Talk:George Floyd (American football)

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close, article moved again to base title by HJ Mitchell (non-admin closure) – Thjarkur (talk) 14:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd (American football) → George Floyd – There are only two articles about "George Floyd", and a National Football League athlete would likely be more notable than an incident of police brutality Jax 0677 (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Disambiguation is required here as the death of George Floyd is a heavily publicized topic right now and for the foreseeable future, considering how such cases go on for lengthy times. Despite the one being a stub, both articles are notable in their respective ways, but I can see the other article becoming he primary topic soon. However, this article definitely needs to have the subtitle of "American footballer" instead of "American football". AshMusique (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply - This can be taken care of by a hatnote. --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - It's already taken care of with a disambiguation page. A hatnote on this page redirecting to Death of George Floyd might be appropriate. That incident is looking to be the most notable police brutality incident ever filmed. Kire1975 (talk) 06:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Oppose You are kidding me right? A look on page view analysis reveals this page was receiving on average around 2 views a day for the past month. This has only blown up massively now because of the police brutality case. The police brutality case is extremely likely to receive much, much more coverage, not only now but for a significant period of time. The increased interest in this article will be purely because of the police brutality case alone. I would go as far to even suggest the page George Floyd should redirect straight to the Death of George Floyd but that's a debate for another time. Inexpiable (talk) 18:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: May be you should consider a third case, that of Sir George Floyd Duckett. Of course he may have Floyd as his middle name only, but Floyd Duckett may well be his "surname" werldwayd (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. This Floyd only played three seasons in the National Football League with non-notable statistics. There is a reason why his article is still a stub. He is not as notable as an Ed Reed, a Ronnie Lott or a Deion Sanders. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Agree. Minneapolis George Floyd is not notable as a person nearly as much as his death. Football player George Floyd was known for his person Zhuk20 (talk) 05:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Move George Floyd to George Floyd (disambiguation) and redirect George Floyd to Death of George Floyd. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per above. Quahog (talk • contribs) 12:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - you've got to be kidding. Look at RS coverage of the victim versus the football player, and it's not even close. I agree this page shouldn't be a dab, As the victim is the primary topic. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 13:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Speedy move. Highly visible page with over 100,000 views/day recently. The previous move by HJ Mitchell, who appears to be offline, presumably was a bold move which missed that there was an ongoing move discussion (above) at #Requested_move_26_May_2020. The page was also then admin move protected. The move was not only contrary to the consesnsus at the time (after only 2 days open), but the edit summary of "WP:2DAB"—a guideline which allows for WP:NOPRIMARY even with two topics—seems to have been confused with the essay WP:2DABPRIMARY, which is more liberal about choosing a primary topic. No prejudice if someone wants to restart the previous preempted discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd → George Floyd (American football) – Per the voters above. The football player has limited coverage and insignificant stats, the police brutality subject has significant coverage in international media. Readers are not looking for this article. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I agree. People already know about this article but not the other one.  3125A ^{Talk! _Edits!} 15:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - The police brutality victim is the primary topic of the title "George Floyd". Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • A dab page is not necessary because no other person named George Floyd has anywhere near as much RS coverage. I agree it's a primary redirect and I support a speedy move, redirect and hatnote. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 20:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Support speedy move: The article should be speedy-moved back to "George Floyd (American football)", as there was an ongoing discussion (for which there was a STRONG WP:SNOW CONSENSUS to have it at "George Floyd (American football)") at the time of the move to the basename. I'd say it's a "WP:DEADLINENOW" situation. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging all the participants of the discussion that was ONGOING (and for which there was a CONSENSUS) when the page was moved to "George Floyd". @Jax 0677, AshMusique, Kire1975, Inexpiable, Werldwayd, Zzyzx11, Zhuk20, Usedtobecool, Quahog, and Levivich:. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had previously moved this page to George Floyd (American football) and created a disambiguation page, so HJ Mitchell was reverting my undiscussed move. I do think it was unnecessary to move it back since there was clear consensus against it. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. Thanks for helping clarify! Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support speedy move @HJ Mitchell: your move appears to have been against a WP:SNOW consensus, and your move-protecting the page further compounds the damage. Please handle this. If you aren't online right now, I support someone else taking care of it, per WP:DEADLINENOW. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as there was obvious consensus to have this moved to "George Floyd (American football)" Quahog (talk • contribs) 19:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support A disambiguation page here is definitely necessary. Trying to show a football player instead of a victim of injustice can be interpreted by some as an attempt to "hide" the crime. KevTYD (wake up) 19:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Is a disambiguation page necessary? I think the victim might be the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT – Thjarkur (talk) 19:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support speedy move, as well as a potential move protection for the base title George Floyd. O.N.R. ^(talk) 20:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Support speedy move A disambiguation page here is definitely necessary as soon as possible. TalkativeIndividual130 (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - The athlete who performed in one of the greatest sports leagues in the world is actually named "George Floyd". The incident is not actually named "George Floyd". A hatnote at George Floyd will suffice. However, if the page must be moved, the disambiguation page should be maintained. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Just because someone participated in a popular sports league doesn't mean they immediately become extremely notable to the world at large. (And it's irrelevant whether you happen to consider it "one of the greatest sports leagues in the world". I might agree, and it very well may be, but that doesn't mean that players in that league automatically are granted "primary-topic notability".) Based on pageviews, it's clear that not very many people were coming to this page (literally 2 single pageviews A MONTH), until recently with the death of a completely different George Floyd. And even now (especially as the death of the other George Floyd has led to a wave of riots and protests across a country) people are only ending up on this page erroneously as the other George Floyd becomes more and more relevant. The only thing currently being accomplished by having the football player at the basename is inconvenience – which we should strive to avoid. Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong support and proposing early close per the snowball clause. Also think "George Floyd" should then be redirected to Death of George Floyd, considering the heavy amount of traffic the name itself has been receiving. A disambiguation page is therefore not a necessity. AshMusique (talk) 21:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support The police brutality incident has received a whole lot of coverage, definitely much more than this relatively minor 1980s NFL player. Sanjay7373 (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Make George Floyd a disambiguation page and let the reader decide where he wants to go. This is the best shortcut to all this time-consuming argument. I've already mentioned a third person called Sir George Floyd Duckett, 3rd Baronet that has a place as a "see also" in an ideal disambiguation page. Having said that, I can't but express utter dismay at the present situation. There was no urgency whatsoever to make the footballer the main subject despite all circumstances. 99.9% of the readers wanted the current incident. There was no urgency whatsoever at this time and day to make this ill-advised move for George Floyd to be the main subject. werldwayd (talk) 23:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support because that should be the name of the page anyway, given the discussion to move to the current title was almost unanimous opposed. JustLucas (they/them) (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support & speedy move: the name of the victim is the primary topic in this case & should be redirected to Death of George Floyd as part of this discussion. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support & speedy move per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support & speedy move. Methyllithium (talk) 04:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.