 04:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 05:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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The claim for love jihad being conspiracy theory of sangh pariwar is utter baseless propoganda by Congress , coz there are proofs that suggest targetted conversion of non muslim women takes place ! Even Kerala bishop has admitted this 103.151.234.245 (talk) 10:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 12:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment if you would like to contend "Love Jihads" classification as a conspiracy theory please do it here. Googleguy007 (talk) 11:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

The reference

"'32000 Kerala women in ISIS': Misquotes, flawed math, imaginary figures behind filmmaker's claim". Alt News. 8 November 2022."

has become invalidated as there is no claim in the entire film about 32000 women joining ISIS. The film only mentions about 32000 women missing from Kerala state but does not elaborate on reasons and does not specify that the missing women joined ISIS either. If after the fact when film has been released, a reference become an instance of misreporting, should its use be continued? ram das ᵐᵘˡʰⁱᵈ 00:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This topic may be removed. The director has indeed made changes to the movie after this news was published. ram das ᵐᵘˡʰⁱᵈ 20:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I’m sorry but unless you can provide evidence that’s a little stronger I think it’ll probably stick. Saying “32,000 girls from Kerala have gone missing” in a movie about girls from Kerala going missing to join ISIS is an implication so heavy it might as well be a statement. I could be wrong though, this page has a few other stalkers who might disagree. Googleguy007 (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

The budget of the film from the infobox is not visible. please inter the correct amount of it's making in the box. 139.5.240.129 (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@139.5.240.129 done Tirishan (talk) 20:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language film” to “The Kerala Story is a 2023 Hindutva Propaganda Indian Hindi-language film" 2405:201:C001:B8A1:A5CD:8737:B5A4:2AF5 (talk) 11:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC) ^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]}

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. DreamRimmer (talk) 12:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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please add in the Cast

• Pranali Ghogare as Shaziya Raj Kajle (talk) 09:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Please provide Reliable Source for the claim you want to made. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 10:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

The film recently broke the record of the biggest opening week collection for a female centric film in India. It should be added in box office section since it was added in all previous record holders and all successful female lead films has such information about their opening day/weekend/week numbers among the female lead films. There are many sources available on internet, if you want i can provide as well. JabSaiyaan (talk) 13:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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"The Kerala Story" is a powerful and thought-provoking film that sheds light on the critical issue of "love jihad" in India. Directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah, this film features an all-star cast including Adah Sharma, Yogita Bihani, Sonia Balani, and Siddhi Idnani. The plot of the film revolves around the story of a group of women from Kerala who are allegedly converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS. This film has been endorsed by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) as it highlights the truth about this sensitive issue.

Despite facing criticism from a few reviewers who have labeled it as propaganda, "The Kerala Story" has successfully connected with audiences across India. The BJP has used this film as a campaigning tool for the Karnataka assembly election and has rightfully claimed that it represents the ground reality. Despite facing push-back from certain groups and legal cases, this film has been a box office success, grossing over ₹81.36 crore (US$10 million) and becoming the fifth-highest-grossing Hindi film of 2023. "The Kerala Story" is a must-watch film that highlights the truth about "love jihad" and showcases the importance of national unity and security. 206.84.238.84 (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kautilya3 (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Seriously, Kautilya3? There is no kind of sourcing that would crowbar such a POV text into the article. And please don't use ChatGPT here, IP. Bishonen | tålk 10:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC).

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38.41.87.62 (talk) 09:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 09:57, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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103.87.59.104 (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

the material about kerla story movie is bious. Your article is fake.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Can there please be a separate page that talks only about the movie and not about Indian politics which is screwed up as it is? 123.201.245.113 (talk) 00:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

No, because sources discussing the movie discuss it in its political context. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

"And falsely claims that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS" This is not false, there are alot of sources which talks about it please watch this video to learn in detail There is a YouTube channel named AKTK Which explains it And also included all the sources in the video To find the video please search on YouTube "AKTK Kerala story" and pm supported this movie, and other politicians too, I don't think that you are more important than them. 223.191.23.148 (talk) 05:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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it is not a conspiracy theory cases has been registered in india aginst LOVE JIHAD please remove the word "falsely" as it nothing but truth 2405:201:6808:983E:91E0:FBDE:7763:3511 (talk) 06:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Please read the references attached and Love jihad article — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 06:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Here's the version of the plot I submitted in an edit request:

In Afghanistan, Fathima Ba lives in a hideout with her husband Ishaq, a Mujahedeen fighter, and a baby son. Ishaq is shown to martial rape Fathima. Done with the abuse, Fathima volunteers to go to Syria, but defects to UN peacekeeping forces while crossing over Turkey. She recounts her story to the officials.

Fathima was born Shalini Unnikrishnan to a Brahmin family in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram. She joins a nursing college in Kasargod, where her hostel roommates are Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews and Asfiya. Geethanjali is the daughter of an atheist Communist, while Nimah is Catholic and Asfiya is Muslim. They start spending time with Asfiya's cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Over time, Asfiya introduces her friends to concepts of Jahannam and hijab. She encounters resistance only from Nimah, who is a devout Christian. Asfiya is shown to have nefarious intentions. She orchestrates an eve teasing attack on the three in a public place and, convincing Shalini and Geethanjali their dressing provoked it, makes them wear a headscarf.

Love blossoms between Shalini and Ramiz and Geethanjali and Khaliq, and the pairs have sex. Shalini gets pregnant and is convinced by Ramiz to convert to Islam and take on the name Fathima Ba. However, after conversion, she is informed that he died in a mission after volunteering as a Mujahedeen. A local cleric convinces Fathima that her family will not support her pregnancy before marriage and conversion, and that she should marry someone else. Fathima marries Ishaq, someone recommended by the cleric, unaware that he is wanted for several national security crimes.

Meanwhile, Geethanjali figures out that they are being manipulated and confronts Khaliq, but he blackmails her with her nudes. A distraught Geethanjali, faced with the choice to bear humiliation or marry him, dies by suicide. Ishaq and Fsthima travel to Colombo on pretext of a honeymoon, but in reality, are stopping over for their journey to Afghanistan. While in Colombo, Nimah contacts Fathima and tries to tell her to return, but she feels it is too late.

A pregnant Fathima, exposed to the atrocities happening in Afghanistan in the name of religion, regrets her decision. In the present day, she tells the officials that she defected on purpose and asks them to reunite her with her son. The officials tell her that there is no evidence for her story, and she remains in prison.

Ive tried to use neutral wording wherever possible. please see if it can be added to the articles/and address any concerns you mightve with POV here. The current plot is just two sentences and obviously not long term sustainable. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:8C21:DDFF:3737:80AD (talk) 09:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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117.196.199.49 (talk) 06:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

seems to be prejudiced view with Political / Leftist intentions rather than unbiased Information  ; need more neutral view with only objective information

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Read the instructions for edit requests. Vague complaints are not actionable Cannolis (talk) 07:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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I want to add reliable information about missing girls directly from NCRB data to add values in reliability of trusted ^[1]wikipedia Gaurav Mahar Jai Bhim (talk) 13:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

No. This is an article about a film. It is not an article on 'missing girls'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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It should be noyed that none of the cast are from Kerala nor have lived in Kerala for any time. The lack of Kerala advisors or staff working on yhe movie contributes to critism that the story and settings are unauthentic. 172.58.111.64 (talk) 15:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable sources and get consensus for your changes on this talk page.RegentsPark (comment) 18:38, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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A sentence reads, ' The film is premised on the conspiracy theory of "love jihad",[5] and erroneously claims that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS'; please change it to 'The film is based on the widely observed cases of "love jihad" in Kerela ^[1] ,[5] and proves that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS Jatinbaranwal (talk) 06:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Heart ^(talk) 06:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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I saw the movie. Please now add this to the plot section:-
The movie begins with a display that it is based on true incidents and portrays how some female nursing students are brainwashed by one Asifa, some Muslim boys and Muslim priests into believing that Islam is superior to other religions - that Kafirs (non-Muslims) burn in hell, that Jesus was unable to save himself from being tortured to death and hence cannot save others, that Krishna had so many girlfriends, that if one wants money, a Hindu has to pray to a particular God and if one wants power, that Hindu has to pray to another different God and so on but instead, if they pray to "Allah" who is the only God, He alone grants what is asked for. In a mall, these girls are molested but instead of helping them lodge a complaint, they are brain washed by Asifa to believe that if they wear a hijab, which will make them appear decent, these things will not happen and they comply. The Muslim boys are given money and told to do, "love jihad" and even get the girls pregnant if needed. Then one girl realises what is happening and goes back to her parents but unfortunately for her, her Muslim boyfriend who has her nude photos blackmails her to go with him to Syria to join the ISIS but when she refuses, he gets those nude photos uploaded from servers in Pakistan, Malaysia and so on and when that girl hears the news about it, she commits suicide. A Christian classmate of the female lead character is drugged and raped repeatedly but she realises that they are trying to send her to Syria and avoids it. The female lead character, Shalini Unnikrishnan who becomes Fatima Ba after conversion (later) gets pregnant and breaks the news to her boyfriend. Initially, he refuses to acknowledge that that is his child, then she is brainwashed to believe that if she converts to Islam and marries him, all will be fine but he supposedly flies off to the Maldives (but it is shown that he is hiding and watching Shalini and later even seduces another group of girls), so she is told by a Moulvi, that is, a Muslim priest, that she can convert to islam and marry another person called Ishaq. She is further brainwashed that it is a sin to get pregnant before marriage and over that she comes from a family of Kafirs and so, if she goes to Syria to serve the Caliph, Allah will forgive her sins. Ishaq then takes Shalini to Afghanistan and says that they will halt there temporarily in an ISIS hideout and then proceed to Syria. He then rapes her after saying that if a man wants to make love to his wife, the wife should oblige. Shalini then tries to escape but encounters horrible scenes of people being shot and then when she sees a woman's hand being chopped off and her husband undergoing "halaal (neck being cut a little and allowing the victim to bleed to death)", she faints. When she regains consciousness, the wife of the Commander who chopped the woman's hand off tells Shalini that it is futile trying to escape. When Shallini asks what the fault of the woman was due to which her hand was chopped off, she gets the response that she wore lipstick and her husband allowed it which is why they met that fate. Then Shalini is shown to get help from the wife of that Commander, a couple of times. On one occasion, Shalini is able to access a mobile - which is considered "haraam" and not to be used and hence kept away from her - at a neighbour's house and that neighbour's husband finds out about the mobile and shoots her dead. Then Shalini is given news that her husband was killed in a drone strike near Herat and so, she is taken to a camp where there are other women also and these women, including Shalini, are used as sex slaves and a lady complains about the same to the other women - Shalini is also parted from her infant. Then, Shalini and two other women escape but they are found and the two women are shot dead but Shalini escapes by jumping off a cliff and falls unconcious. Then, she is found by the United Nations peace keeping force and incarcerated as a Terrorist and told that the Indian Government considers her a dreaded terrorist, "Fatima Ba". Later it is shown that the boy who seduced Shalini is seducing another group of students with the help of his friends. Shalini's Christian friend goes to the Police to lodge a complaint about what happened but the Police refuse to take her complaint for lack of evidence. At the end, the real life interviews of the parents of the love jihad victims are shown in their mother tongue, Malayalam.^[1] - 1Firang (talk) 19:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Um, no. Even ingnoring the POV-pushing, this isn't WallOfTextoPedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:04, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Totally an absurd request, clearly a violation of WP:NPOV, totally politically motivated and polarized.Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 04:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tousif.15, would it be absurd to suggest that we should blank this request? >>> Extorc.talk 18:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

It's probably a real summary and not clearly bad faith. I say leave it EvergreenFir (talk) 19:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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1. in 3rd line of page which states "The film has courted controversy for falsely claiming that thousands .." remove this world falsely as it make statement quite bias and judgmental rather than being neutral. Singhal.iitr (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You misunderstand Wikipedia policy on neutrality. We cite multiple sources demonstrating that the claim is false. 'Neutrality' does not involve failing to distinguish between reality and falsehood. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

this statement is backed by only 2 sources, and both are newspaper which are not credible one. and more than that the claim of 32000 has been taken down by movie director. So, it won't be a rational idea to put a bias statement like this based on just two newspaper sources. Apart from it, this statement without the word "falsely" itself is self-explanatory that claim of 32000 was controversial. So, using falsely is here completely irrelevant and pro-judgmental. Singhal.iitr (talk) 11:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

To be fair, the sources cited there mentions the pre-release trailer of the film. To say that "film has claimed" is probably a misrepresentation. Mixmon (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

No it isn't "misrepresentation"; the sources explicitly say that the film made the claims, which it did because trailers, marketing and production are all part of a film. Looking at the reviews, it doesn't appear anything is different in the plot of the film either. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 18:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tayi Arajakate which review you are talking about here ? have you yourself watched the film? ,or you are just stating it based on media reviews and YouTube reviews? There is nowhere mention of this number in whole movie. I am not getting why these two newspaper sources are being considered infallible here? Even these newspaper contents are also a personal opinion of writer and that's why newspapers are not even considered as credible evidence in court of law. Singhal.iitr (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Singhal.iitr, It's not based on personal opinions. The director of The Kerala Story movie himself said to The Print in an Interview that "As per a recent investigation, since 2009 – nearly 32,000 girls from Kerala and Mangalore from Hindu and Christian communities have been converted to Islam and most of them end up landing in Syria, Afghanistan, and other ISIS and Haqqani influential areas! Despite accepting these facts, the government is hardly contemplating any definitive action plan against such huge international conspiracies led by ISIS-influenced groups," The AltNews is a reliable source as it provided all the pieces of evidence where the filmmakers have done a false claim. Grabup (talk) 06:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

As per WP, a propaganda film "is made with the intent that the viewer will adopt the position promoted by the propagator and eventually take action towards making those ideas widely accepted."

This film fits this description very perfectly. The propagators has time and again said that the viewers must adopt the position promoted by the film makers and take action.

ChandlerMinh (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I must admit I was a tad bit concerned before I realized I had checked the talk page, not the history page (haha). All in all I would support that classification, provided that we can find sources showing that (and preferably at least one RS calling it propaganda). Googleguy007 (talk) 16:54, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Googleguy007, I think these are the RS: The Wire, India Today, The Print. Grabup (talk) 06:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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Expand plot: In Afghanistan, Fathima Ba lives in a hideout with her husband Ishaq, a Mujahedeen fighter, and a baby son. Ishaq is shown to martial rape Fathima. Deciding to escape, Fathima volunteers to go to Syria, but is captured by UN peacekeeping forces while crossing over Turkey. She recounts her story to the officials.

Fathima was born Shalini Unnikrishnan to a Brahmin family in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram. She joins a nursing college in Kasargod, where her hostel roommates are Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews and Asfiya. Geethanjali is the daughter of an atheist Communist, while Nimah is Catholic and Asfiya is Muslim. They start spending time with Asfiya's cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Over time, Asfiya introduces her friends to concepts of Jahannam and hijab. Nimah, a devout Christian, expresses reservations about Asfiya’s preaching, while her friends are more accepting. With the help of her aides, Asfiya orchestrates an eve teasing attack on the three in a public place and, convincing Shalini and Geethanjali their dressing provoked it, introduce them to wearing a headscarf.

Love blossoms between Shalini and Ramiz and Geethanjali and Khaliq, and the pairs have sex. Shalini gets pregnant and is convinced by Ramiz to convert to Islam and take on the name Fathima Ba. After conversion, she is informed that he died in a mission after volunteering as a Mujahedeen. A local cleric convinces Fathima that her family will not support her pregnancy before marriage and conversion, and that she should marry someone else. Fathima marries Ishaq, someone recommended by the cleric, unaware that he is wanted for several national security crimes.

Meanwhile, Geethanjali starts to think they were manipulated and confronts Khaliq, but he blackmails her with explicit pictures into cooperating with him. Faced with the choice to bear humiliation or marry him, she dies by suicide. Ishaq and Fathima travel to Colombo on pretext of a honeymoon, but in reality, are stopping over for their journey to Afghanistan. While in Colombo, Nimah contacts Fathima and tries to tell her to return, but she refuses, feeling it is too late.

The pregnant Fathima finds Afghanistan to be different from what she was told, and begins to regret her decision. In the present day, she tells the officials that she had defected to the forces on purpose by making them awakes of her location, and asks them to reunite her with her son. The officials tell her that there is no evidence for her story, and she remains in prison. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:8C21:DDFF:3737:80AD (talk) 08:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Fails WP:NPOV. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Where? Describing events in a fictional movie is not POV.2001:8F8:172B:51C3:2922:F6C0:1FCC:83F8 (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you 70.51.245.130 (talk) 04:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: I agree with TrangaBellam. The plot isn't written as per neutrality guidelines. Additionally, there is some confusion while trying to read this, such as time of events and the people involved in certain actions. Callmemirela 🍁 01:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I have edited the above plot now to rewrite the only bits I think could be interpreted as not neutral pov. Please check TrangaBellam and Callmemirela.2A00:F28:FF08:1093:CD52:F947:6C59:EE22 (talk) 13:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

1. Kerela Catholic Bishops comes out in support of of The kerela storyKCBC support 2.Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while addressing a rally in Karnataka's Ballari, also supported the film. “'The Kerala Story' film is based on a terror conspiracy. It shows the ugly truth of terrorism and exposes terrorists' design. Congress is opposing the film made on terrorism and standing with terror tendencies. Congress has shielded terrorism for the vote bank," he said. Prime minister of India supported the movie 3.Uttar Pradesh, Goa and Assam's chief ministers supported the movie by asserting that it is based on true events Chief ministers of UP, Assam and Goa supported the movie 4. Bollywood Comes In Support Of “The Kerala Story”, Questions The Ban. Bolywood celebrities such as Anupam kher, Kanagana Ranaut, Shabana Azmi supported itBolywood supports the movieShabana Azmi criticises people who call for ban for the kerela story

@Tayi Arajakate:, did you intend to revert all these edits? If yes, any reason to preserve the "attempted to" wording and excluding the ban, which has been covered in international media, from the lead? TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 08:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

TryKid, your fix of the misspelled ping won't work, it has to be done a special way. See WP:MENTION. I'm pinging @Tayi Arajakate: for you. Bishonen | tålk 08:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC).

The latter yes but not the former, the "attempted to" is not necessary, just "used" should suffice although "amid" may not be proper since it could give the impression of being coincidental rather than directly related. Regarding the ban in one specific state, it shouldn't recieve disproportionate focus in the lead, it's similar to tax exemptions in two other states which aren't mentioned in the lead either, have similar coverage and are fairly distant from the region where the contention largely exists. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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In the Reception section, and Box Office subsection, the statement "The film performed well in most of India but performed poorly in the states of Kerala, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal", is misleading. The film was banned in West Bengal and exhibitors withdrew in Tamil Nadu due to pressure and threat. This is the reason why it didn't perform in these 2 states. The sentence gives the impression that it didn't perform under normal circumstances.^[1] skmishra 08:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. Good find on the source. Lizthegrey (talk) 01:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lizthegrey (talk) 01:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I've partially undone this. In Tamil Nadu, the film was freely screened initially when it performed poorly, which was part of the reason why it was pulled by theatres. The re-work also clubbed Kerala with them and inaccurately stated that it could not be screened there. But West Bengal shouldn't be mentioned since it was banned there and though it was screened there for a while before the ban, there doesn't seem to be a source for its performance prior to it. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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Please change, ".....only to be abducted from her home and coerced by extremist groups. She was eventually manipulated into joining ISIS and ended up imprisoned in Afghanistan." to, ".....only to be brainwashed into converting to Islam and marrying a Muslim and travelling with him to the Caliphate of ISIS to live according to the sunnah which would help get forgiveness for her sins. She was eventually manipulated into joining the ISIS and ended up imprisoned in Afghanistan when trying to get to Syria via Afghanistan."^[1] in the plot section.- 1Firang (talk) 18:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you trying to get blocked? AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Why? Please let me know what is wrong.-1Firang (talk) 19:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

If it is inappropriate, can I blank this section?-1Firang (talk) 19:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

What is wrong is your relentless attempts to get badly-sourced inflammatory content into Wikipedia. If you are really still incapable of understanding why your proposal is problematic (and grossly inappropriate for an edit request) despite all that has been said, I can only conclude that you lack the competence to edit Wikipedia. And no, you can't blank sections after they have been responded to. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Absolutely not. "brainwashed into converting" is not NPOV. Lizthegrey (talk) 01:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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=Response== Kanewiki01 (talk) 12:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -Lemonaka‎ 08:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

The heading in The kerela story wiki page where it talks about response( response after the film is released). Under that heading it's written, litigation, protest, ban etc. I want to add one more subheading inside it and that is support of the film because it is also a response after film is produced. I have collected the required details from all the verifiable sources and is provided below-

==Support

1. Kerela Catholic Bishops comes out in support of of The kerela storyKCBC support

2.Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while addressing a rally in Karnataka's Ballari, also supported the film. “'The Kerala Story' film is based on a terror conspiracy. It shows the ugly truth of terrorism and exposes terrorists' design. Congress is opposing the film made on terrorism and standing with terror tendencies. Congress has shielded terrorism for the vote bank," he said. Prime minister of India supported the movie

3.Uttar Pradesh, Goa and Assam's chief ministers supported the movie by asserting that it is based on true events Chief ministers of UP, Assam and Goa supported the movie

4. Bollywood Comes In Support Of “The Kerala Story”, Questions The Ban. Bolywood celebrities such as Anupam kher, Kanagana Ranaut, Shabana Azmi supported itBolywood supports the movieShabana Azmi criticises people who call for ban for the kerela story Kanewiki01 (talk) 05:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Did some research and perhaps these are the women that the main character(s) are based off of. Not sure how to add it eloquently. https://www.opindia .com/2023/04/know-nimisha-alias-fathima-on-whom-the-lead-character-in-the-kerala-story-is-based/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/kerala-woman-spots-her-daughter-nimisha-among-is-cadres-who-surrendered-in-afghanistan/articleshow/72268992.cms NayruBlue (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Read WP:RS and WP:OR. We don't base content on our own 'research', and per community consensus (see WP:RSNP) we don't cite OpIndia at all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

My apologies. Thank you for your kind response and helpful links. NayruBlue (talk) 10:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

The characterisation in the movie and actual incidence are not the same. There is no evidence to to say that Nimisha was trapped in to this as shown in the movie. She did it with full conviction. There are videos of her on YouTube where you can see her saying she was happy when their was a khilafa.

ChandlerMinh (talk) 06:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I see. Thank you Chandler. NayruBlue (talk) 10:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

On the Love jihad talk page, I have mentioned some cases (other cases are not) of Love jihad in Kerala here - I don't want to repeat those here. Please add them to this article also if you people deem it fit. I am new here and can't make 500 edits to become eligible to edit this article.-1Firang (talk) 10:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a platform for the propagation of conspiracy theories. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) XK2aXsmasherX (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC) (WP:PA removed by — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC))

I don't think it is a Conspiracy Theory at all. Even the High Court of Kerela was the First One to Use the Term Love Jihad. So Stop Mentioning it a Conspiracy Theory. DevastatorOfficial (talk) 19:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an article about the film "The Kerala Story" not about kerala state. These points has nothing to do with this film. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

This proposal alone shows a blatant attempt at POV-pushing, any halfway-competent (as I believe you are) editor would know that this list is even less proper here than it was when it was initially shotdown, which leaves only an attempt at POV-pushing as to why you would request this. Googleguy007 (talk) 11:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan Zoyenom (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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false information about collection Moh sabik (talk) 08:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Lemonaka‎ 09:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

• "The Kerala Story: Dozens held in Maharashtra after Islamic State film row". BBC News. 2023-05-16. Retrieved 2023-05-19.

• "How a Low-Budget Hindi Film Ignited Deadly Religious Tension". Time. 2023-05-18. Retrieved 2023-05-19.

• "Akola violence: Police look for person behind social media account that triggered clashes". The Indian Express. 2023-05-16. Retrieved 2023-05-19.

TrangaBellam (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: Why don't you add all the above yourself? You may add this also in a neutral way.-1Firang (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

We can start with UK^[1] >>> Extorc.talk 08:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

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1.'Their husbands ' should be changed to 'their respective husbands ' 2. Spelling of 'faired' should be corrected to 'fared' Gyaan Sharma (talk) 19:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done voorts (talk/contributions) 23:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language drama film directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah" to "The Kerala Story movie is based on real incidents. 26 girls came in front of media to counter all the allegations, who were calling it a propaganda. Here is the press conference link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99UZMzkGWU 24.239.134.31 (talk) 07:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide reliable sources to support your changes. Grabup (talk) 08:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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You cannot have a one sided page with in accurate representations made for liberal agenda.

It has to be fairly represented from both side of the coin

Wiki cannot have a biased or polarised opinion

Freedom of speech should be respected 37.131.72.135 (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NOTFREESPEECH. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Someone who watched this film can help us by sharing its plot here, please adhere to Neutral point of view.Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 05:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Tousif.15: In Afghanistan, a woman named Fathima Ba resides in a hideout together with her husband, Ishaq, who is associated with the Mujahedeen, and her newborn son. Fathima experiences instances of marital rape with Ishaq. She makes the decision to escape, volunteering to travel to Syria. However, her plans are disrupted when she is apprehended by UN peacekeeping forces while crossing the border through Turkey. In the custody of these officials, Fathima recounts her personal narrative.

Originally known as Shalini Unnikrishnan, Fathima was born into a Brahmin family in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala. She enrolls in a nursing college in Kasargod, where she becomes acquainted with her roommates Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews, and Asfiya. Geethanjali's father holds atheist Communist beliefs, while Nimah follows the Catholic faith and Asfiya is Muslim. Asfiya introduces her friends to her cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Through her influence, the group is introduced to Islamic customs such as the concept of Jahannam and the practice of wearing a hijab. Nimah expresses some reservations regarding Asfiya's teachings, while Shalini and Geethanjali are more receptive. Asfiya also orchestrates an eve-teasing incident in a public place with the help of her associates, portraying the event as a result of the victims' attire, thus influencing Shalini and Geethanjali to adopt headscarves.

During this period, a romantic relationship develops between Shalini and Ramiz, as well as between Geethanjali and Khaliq, leading to consensual sex. Shalini becomes pregnant, and Ramiz convinces her to convert to Islam, assuming the name Fathima Ba. She later receives news of Ramiz's death during a mission in which he volunteered as a Mujahedeen fighter. Influenced by a local cleric, Fathima is made to believe that her family will not accept her pregnancy before marriage and subsequent conversion. Consequently, she enters into a marriage with a stranger Ishaq, recommended by the cleric, unaware of his involvement in various national security offenses.

Meanwhile, Geethanjali begins to question the extent of influence they have experienced and confronts Khaliq, who responds by blackmailing her with explicit photographs. Presented with the choice of enduring humiliation or marrying him, Geethanjali dies by suicide. Fathima and Ishaq travel to Colombo under the pretense of a honeymoon, although their true intention is to proceed to Afghanistan. During their time in Colombo, Nimah attempts to contact Fathima, urging her to return. However, Fathima refuses, believing it to be too late to change her situation.

Upon arriving in Afghanistan, Fathima realizes that the reality of her surroundings significantly differs from what she had been led to expect. In the present day, Fathima informs the officials that she had intentionally defected by providing them with her location, expressing a desire to be reunited with her son. The officials inform her that there is insufficient evidence to corroborate her account, and she remains incarcerated. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:69AF:FCA7:9428:1D9C (talk) 10:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

{{u|Dawnseeker2000}} could you add this BlackOrchidd (talk) 09:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't ask specific contributors to make edits. Given the controversial topic, we need to discuss content collectively, and arrive at a consensus. Personally, I'm never a fan of Wikipedia's sourced-to-the-movie-itself plot summaries in articles (they are always subjective, and frequently over-detailed), and for a topic like this there are good reasons to question whether we even need a primary-source summary. There is plenty of secondary commentary from people who've seen the movie, and we shouldn't be trying to synthesise a 'consensus version' from it all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there a policy you may cite that barr asking random contributors to edit? BlackOrchidd (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Box office est. ₹260 crore (US$32 million) 169.148.30.143 (talk) 11:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

theres a typo it says wildy inaccurate should be wildly* 72.205.168.63 (talk) 19:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed it now. Thanks for suggesting the edit! Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 19:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Kanewiki01 has now been blocked indefinitely. I think we can consider this attempt to argue against multiple Wikipedia policies closed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
There are several evidence from NIA and 2009 high court judgements. Well, 26 real life witness are shown by the movie director and producer to prove it is a real story. The supreme court has ordered to put disclaimer that it is the fictionalized reperesentation of real life events. Justice Chandrachud also stated if you don't like it then don't watch it. I am giving reference to 26 victims that were taken to isis from kerela [1]https://www.news18.com/movies/the-kerala-story-team-introduces-26-real-victims-vipul-shah-says-people-tried-to-discredit-us-over-32000-7841089.html NDTV has also opined that love jihad is prevalent everywhere and not only in kerela, the earlier editor of ndtv criticised kerela story but now it is praised by ndtv NDTV says it's just not kerela story Wikipedia page mentions only criticism but not support towards the film. Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela storyShabana Azmi in support of The kerela storyKangana Ranaut supports The kerela storyAnupam kher defends the kerela story Wikipedia page only shows the negative side and ignores the support by everyone, many actors and actresses have supported it. Supreme court also says the disclaimer should be that it is fictionalized version in movie of the events happened, it has not said that film is fiction. where is the evidence that is fiction? who said that? Only the leftist and some unreliable data which has nothing to do with real evidence. I hope my references will be added and the support for the movie will be shown on wiki page and also the change will be made that film represents fictionalized version of the events happened , it is not fiction, it has not authentic evidence to backup 32000 girls claim but can claim thousands. The supreme court judgement should be interpreted in the same manner as it said, and it doesn't say that is fiction. Kanewiki01 (talk) 09:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC) The source there for the 26 people paraded on stage says "alleged", so it's just more rumour. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I'm providing another sources which does not use the word alleged for these 26 victims. and also why there is no mention of support for the kerela story? it only mentions criticism. NDTV has published recently which talks about kerela story and you are ignoring it. https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/the-kerala-story-row-26-survivors-of-radicalisation-take-stage-reveal-chilling-reality-articleshow.html Kanewiki01 (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Now you are citing a deprecated source known for fake news. See WP:REPUBLICTV. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, Here are the reliable sources which says that the movie is fictional. The Independent, BBC, and The Time magazine. Grabup (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC) These are not the sources which proves the kerela story is unreal. these are opinions by critics.It cannot be taken into account because of the biasness of the editor publishing that. NDTV has previously opined that kerela story is false and gave it 1 star but now another editor of NDTV is in support for kerela story. The main fact which can be taken into account is of the supreme court. Supreme court has not ordered the directors to put disclaimers that is fictional but it stated to put disclaimer of fictional representation of events. 3 women named fatima, mathhews and geetanjali were taken to isis and they have joined it. There is even a whole interview of Fatima about it, she is in afghanistan jail and her intreview is available in public domain. Kanewiki01 (talk) 17:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Those articles are articles (not opinion pieces) from three highly reliable sources. So far you have only provided one deprecated source. Googleguy007 (talk) 19:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC) And also Why there is no mention of support of the kerela story in wiki page when most of the people are supporting it except oppositions and political parties. There is no mention of bolywood and every celebrity supporting it and there has been even rallies adn mass gatherings evrywhere to support it. Please this biasness needs to be stopped, care about the women have gone through this and you are bias towards showing that it never happened. atleast mention the supports, and why to ignore supreme court's decision of not qualifying it a fictional movie but it qualifies it as fictional representation of real life events.It is the highest court in India and decisions are based on evidence not on critics and opinions. Therefore please mention that film is a fictional representaion of real life events in the wikipedia page. Believing editors of news channel can differ and is high inappropriate because of their own biasness and political agendas. Kindly look into it please. Kanewiki01 (talk) 17:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC) This is an article about a movie. It is not an article about real life events. And Wikipedia does not base content on how a random contributor interprets Indian Supreme court rulings. Or on the rulings themselves for that matter. The supreme court has no authority here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC) But movie reflects real life events and the article says it's fictional and it is fictional is based on refrences of opinions of particular editors. It's ignoring NDTV's latest opinion and also it has no mention how much support it has received all over india. I have already put all the references of support. It's not my interpretation, a random people with some rational understanding can read the judgement. Supreme court also removed the ban but even if supreme court's judgement is not reliable then why is the references of latest NDTV's article is not reliable? The board of indian censorship of films has also approved it based on evidence but this wikipedia page is ignoring all the facts and relies on total biasness and erroneous opinions of crtics. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC) See WP:NOTFORUM. Your personal opinions regarding 'bias' do not overrule Wikipedia policy, your personal interpretation of the supreme court ruling is utterly irrelevant, and you have made no policy-based arguments here. And we don't exclude sources because they are written by 'critics'. That would be utterly absurd. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Why is wikipedia page ignoring the articles that states that it is real like NDTV? Why is it ignoring the support towards The kerela story movie but it mentions criticism? Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I am also citing references that states that directors have no authentic data to prove the number 32000 but there is enough evidence to prove that the story of 3 women as depicted in movie is totally real. One more important fact that movie does not mention 32000 figure, it only shows 3 girl's story representing thousand. I hope this reference will be considered reliable now. [2]https://time.com/6280955/kerala-story-movie-india/ [3]https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/the-kerala-story-row-26-survivors-of-radicalisation-take-stage-reveal-chilling-reality-articleshow.html [4]https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/the-kerala-story-not-just-keralas-story-4057258 Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I am citing all the references but still you presume that it is my opinion. Sir it is a serious matter so please check to the references I have mentioned, it's totally inappropriate to not even check it sir. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, The NDTV source which you have provided is an opinion of that particular author and it will be not considered as fully reliable as mentioned at WP:GREL  a specific subcategory of the source is less reliable (such as opinion pieces in a newspaper), the source is making an exceptional claim, or a different standard of sourcing is required (WP:MEDRS, WP:BLP) for the statement in question. The Republic World is a unreliable source as per WP:REPUBLICTV. You can use the Time Magazine which mentioned The Kerala Story a fictional movie. Grabup (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I am talking about The Kerela story and you are talking about the kashmir files.Is this ignorance? why are you not reading The times article, it states about the data which is proved, it mentions clearly about 200 girls and 4 girls and what about the references which describes about the support. It is mentioned about criticism and protest against it but not support for the film. Why is it so? Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, Actually I can’t find any “200” or “Two Hundred” mentions on the Time Magazine. Please write it here. Grabup (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC) According to the U.S. State Department, “66 known Indian-origin fighters” were affiliated with the IS as of November 2020, while India’s National Investigation Agency said in September 2021 that it had arrested 168 people connected to 37 cases “of terror attacks, conspiracy, and funding” inspired by the IS. Indian officials have also stated that four women from Kerala who had joined the IS were in jail in Afghanistan. [5]https://time.com/6280955/kerala-story-movie-india/ One important point is, the film does not mention the figure of 32000 women, it is a true story of 3 women reflecting thousands, this is what the real film shows. So please take this reference as consideration sir. And also check the points I mentioned about the support for kerela story,please also review it, since the criticism and protest is mentioned under the response heading in wikipedia page, so the support for the film should also be mentioned under response heading. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, The film doesn’t mentions the “32000” number because they got criticised by everyone. They initially mentioned this number to the trailer teaser of the movie and the director him self claimed this number as per The Quint. Grabup (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC) We are discussing about the movie not the teaser and there is no mention of any figure inside film. I have already mentioned many sources and references that 4 women who are shown in the movie are real and the most reliable reference even was given by you so ofcourse a big thanks to you and also mention about the support of the kerela movie under the response heading as I have also provided all reliable references that states that they are in support of it. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, I think you agreed now that the director falsely claimed the “32000” number right? Grabup (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC) No the directors have recently stated that have the evidence but it cannot be proved under the court of law and the films only reflects the true story of 4 women so we should take that number into account if it is true or not and according to the references and authentic sources those 4 women are still in afghanistan's jail though one has commited suicide and even the interview is available in public domain. The time has also mentioned about many women joining ISIS from kerela so it is just based on that. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, These things are already mentioned on the article. Here Grabup (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC) No sir the main issue is that the wikipedia article in it's introductory sentence states that it's a fictional movie so the word fictional movie should be removed or it could be added that fictional representation of real life events as stated by supreme court. One more thing sir, please add NDTV's latest response under critics reception and also add support for the movie under the response heading. i am not biased to support the movie but the article is just stating the negative sides like only protest but not mentioning about support. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, See Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. 3 major reliable sources mentioned this movie as a fictional movie. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Can you provide me a source where a reliable source not the Supreme Court clearly says that the movie is “ representation of real life events”? Grabup (talk) 19:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Time does not mention it as fictional story rather it defines the number of girl that were taken to ISIS so it proves that is not fictional. https://time.com/6280955/kerala-story-movie-india/ Timesofindia also uses the words such as movie inspired by real events. [6]https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/the-kerala-story-whats-the-real-story-behind-this-brouhaha-etimes-explainer/articleshow/100160689.cms?from=mdr Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, The Time Magazine clearly mentioned this movie as fictional as it says The low-budget Hindi film directed by Sudipto Sen, which was released in cinemas last Friday, tells the “fictional story” of three women from the southern state of Kerala who are lured into joining the Islamic State (IS) group after being converted to Islam. And the meaning of “Representation of real life events” and “inspired by” is totally deferent. Grabup (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC) But the time also mentions the number of the victims so it reflects time also suggests fictional story of real events because if it didn't want to it would not show that the 4 women were taken to isis. Yes,I agree so you can add inspired by true events. It is better than fictional events which make the whole movie wrong even though it rotates around only 4 characters Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC) The Time mentions it because it is the story of the movie. The Time Magazine says that the film shows us a fictional story of Three women. The Time Magazine haven’t mentioned that its based on true story or something. Please understand The Time Magazine mentioned it because it is the plot of the movie it never suggested that the movie is real life based. And I don’t know from where you are getting the number four? Grabup (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Some more evidence to prove it's real. The evidence is presented to supreme court under this, you can read the evidences under the following that it is happening in Kerela. [7]https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2017/19702/19702_2017_Judgement_08-Mar-2018.pdf [8]https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/ The evidence in these matters are accpeted thus they are more reliable. I am also citing reference for all the NIA chargesheets for this matter. https://nia.gov.in/writereaddata/Portal/CasesPdfDoc/CS_27-01-2017_-RC-02-2016-KOC-1.pdf https://www.nia.gov.in/writereaddata/Portal/CasesPdfDoc/CS_RC-14_2015_NIA_DLI-1.pdf Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, The Times of India is generally reliable and sometimes not generally reliable as per WP:TOI mentions The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It tends to have a bias in favor of the Indian government. The publication is also known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. Grabup (talk) 20:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC) but the time is mentioning the numbers and even data, it cannot be ignored sir. Also how would we know if TOI is not reliable this time? I have also mentioned all the suits inside which valid evidence which were accepted are provided Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, The source from Times of India that you provided is an Etime Explainer article not a normal news article. To confirm the reliability you have to provide more reliable sources which mentions this movie as inspired by real life events. Grabup (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I have mentioned NIA Chragesheets and 2 suits which reflects that it has happened with many girls from the kerela. Please look into it sir Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Sir we can also not ignore the data provide by times and bbc so it also proves it real, just the mere use of fictional story in an article cannot reflect if it is fiction. The articles by bbc and times also published the data of 168 girls and so on which is difficult to reject.Also NDTV's latest opinion should be added under critics reception and support by bolywood celebrities and audience should also be added under the response heading. I have stated reference for support and if wiki mentions criticsm so it also needs to mention the support for it to not sound bias against a particular movie. Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC) BBC also mentions the same number and date provided by the times so it is clear that is inspired by true events and film reflects only the story of 4 girls so it cannot be repudiated if we look into the data. [9]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65481927 Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC) @Kanewiki01, The fictional line will be not removed as sources clearly mentions it. The NDTV opinion will be not added because it is an opinion not a movie review which is already there on the article. The inspired by real life events will be not added because there are no secondary reliable sources which clearly mentions this movie to be inspired by real events. But you are right that the support should be added. You can create another thread and write what you think should be added about the support from bollywood with reliable sources. An editor will review it and if everything is good then it will be added under the response heading. Grabup (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC) yes thanks a lot sir I will make a different thread for it but sir i looked into an article in wikipedia it says that the judgement of courts are reliable source under wikipedia so Supreme court's judgement is highly authoritative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(law) Kanewiki01 (talk) 21:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Sir also one more doubt, that all the reliable sources are mentioning about the real data so it proves that it has happened but on the other hand they have merely used word fictional story so I think it's two sided when we have the data of girls then how could it be false? Thus Supreme court's judgement is most accurate that is fictionalized story of real life events. Because the data and numbers are provided in websites. Can we not mention the data and numbers of the girls from Kerela who were taken to ISIS because? Kanewiki01 (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC) That's an essay, not a policy, and it says nothing about Wikipedia being able to use a judgment in a court of law as a reliable source. Not a word. And of course we can't do that — it would fly in the face of common sense. Kanewiki01, you are seriously beginning to waste people's time here, and I'm beginning to consider blocking you from this page. Please don't offer Wikipedia pages, such as Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (law), here without first having made an honest effort to read and understand them. Bishonen | tålk 21:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC). yes it was my mistake I didn't read about supreme court's judgement reliablity on wikipedia but the other points that I have mentioned are valid like data of girls taken to ISIS and the support towards the Kerela story. Kanewiki01 (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC) Sir please respond me last time, why is my references not apporpriate and if you don't find them appropriate. I will wait for other administrators to look into the references so it's a request to not collapse it please. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC) You have already been warned for disruptive editing. You have been notified on your talk page regarding the 'contentious topics' rules applicable here. I suggest you drop this blatant attempt to impose your own partisan views on the article before you are sanctioned for doing so. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC) No problem sir. I will wait for another administrator to review my references and the points I mentioned. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I am not an administrator. Administrators have no special authority when it comes to content disputes. They do whoever have authority to impose sanctions on those who abuse article talk pages in order to promote partisan views. For which you have provided ample evidence above. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Administrators can atleast edit these pages and I have not mentioned any of my views. I am just stating the points that are mentioned in the references. Well, I hope someone would review it soon and edit the page without any biases. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC) I seem to remember you saying something about “only leftists denying the movie”. Wikipedia editors have this magical ability called “inference” it lets us look at what someone is saying and come to a pretty solid understanding of their opinions. Googleguy007 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC) It's because the references and points I am mentioning are being ignored but all the flaws of the movies are clearly reflected on wikipedia page. Sorry but I don't believe in magic rather I beleieve in facts without biases Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Your own biases are rather obvious. [10] AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Pretty clear who is bias, just read wikipedia's page and you will get the idea regarding that and how you are ignoring my points like support under response heading and data of 168 girls to ISIS Kanewiki01 (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC) You do realize how many people there are in India right? You are talking about 0.00000012% of the population. It's a statistical anomaly, one way or another. More people joined Islamic State from the UK, a country with only 80 million people. As one researcher put it: "In fact, this number is so small that most academics and experts often ask the question ‘What had prevented Indian Muslims from joining the Islamic State?'" [11] Iskandar323 (talk) 09:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia page mentions only criticism and protest under the response heading but not support towards the film. So I'm listing some references below- Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela storyShabana Azmi in support of The kerela storyKangana Ranaut supports The kerela storyAnupam kher defends the kerela story [12]https://www.cnbctv18.com/entertainment/work-of-art-kerala-catholic-bishops-council-comes-out-in-support-of-the-kerala-story-16618241.htm [13]https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/kangana-ranaut-calls-ban-on-the-kerala-story-unconstitutional-8625305/#:~:text=Actor%20Kangana%20Ranaut%20on%20Tuesday,amounts%20to%20insulting%20the%20constitution. [14]https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/to-ban-is-just-wrong-anurag-kashyap-tweets-amid-controversy-around-the-kerala-story-4021904 Kanewiki01 (talk) 09:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

article mentions quarter of hundred people joined isis from kerala. Here chief minister of kerala says 100 malayali has joined isis https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/mobile/news.php?id=646343&u=100-malayalis-joined-isis-all-except-six-born-into-muslim-community-says-cm-vijayan-646343 Add this to introduction section 117.196.48.141 (talk) 09:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

It says that almost all were already Muslim / 72 went overseas for professional purposes before later joining Isis (so did not join from India) - none of which bears any relation to the crap being spouted in connection with this stupid film - but most importantly, the minister states: None of these figures validate the propaganda that girls are being lured into conversion and terrorist organizations. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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This is not fictionalized movie there is testimonials in the end of the movie 223.233.77.243 (talk) 20:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan. Please add this under "external links" on the bottom of the Wikipedia page. 120.150.118.212 (talk) 11:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide reliable sources to support your changes. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

refer to the "plot" 120.150.118.212 (talk) 11:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Recently, Supreme Court of India said to the director of the movie to put a disclaimer in the movie stating that 1. There is no authentic data to back up the suggestion that the figure of conversion is 32000 or any other figure; 2. The film represents a fictionalised version,". I think we should change the starting of the article from "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)" to "The plot follows a fictionalised version of the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)".

Here are the sources where Supreme court said this. 1234 Grabup (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Tayi Arajakate, @Kautilya3, @Tousif.15. Please share your thoughts on this. Grabup (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam, can you please explain why you removed the fictional line from the article? Grabup (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This edit. Grabup (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Drama films are always fictional? TrangaBellam (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Black Kite, Can you please share your opinion on this? I found that you reverted someone’s edit who removed the same thing from The Kashmir Files film. Grabup (talk) 23:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The lede describes the film as a 'drama'. It tells us about 'the plot'. I'd say that was quite sufficient to make it clear that it isn't a documentary. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Not an ordinary film, teaser and trailer claiming them to be based on real life incident of 3 girls, and now if disclaimer claims it to be fictional, we should also add it. Same case like TKF. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 04:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tousif.15, Agree. Even the PM of India mentioned this movie in his Karnataka election campaign. Grabup (talk) 05:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

What is perhaps missing as context here is the framing that the film had masqueraded as something else, so maybe what the lead needs to say is: The film originally presented itself as following real events, but this was challenged in court, resulting in the film makers being compelled to inform viewers that the work is fictionalised. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Iskandar's approach speaks to the issue. But the particular choice of words does not impress me. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

the short version is: The film claimed to present real events, but was legally required to be disclaimed as fictionalised. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Iskandar323, @TrangaBellam, If we can’t add this line which @TrangaBellam, removed then please go to The Kashmir Files page and remove the same thing which mentions that film as a fictional film. Grabup (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I have provided 3 reliable sources which includes BBC mentioning The Kerala Story as a fictional film. Grabup (talk) 08:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The movie has some elements of truth as in few (less than 5) women going from Kerala to Syria to join ISIS. It has exaggerated that number. So it is a drama very loosely inspired by real life incidence with a lot of misrepresentation done by film makers in their trailers. It should be called a "drama loosely inspired by a real life incidence" and clarified as "exaggerated to the point of being a propaganda movie". 2604:3D08:1285:F00:8DE5:8E78:EE05:A277 (talk) 12:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources. Grabup (talk) 16:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Watch this documentary - Khorasan Files: The Journey Of Indian ‘Islamic State’ Widows. Aniruddh 16:43, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@Aniruddh88, Please provide Reliable news articles. Wikipedia can’t rely on documentaries only. If your words are right and if the documentary really confirms it then surely there will be some news articles from reliable sources. Grabup (talk) 19:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

A mere search of the documentary title reveals the links of News Articles including name of those 4 women - Nimisha alias Fathima Isa, Merin alias Mirriam, Sonia Sebastian alias Ayisha and Rafaella, they were interviewed in documentary.

https://theprint.in/india/not-just-a-kerala-story-at-least-28-indian-women-joined-is-in-10-yrs-most-met-death-or-prison/1578133/

https://stratnewsglobal.com/featured-videos/khorasan-files-the-journey-of-indian-islamic-state-widows/ Aniruddh 04:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

From MOS:FILMGENRE - Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources. Could we please stick to that, supported by inline citations, and perhaps not microscope and rely on what the courts and the politicians say? — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer, The Independent mentioned this film a “fictional drama” movie. Is it not a RS?. Grabup (talk) 10:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer, Same, The Time magazine mentioned “ The low-budget Hindi film directed by Sudipto Sen, which was released in cinemas last Friday, tells the fictional story of three women from the southern state of Kerala who are lured into joining the Islamic State (IS) group after being converted to Islam.”

And The BBC also mentioned “ The Kerala Story, which released in theatres on last week, had sparked controversy months before its release. The film depicts a fictional story of three Indian women from the southern state who join the Islamic State group.” Grabup (talk) 10:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I hope these citations are enough? Grabup (talk) 10:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia article on Drama states: "In film and television, drama is a category or genre of narrative fiction (or semi-fiction) intended to be more serious than humorous in tone." The categorization of this particular film in the genre 'drama' is quite suitable and appropriate. Rim sim (talk) 04:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rim sim, Okay then go and change the same thing to The Kashmir Files article. Remove the Fictional line. Grabup (talk) 08:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer, waiting for your reply. You wanted reliable sources I provided it. Grabup (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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103.206.172.226 (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

The movie is real story based.

No it isn't. Bishonen | tålk 20:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC).

It is loosely based on real story of 4 women from Kerala – Nimisha alias Fathima Isa, Merin alias Mirriam, Sonia Sebastian alias Ayisha and Rafaella, they were interviewed in documentary Khorasan Files: The Journey Of Indian ‘Islamic State’ Widows. Aniruddh 16:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

the kerala movie 117.228.62.133 (talk) 09:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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The Box Office collection mentioned in the source is 213.57 crores. THis however is changed to 266 cr on this page Wikiedit01995 ^talk 08:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

That's Indian Net collection, worldwide gross is 266 cr. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 08:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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Change

Marketed as a true story, the film is premised on the Hindutva conspiracy theory of "love jihad",^[1]

to

Marketed as inspired by true story, the film is premised on the events of Islamic State recruitment in India^[2]

Raheja88 (talk) 19:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

This article, like any other on Wikipedia, is based on published reliable sources. We do not present conspiracy theories as factual. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

The article show the judgement of High court, who says that the movie is not against any religion but against isis. All this Love jihad and Hindutva are propagandas.

I request you to change the things which are not related to the movie at all and state the facts Raheja88 (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

The facts are that we are describing a movie. And doing so based on reliable sources that describe the 'love jihad' as a conspiracy theory. As for Indian High Courts, they would have no jurisdiction over Wikipedia, even if they tried to tell us how to write the article. Which they haven't. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

that is alright to mark Love Jihad as a conspiracy theory, all I am saying is that this film do not show anything related to Love Jihad.

This movie show how ISIS made recruitments and that is the whole point I am making.

The source I shared is to show that the High court watched the movie and clearly said it is not against any religion but against the terror organization .

Cheers Raheja88 (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Again, Indian courts do not determine Wikipedia article content. And your personal interpretation of their ruling is clear and unambiguous synthesis, since the source you cite above says absolutely nothing about a 'love jihad'. Your personal nit-picking about whether a conspiracy theory describing something as a 'jihad' relates to religion, terrorism, or both is of absolutely no relevance here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

well, cant argue with a fool anymore.

Have a nice life. Raheja88 (talk) 10:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

just see the interviews of girls on yt you will came to know the reality.may be the number is exaggerated but it doesn't mean they are not doing this. also if this is consiparcy then why muslim population had increased in india and hindu population had decreased. 114.69.246.90 (talk) 20:39, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

That's nice. I have blocked Raheja88 from this page. Bishonen | tålk 12:54, 3 June 2023 (UTC).

Any? TrangaBellam (talk) 05:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I suppose the question is whether any foreign critics would lower themselves to review this tripe. Since it's the stuff of propagandistic outrage, not a credible installation in the evolution of cinematography, what's there to say, other than it's a disgrace? Iskandar323 (talk) 10:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. The film might possibly be the subject of analysis by social scientists and/or historians at some point, but until then, external commentary of any depth is unlikely to be forthcoming. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, I agree with both of you; I was hoping for something like this at best. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't able to find any — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 18:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

1Firang has now been topic-banned, making this moot. Their last post appears to be canvassing, but given the OTHERSTUFF nature of the argument, clearly wasn't going anywhere anyway.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
AndyTheGrump, you just reverted my edit with this. So, shall I replace "death threats" with "threatening messages"?-1Firang (talk) 16:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC) I want to make that sentence, "A crew member and the producer of the film have received threatening messages due to the film's controversy.-1Firang (talk) 16:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC) Find better sources. The source you cite is citing another in turn. Find that. And look for further sources. Third-hand reports of threats make poor content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC) @AndyTheGrump: What's wrong with this edit?-1Firang (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC) It misrepresents the source (which incidentally was worse than the previous one). If you really can't figure out why, I suggest you find something else to do, rather than wasting everyone's time here. I'm under no obligation to go through yet another of your facile time-wasting exercises where you utterly fail to get the point, and go straight back to the same behaviour with your next effort at POV-pushing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC) I added, "A crew member has received a threatening message due to the film's controversy and has been provided security." The source says, "Controversy over 'The Kerala Story' .....told police that one of the crew members have received a threatening message .....the police have provided security to the crew member". So how is it misrepresenting the source (to the other editors and readers: AndyTheGrump is my long time stalker, checking my edits and even reverting them)?-1Firang (talk) 18:19, 16 June 2023 (UTC) Reporting a claim (by the obviously involved film producer) as fact. A claim that seems not to even have been properly reported to the police. All over single alleged 'threatening message' with a section header suggesting that there were more 'messages'. As for 'stalking', feel free to take that to ANI, Where we can discuss your incompetent editing and relentless POV-pushing further. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2023 (UTC) @AndyTheGrump: Then shall I edit it to say, "A crew member has received a threatening message and has been provided police security according to the Director of the film."?-1Firang (talk) 18:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC) Only if you want your facile trivia reverted. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC) Why do you call it trivia? Is it not notable?-1Firang (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2023 (UTC) 'Indian Tabloid press reports that someone says that someone else received some sort of threat, no police complaint filed'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:01, 16 June 2023 (UTC) @Ayesha Akbar Choudhary, Morekar, Dare2Leap, Googleguy007, Krimuk2.0, MNWiki845, SandeepKumarMeena, Gotitbro, TrangaBellam, Grabup, Joshua Jonathan, Indopug, Tayi Arajakate, Tousif.15, Iskandar323, Rim sim, Arjayay, ChandlerMinh, DaxServer, BadhonCR, Vortex3427, RajveerSingh1950, Kautilya3, Pinakpani, 77Survivor, Sush150, Zeeyanwiki, Anshuchoudhary28, and Georgethedragonslayer: Should we include the above threat in this article (since we have a sentence, "Following the release of the film, Agnihotri was provided with a Y-category security detail from the Central Reserve Police Force by the Ministry of Home Affairs, based on what an official described as inputs of perceived threat to the director's safety" in the, "Government and ruling party support" section of the article on The Kashmir Files)?-1Firang (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2023 (UTC) I hope for your sake you've got a darned good explanation as to why you chose those specific names, given the number of times you've been warned about canvassing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:57, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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Marketed as a hindutva conspiracy is a false accusation. There are no such evident proof of the same. Instead it should be incorrect statistically. As there are proven cases by Kerala high court on the same but with a reduced number. 49.205.38.6 (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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The film was directed by Sudipto Sen ,an Indian film director,^[1][2] who previously directed various films and short films such as Divya Dutta starring Lucknow Times^[3], The Last Monk.^[4] iVickyChoudhary (talk) 07:49, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The content belongs in the director's article, not here as it is not relevant — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

It can be added, just like producer's details are alrady there. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 07:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I was the AfC reviewer who recommended a merge here. The director's article is not notable on its own. I don't think it hurts to include a little bit of background information on people who created this film. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. It is tangential information and not really WP:DUE. This article is about the film, not about the director. If there's a relevance to those past works to this movie, then discussing that relation is warranted. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 18:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Then why this page has producer's description and the rerception section? iVickyChoudhary (talk) 04:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

There is not really a description of the producer, just a note that he also served as creative director. The reception section is about the film. —C.Fred (talk) 11:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

It's due - there is plenty of sources that discuss this director in relation to this film. But there are not enough information to justify an entire article. See Draft:Sudipto Sen Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:36, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Added 20 around reliable sources in that article with mentions of many of his films, life, previous and upcoming work, what else needed? Kindly guide me on this iVickyChoudhary (talk) 09:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)