Talk:R. Carlos Nakai

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A fact from R. Carlos Nakai appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 January 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that after a car accident left him unable to play brass instruments, Native American musician R. Carlos Nakai began playing a traditional cedar flute, and went on to receive eleven Grammy nominations? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/R. Carlos Nakai.

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Because of the lack of information here, I was not able to infer which type of Native American Nakai is. In an effort to clean up the Native Americans page, I have changed that link to the broadest catagory, Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Someone with more knowledge of Nakai can specify the best link, if necessary.D-Rock 20:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am restoring the link to the free "Echoes" interview page. This is an important reliable third party resource by one of the leading ambient music radio shows on US public radio, and it provides insights on the subject of this article that are, to my knowledge, not available anywhere else. --Gene_poole 21:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When the host of the show, Jdiliberto, mass adds links, it is WP:SPAM and WP:COI) IrishGuy ^talk 21:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding them, and I'm not the host. If you can find an alternative series of interviews from an alternative free, reliable third party source, then please add them. --Gene_poole 21:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, you reverted my removal and called it vandalism. Removing spam isn't vandalism. IrishGuy ^talk 21:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(to Irish Guy) Not necessarily. WP:BITE and WP:AGF are also important guidelines, perhaps even more important than either WP:SPAM or WP:COI. Are the links relevant for the articles? If the links were added by any other user, would there be a problem? And besides, five links hardly constitute "mass" adding links. Each of the links was to different content that was pertinent to article. older ≠ wiser 21:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 14:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one. A fine article on a splendid musician; I don't think I'll have more than the most minor of comments to make.

• "a number of" is used 5 times. Sometimes here it means "Some of"; other times ("a number of collaborations") it means nothing at all.

  Fixed, added detail in one place.

• On his notation (Nakai tablature), "learn a different finger position for every note" is a bit surprising: don't musicians always have to do that? Some flutes can be overblown, i.e. blow harder and get a second note: but I doubt you mean anything to do with that here. Perhaps it needs explaining differently.

  I suspect it's extra verbiage that crept into the source that I simply reproduced. Removed.

• The only album instrument mentioned is flute, but he also plays things like the bone whistle, and (searches...) there's even a mention of him at Eagle-bone whistle! Definitely deserves a mention, citation, and Wikilink! It seems he ran a workshop for the Western National Parks to make replicas of such whistles, too.

  Added.

• "five Native American flute players": why is "R. Carlos Nakai" spelt out in full here?

  No reason. Fixed.

• Northern Arizona University: he was an alumnus without a degree, and then (scroll down...!) they gave him an honorary one later? Remarkable and perhaps worth spelling out in full, a singular honor. Actually how was he drafted in the middle of a degree? I'd imagined they waited for you to finish.

  He wasn't an alumnus without a degree though...he returned to finish his Bachelor's. The trouble with the draft thing is that sources are confused about it; I really dug deep, and couldn't find more detail...it's possible he volunteered to pre-empt a draft, but if so, the sources don't say.

• Grammy Award: wikilink in lead.

  Added.

• Cedar flute, Nakai tablature ... would both make useful and attractive images if such can be found. There is this on Commons, I suppose we could in desperation use a cropped detail but it ought to be possible to photograph one ...

  Hmmm...I'm not the biggest fan of that photo; it's terrible resolution. At the moment, photographing a cedar flute isn't an option for me; I'll keep an eye out, though.

• Wow that's quite a Discography, no idea there were so many albums. Perhaps we could have a little bit of review of Changes in particular, or of his work more generally? Not sure if you feel that Echoes is a suitable source, it looks all right to me and it covers five of his albums.

  I'm not too sure of Echoes as a source for analysis; it's probably okay for factual information. I'll take a look to see what I can find, though a lot of information about the discography is already in career or legacy (it's placed in career because for reasons unknown, most biographies of his stop discussing his personal life after his musical career took off). Also I'm none too happy about putting comments about individual albums in the discography section unless sources are doing the highlighting; so I've added reviewers comments about the Gold albums in the recognition section. Will that do?

Yes, that's fine.

• (Why is Dancing into Silence redlinked, are you writing that article?)

  Not immediately; but it meets NALBUM#4 (has won a Grammy), so it seems like a reasonable redlink to have, per WP:REDLINK. I generally prefer to link clearly notable subjects that lack articles.

• Which 2 albums reached Gold? The paragraph half-implies it's the two discussed...

  Added.

• Publications - needs publisher, and an ISBN or OCLC wd be nice.

  Done.

That's about it from me. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, happy to pass this now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure how much information to include on his Grammy nominations (the book that said Nakai had won a Grammy was wrong; that particular album was a nominee but not a winner in 2010). It appears that both Eaton and Clipman were also nominees on some of the albums (but not always the same ones); Eaton shared in four and Clipman in four (with some overlap), but since I'm just discovering this by searching their names on the Grammy site, I can't be sure I have all the nominees. Also, I'm not sure that level of detail is appropriate, even if the full list of nominated artists for each album was available. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the details of which albums were nominated is necessary; the total number is the detail worth including. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]