Talk:Judy and Mary

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I must note something very important for future editors of this page (also try to observe this for any non English speaking band or author... etc): If you see a single, album, dvd, concert, or book title that contains poor grammar, please consider that even though the English spelling or grammar may be incorrect, that it still may actually be the official title. If someone is searching for the single, and cannot find it the official way... then what good is wiki? Please do not tamper with titles unless you have found hard evidence that the title has been written incorrectly from the official spelling. also note, some OFFICIAL japanese titles are titled in all CAPS (or with stars and hearts or other "non-letter/number characters) this is NOT a mistake, please leave them like this. All one must do is observe the picture or written info of the single/album/book on the official page which is linked in the article at the bottom. Please help keep wikipedia encyclopedic and correct! Thank you. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 04:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, can you provide arguments on why should we break the convention? why not putting redirects in the all uppercase titles? The article text could use uppercase, but I don't see compelling arguments for changing the convention of the title. Also, for the "people wil lsearch for the upper case title", well, that's what the redirects solve. So far I haven't seen a discussion (perhaps you can point it to me) and since there's no consensus yet, I suggest not to change albums titles to uppercase (as in AROUND THE WORLD from the existing titles). -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 04:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I already answered this question on the YUKI talk page. But I guess now I have to run around and post the answer... provide me with a list of where you replied like this so I can run around and answer them all for everyone. Basically an official title should NEVER be changed simply because someone has a different stylistic opinion about it. If you want to get rid of the caps take up th argument with record lables and the artist themselves. The best example is the YUKI single "joy" verse the YUKI album "JOY." Case closed. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 19:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Except that you didn't stating your point clearly was causing other editors to move articles changing their titles. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 20:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"If you want to get rid of the caps take up the argument with record lables(sic) and the artist themselves". This has nothing to do with the issue. Record labels, artists and copyright holders do not define how English is correctly capitalized. The Wikipedia manual of style does that. Here are the most pertinent issues:

"Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment, e.g. avoid: REALTOR® instead, use: Realtor"

All proper names should be capitalized in the body of the text.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28trademarks%29#General_rules

(Special exceptions are trademarks with initial uncapitalized letters such as iPod and CamelCase)

Reduce track titles on albums where all tracks are in all capitals to title case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28capital_letters%29#All_caps

Your arguments misunderstand the role of the encyclopedia: to inform about the topic, not to display typographically these 'official' names within the body. Sidebars and (debatably) album notes at the end of an article can inform of these typographic vagaries - the body text should not. English readers simply are interested in legibility. Macgruder 17:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The typesettings used on Album covers (and this is not restricted to merely Asian artists - examples can be seen from all continents) are far too unreliable to be used in an encyclopedia. This is why the Wikipedia naming convention on musical releases has been set the way it has. If an album appears with it's name all in upper case on the sleeve that is no reason to list it as such on Wikipedia. In these cases a redirect to the article title which conforms with Wiki guidelines will suffice. 219.112.189.202 04:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is not only symbols and caps that I am concerned with, it also faulty grammar and spelling. If the title of an album is "mechine it tyming bamb" this should, under NO CIRCUMSTANCE, be changed to "the machine is a time bomb"... because that is NOT the official title. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 21:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no. We have our own guidelines, and should be respected, regardless of trademarks. Check here, Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band)). and here: Capitalize trademarks, as with proper names. and Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment -- ReyBrujo 22:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a case in point. YUKI has a song called 'joy' and an album called 'Joy'... end of story. Sorry. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 01:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then you would have Joy (Yuki album) and Joy (Yuki song). Sorry, but our guidelines override trademarks and editor desires, and going against them is usually a bad idea, as it can be considered you are just trying to make a point. If you don't agree, discuss at the WikiProject Japan, but I tell you, this has already been agreed. I have fixed all Namie Amuro and Ayumi Hamasaki titles, and although people didn't like it at first, and still there are some anonymous reverting, most had understood. It is not a matter of "listen, I am right and you are wrong", but instead a consensus that this is the way to do it. -- ReyBrujo 02:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was never talking about the page titles, I was talking about the song titles listed in the discography text WITHIN THE ARTICLE BODY. Again... and for the last time, end of story. -- NatsukiGirl\^talk 08:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK WHERE IS THE 15th ANNIVERSARY TRIBUTE ALBUM? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.62.206.252 (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not conform to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters) Brettr 02:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I decapitalized the title from this:

• JUDY AND MARY

to this:

• Judy and Mary. Greg Jones II 19:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

should it be noted that Sobakasu was turned into Freckles by Tiggy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.25.217 (talk) 19:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]