Talk:Primitive communism/GA1

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Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 20:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm taking the whole package, I think! Comments follow soon. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. You give first names for Marx and Engels but not for Morgan … should be consistent
2. which was structure like the – structured?
3. phase which was structure like the populations ancient Germany – but you don't mention how they were structured, this should be specified.
4. With the San people of southern Africa being a basis for Kropotkin's anthropological work on anarchism and gift economies in mutual aid. – doesn't read like an actual sentence.
5. Non-Marxist scholars of prehistory and early history, did not take the term seriously, – comma too much
6. have looked at the applying the term of primitive – something wrong here.
7. Regarding the content: I'm surprised that the aspect of scale is not discussed. Communism, as generally understood, is something of larger scale. I think you could argue that there is some form of communism found to be within modern western families, and the same might be true for some "primitive" groups were everybody knows each other within the group. But isn't this a very important difference to large-scale communism that works for a whole country?
8. There are various "citation needed" tags; these need to be resolved.
9. Article needs a copy edit for language, especially concerning use of commas. It currently does not reach the "well written" GA criterion. Could you go through the article watching out for these issues?

• Article still needs some work to reach GA. Please ping me once the above are addressed, and I will do a second go-through. Thanks, --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jens Lallensack: Correspondingly:

1. Changed to match
2. Corrected
3. Specified
4. Corrected
5. Corrected
6. Corrected
7. In criticism added a couple of sentences with citations that support the question of scale, I will try to find more/better citations for it over the next couple of days.
8. Added citations
9. Started to correct, will take a while to go through all, and I am not the best with grammar so my attempts may still fall short. But we will see when you reassess once I've gone through it all.

Thank you for taking the time to review --Cdjp1 (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understood; please ping me when I should take a second look. One more point regarding language, a sentence you just added: Particularly in relation to the difference in scale from small communal groups to the size of modern nation-states. – This is not a complete sentence because a subjective is missing. In this case, you could solve it by combining with the preceding sentence (using a comma). --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jens Lallensack:, some copyediting has been done to try to correct grammatical and structural errors. It has also been submitted to to the CopyEditor Guild for a better and more comprehensive C/E review. --Cdjp1 (talk) 11:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Engels needs to be introduced in main text.
• what was produced was quickly consumed and this was because there existed no division of labour, hence people were forced to work together – three aspects mentioned here, but I have no idea how they are supposed to be related. I don't follow.
• (the means of production (tools and land), housing) – best avoid the gloss (and especially the double-gloss) by going with something like "such as"
• matrilocal residence and matrilineal descent – link terms?
• was seen as the turning point – why past tense? The lead says "Primitive communism is a way of". And who did see this?
• The characteristics section describes primitive communism but does not make clear who's point of view this is. Does this need to be attributed?
• Egalitarian and communist-like hunter-gatherer societies – is it consensus that they were "communist-like"?
• Lee criticizes the mainstream and dominant culture's long-time bias against the idea of primitive communism, – that seems to go against WP:NPOV
• resistance to primate-style sexual and political dominance – I'm inclined to question this; how is this supported?
• Anthropologists such as Christopher Boehm,[62] Chris Knight[63] and Lewis[64] offer theoretical accounts to explain how communistic – At least the first author doesn't seem to describe these communities as "communistic".
• evolutionary change – what do you mean by that? I doubt it has to do with evolution.
• who has said that – remove "has"?
• Testart does support – Testart is already deceased.
• Marx and Engels, however, did not argue communism brought about equality as according to them equality was a concept without connection in physical reality – I can't follow this one, can this be better explained? Do they argue that equality cannot exist?
• Arnold Petersen has used the existence of primitive communism – But does it exist? There does not seem to be a consensus?

Note: I think that the article still has multiple issues. I questioned various things above (I'm certainly not correct with everything). But I find this review difficult. I can say that the article is not on GA level just yet, but I'm not sure if I have the ability/knowledge to guide you there, or to fully assess this topic. More eyes would really help here, bringing this article into shape is not something a single reviewer can do. What about closing this now and moving over to WP:Peer Review, just to get more varied input which will certainly help? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jens Lallensack, Cdjp1, where does this review stand? There was some reference formatting work a little over a week ago, but otherwise there doesn't seem to have been anything since the most recent posts here. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BlueMoonset, It hasn't been picked up by Guild of Copy Editors yet, so best to fail for now and I will resubmit once GCE have looked through it. --Cdjp1 (talk) 09:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will close now, then, I feel that the article is still quite a distance from GA, and we may not be able to close that distance during a GAN. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]