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why is the neutrality being disputed? i see nothing out of the ordinary. it appears to me most of what is said are comments that any sportscaster would make, not just someone's personal opinions. Strawberryfire 01:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The neutrality is being disputed because of words like 'awful' being used to describe his shooting in Atlanta. A better statement would be 'many fans said that Terry underperformed while in Atlanta, as evidenced by lower shooting percentages'. In addition, the second NPOV is there because there is absolutely no mention of the controversy surrounding the suspension for an alleged punch Terry threw, as he was being gang tackled by Ginobilli and Finley. Of course, Finley and Ginobilli's actions are somehow missing from the insert on this incident too. To ignore that there is a controversy in regards to this punch, and just say that it was conclusively a punch is intellectually dishonest. I am hoping the editor of those comments would change to wording to present and equal view of the incident, and include the controversy and implicatcsuxballasions of it --- which will be known tonight. AggieSpirit 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I can agree with that, especially the parts about the punch. In my opinion, Terry should definitely not have been suspended but I could be biased because I am from Dallas and a huge mavs fan. I can support a neutrality tag for that section. Strawberryfire 17:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are very biased. He definitely SHOULD have been suspended, it was a very intentional and very malicious act, anyone who can't see that is just delusional. HOWEVER, I think they should have it deffered until after the playoff. Yes I am a mavs fan. They will win tonight without him anyway. -Brett 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You know what Terry Definitely deserved to be suspended and more then one game. Terry Admitted to throwing the punch and apoligize for his mistakes. Mark Cuban Owner said "That Is Unbelievable" but did say that he did throw a punch and its just a mistake that they are going to have to live with. I don't Know where these rumors are coming out from it was controversial and he did not deserve to be suspended when the player clearly admitted to his mistakes.

And now you see that they did not win. You Know why because the hardest thing to do in a playoff's is knock out a champion. It's nothing to win game 1, 2 and be on a roll but the other team is not gonna sit back and say ooo the hell with it lets just wait untill we get better next year. Hell no a team is going to make ajustments and stick out the finger and say come on and take my crown if you can. If you were watching the game today the commentators laid down the nba rules. If you make your hand into a fist and swing it then it is automatic suspension for the next game. It's the rules!!!!

(IMO) The referee's have sucked. They have definitely favored the mavs. Charles Barkley, Kenny The Jet Smith, and Stephen A. Smith have stated that also.


the refs have been consistently bad all series for both teams, and i think everyone can agree on that. whether or not the TNT commentators agree to that or not, i could care less. the mavs will dominate in game seven either way. in any case, i think the section about terry's alleged punch and suspension can lose the neutrality tag. its down to two basic sentances or so, and there's really nothing controversial about it. Strawberryfire 01:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No Sir No Sir. I do not agree with that and nobody else would. The San Antonio Spurs have not benefited from the Refs No sir you are incorrect there, No Sir. Game 2, The refs were sooo bad that they called a jump ball when ginobili passed the ball to Tim duncan. In Game 3 Tim Duncan Was Fouled out because Dirk Nowitzki injured his ankle by stepping on Tim Duncan on a call that was totally a no foul. And when Tim duncan could have possibly obtained the rebound he was not their due to that fake call that the refs thought that they supposably saw. In game 4, There was one very Important play down the clutch were the ball supposely did not touch the rim and when the referee's weren't sure if it did or did not they compensated the mavericks with a unexisted foul that led dallas to a 2 point free throw shot that gave them the lead. San Antonio Was winning the game and a fake call in the end was called that Bruce Bowen fouled Dirk Nowitzki which never existed which, And even Dallas fans and Experts did not agree with that foul. That is where the Tnt crew Said that the Referee's Sucked. And how did i know that, because I was present and recorded that game. In this series san antonio have not benefited from the refs. It is complete Ignorance to believe that san antonio has had any kind of advantage. In Game 2,3,4 the Mavs benefited from the refs. I would Like to see Dallas be champions. I love dallas. The city has been good to me, but to advance in a unfair way is not the way i want to see them go on. I am a San antonio spurs fan but i see the games neutral. I hate making excuses but this is just plain BULLSHIT. I see the calls the way they are, not the way i want to see them. If san antonio Loses then I acept it, But not in this unfair manner. San Antonio has eliminated dallas Twice from the playoffs 4-1 and 4-2, And Fairly, I did not celebrate or said any stupid comment like that immature prick mark cuban, but still I was happy to see my team advance. Dallas has insulted the spurs in a dispicable manner and now that the series is tied 3-3 dallas maverick fans are scared. I will tell you this IF IF IF IF san antonio wins game 7 i will not celebrate and if i do it will be because of the victory and the advancement into the conference finals.

(IMO) I wish the Best for mavs, They were a team with no future They were one of the worst, But where do you think that their leadership is coming from??? From Avery Fucking the Great Johnson. Where do you think he got all his knowledged from man, From Greg Popovich, That is why dallas has improved their defense. With Don Nelson Their Offsence was (silence).....................Beautiful. But you know the Story Offense Wins Games But Defense WIns Championships. Look Dude I love mavericks You have got to see the neutral point of view and not pretend. I have Tried to see mavs view and to tell you the truth mavs fans should be happy that they have a game seven. I know that you won't admit to this because your a mavs fan but i swear to god i am the most truthful person you will ever meet over the internet. Me and my friends have gathered together and talked about the series, Half of them are from dallas and the other from san antonio and houston. And we all agreed to this conclusion, And It's TRUE. So please can you understand this, But hey off the record why do you think that mark cuban would say those insults on san antonio? Do you think that he is A: Scared of losing B: Jealous of what Houston and San Antonio have Done? C: Or just trying to get fans hyped up . Look If dallas wins much love i hope they can beat pistons or whoever. But if Spurs win then support us don't go against USsss.

Don't Ever Forget Spurs Have Fought Wars Against Lakers.


ridiculous. i am sitting here watching the third quarter of game seven and i have seen the spurs get away with murder and the mavs get called every time they come close to touching a spurs player. the mavs have gotten called for more than double the fouls the spurs have. so dont try to argue that the mavs BENEFIT from the refs. if anything, its the other way around.


Okay, 4th Quarter, a ridiculous loose ball foul is called on tony parker because he supposely fouled dirk. Parker was crouched and not even going or looking for the ball and he is called for a foul, Happened Twice . Leads dallas to a 4 total points. Tony is running down on a fast break couple seconds after the player doesn't even touch the ball and hits tony and the arm. No foul is called. The whole game Duncan was being fouled every single time he was getting his back pushed. Push after push after push now the refs did not call that i understand duncan will score anyways. But he goes up and is getting wacked and mavs protest that their was no foul now first of all the foul should have already come when he is being pushed on the back. There are players who always protest cause they won't admit that they comitted a foul. And their are rare complainers cause when they argue the foul on a replay you see that their is no foul. Now 3 players fouled out from dallas not one argued whyyyyy because they know that those fouls came cheap to them and were we'll deserved.

  • there are players who complain every time a foul is called on them - and the worst offender in that category is definitely tim duncan. the refs called some fouls on the spurs that they didnt deserve - but they let them get away with twice as many, and the mavs got fouls called on them that they didnt deserve either. the TNT announcers echoed my thoughts when they brought up the fact that the mavs had been called for over twice as many fouls as the spurs - its not supposed to be even per se, but when you see something like that its usually not because the refs are calling everything completely evenly. above all, i dont want to hear anyone blaming the loss of the series on the refs, because the spurs had numerous chances to clinch the series (they had the last possession in regulation play in both games that went into overtime this series - in both cases they missed the last shots, and in both cases the mavericks went on to win) and to blame it on the refs would overlook that fact.

Tim duncan is the most Emotionless person ever to play in the NBA. How can that be said that he is the worst offender. How many times over his 9 year career has Tim Duncan Ever Been Ejected? Just once and because garnett got in his face. Tim duncan is not a offender in that catagory. Avery stragedy was to waste time and use all the fouls he had for tim duncan cause their was no way to stop him. He USED DIOP, Kieth Van Horn, And Dampier Just to put a body on him and send him to the line every single commenter in this series said the exact same thing. Everyone from Espn, TNT, Fox Sports, and ABC. There was not any bogus calls on Mavericks. If mavs were called for a foul then they got it cheap. Send spurs to the line to make 2 of 1. San antonio never had a reason to foul. The calls given to mavs were like Delicate, Ouch don't break my nails kinda calls. But the reason you believe that supposely in the third quarter spurs were supposely getting away with murder. Mavs fan were just panicking due to the domination and execution of the spurs in the second half.

  • no one was ever arguing that duncan was hotheaded or violent, just that he whines a lot when anyone gets near him. every time duncan got blocked he would look at the refs as though he were in disbelief that a foul wasnt called. every time he got called for a foul, he looked at the refs as though he were the one who had been fouled. duncan is a great player, and deserves his mvp honors that he has gotten in the past. it is true that avery and the mavs had a difficult time defending him. during the third quarter of game seven it seemed as though every play the mavs would get called for a foul, only to be fouled while they were on offense with no foul called. im not saying that refs are more important than players, or that the refs affected the outcome of the game, and i would still be saying that even if the mavs had lost, which, given that the spurs had the final possession, they should have. if avery's strategy was just to foul duncan over and over, in a hack-a-shaq sort of technique, he obviously didnt act like it, because that strategy is only smart if you're using second and third string players to do the fouling. no coach would send their starters and their only big men in and tell them to just to foul from the start of the game. your accusations show little understanding of avery's brilliant coaching that led them to the win to begin with. have i been arguing with popovich this whole time?

Its unbelievable to argue popovich's coaching. what was he mistakes??? none just go match their intensity move your feet and move the ball and feed Tim Duncan. This is not understandable "it is true that avery and the mavs had a difficult time defending him. during the third quarter of game seven it seemed as though every play the mavs would get called for a foul, only to be fouled while they were on offense with no foul called." ??? Mavs get called for a foul when they are on offense with no foul called???? How does it become a foul then, if there is no foul called? I understand that duncan sometimes look at the refs in disbelief but you have got to put yourself in his position and think how he must feel when going down the clutch. He gets stepped on by nowitzki which causes Nowitzki to twist his ankle and get Tim fouled out from a very important game. Or how frustrating it must be to pass the ball to something else on your team and a jump ball be called. It is just unbelievable. It's like saying jason terry did not punch finley. and you do agree that avery did try to waste his fouls on tim duncan so why is it that you say that every play down the defensive end mavs get called for a foul? If you agree with the stragedy avery is trying to put out? Because you did say this "he obviously didnt act like it, because that strategy is only smart if you're using second and third string players to do the fouling" and if you look at the stats you will see that his second and third string players were in foul trouble or fouled out and so were his first string. Avery Had Dampier on duncan as 1st and 2nd string, Diop 1st and 2nd String, And Kieth Van Horn 3rd String All on Tim Duncan. So what is not understandable here?? Look at the stats to see if they did not play that stragedy or waste his fouls. 4 fouls in 4 minutes by kieth van horn. make sense??

first of all - did you understand anything i said? i was never arguing popovich's coaching, i was making a joke. and might i add, a joke that did not call popovich's coaching into question. popovich is a great coach. no one ever said anything to the contrary. what i meant with the fouls was: the mavs and the spurs were both all over each other in the third quarter of that game. the mavs got defensive fouls called on them almost every play. san antonio was playing the same way, but no fouls were called on them. the commentators made the same remarks. keith van horn is not a third string player. if you havent seen him playing very much, its because he was injured until the middle of the series against the spurs. he gets quite a bit of playing time now that he is back in the rotation. dampier is a starter, not 2nd string. diop is technically 2nd string but usually gets a good amount of playing time. the three of them are vital players. third string mavs would be players such as mbenga, who never saw a minute in the spurs series. the technique of fouling players on purpose only works, as i said, when you use players that never get any minutes anyways, so its not like the team is hurt when they foul out. players such as dampier were getting called for way too many fouls in that game, and dampier is a starter. and tim duncan still whines a lot about fouls...im not saying i wouldnt do the same thing if i were him. im just saying that he whines a lot. not a bad player...just whines a lot. i can't wait to see how you will misquote me next.

First of All Kieth van horn played in game 2. Not half way in the Series. And how can Mbenga even play??? he is injured he isnt even on the roster anymore. And if you check avery started Diop as starter in some games and Dampier even tho Dampier is a starter. Check it out he was not a starter on several games. He is a first string player but did not start, very big difference. I don't know what commentators you are talking about but they never said that. I did hear them say that fouling Tim is the only mavs can control him and every time down the floor repeat the stragedy. One Third Quarter does not change a game but the Outcome in the Clutch does. Your only saying that cause dallas was on top by 20 and san antonio started coming back. But there wasn't anything wrong with that quarter. Dallas missed shots and san antonio made theirs. Dallas game is run up the floor pull back, jump, and shoot. And simply they missed there weren't any foul calls that you suppose to have seen. I have that game recorded also and i've seen several times and absolutely nothing wrong with that "getting away with murder" third quarter.

to be honest, i forgot why we were arguing in the first place. so...yeah. go mavs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5706956?GT1=8211 click on cuban comments on loss.


Posted by: Marikina

Why was this paragraph removed?

  • Although Terry is a good on-the-ball defender (as evidenced by his record-setting steals record in Arizona), his man-to-man defense is still suspect. Terry's defensive assignment oftentimes blows past him and does an awfully poor job of defending screens on whether he should go over or under and doesn't seem to put much of an effort at fighting through it. Critics also are quick to point out his low assist totals which is generally expected from combo guards such as Terry, but this can also be attributed to Avery Johnson's instructions prior to the start of the 05-06 season that he shoot more and become Nowitzki's right-hand man.

I'm a hardcore Mav fan and I don't have any qualms with that at all. In fact, if you ask any Mav fan they'll probably say the same too. There's no vandalism going on here - just facts.


Listen Everybody

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This is a place to discuss changes to the article, and not opinions on Jason Terry or anything else. As such, I've gotten rid of the trivia section, see WP:AVTRIV, and integrated the majority of it into the rest of the article. The stuff that was unverifiable I've completely erased. No good articles have trivia sections. Also, anybody who adds anything to this article needs to make sure it is attributable to reliable third-party sources, see WP:ATT, and not just personal opinion, no matter how many people share that opinion. Thank you, --Tractorkingsfan 21:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The 'Regular season' table has the wrong team listed for the 2012-13 season. It should list Boston. It currently says Dallas. 67.71.80.171 (talk) 13:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done Good catch! Thank you for pointing this out. —C.Fred (talk) 13:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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