Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Micronations

Many Micronational articles get deleted very easily on Wikipedia if you want to get involved in a community you can always go to Microwiki it uses wiki media still. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UserMcUserFace1 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 21 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hello, my name is Joel de Abrante-Vazcez and I would like to know what is needed to include in the list of micronations the Kingdom of New Galicia because it's been a long time since I wanted this micronation to be included here at wikipedia. Here it is a link of a blog with info about this micronation in English: http://kingnewgalicia.blogspot.com/, besides it has been recognized by some micronational organisms such LoSS and UNMCN.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newgalician (talk • contribs) 05:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

The new convention will explain how to define a self-proclaimed nation, as well as how to edit articles in Category:Micronations on Wikipedia to avoid disputes. There have been many disputes in the past where Wikipedia users have argued that a self-proclaimed nation is a sovereign state or a self-proclaimed nation is a micronation. There have also been disputes about laws, whether the currency of a self-proclaimed nation is a currency, etc. The problem is that these dispute repeat themselves every few months, so a convention would stop the wasting of time and it would provide a guide to editing articles in the micronation category. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I do not know if a micronation is sovereign or not. Perhaps it would be best to describe all such things as micronations, and then the question of sovreignty (in general) can be debated at the micronation article. Disputes can often be resolved with more accurate sourcing. Vague or overly general statements should be replace with more specific statements that accurately reflect reliable sources. Jehochman ^Talk 18:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

There is a question as Microstate refers to both entities that claim sovreignty and those that are recognized to have it in the lead as "microstates". Personally, I tend to lean toward using "microstate" only to describe those entities which have been formally recognized in some meaningful way by at least one independent entity, like the observer status or higher at the UN, for instance. Beyond that, it would certainly be reasonable to say that a micronation claims to be a microstate in the article, but it's not particularly justified to say that they are simply based on their own say-so. John Carter (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

So with the convention all of these self-proclaimed states would be called micronations but the article can say that these micronation consider themselves to be microstates. I will start writing this convention, which can be edited if you think more information needs to be added. The convention can be found here. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

The "convention" is merely a proposal at this stage. Don't go getting too excited about it until others have had a chance to respond. There's no compelling need to finalise anything. --Gene_poole (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

As we say, there is no deadline. Jehochman ^Talk 19:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I'm surprised by a lack of reliable sources for Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads. Is it real? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

I have major doubts about the veracity of the information in WP about that entity. I believe that it may be completely fictional, but I'm not certain. The paucity of sources would seem to support that view. I have a vague recollection that it might be a creation of Bruce Henderson, the prolific artistamp creator - in which case it's a fictional creation, and not a micronation. --Gene_poole (talk) 01:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Well, we need to verify it. If we cannot tell if it is real in some way it will have to be deleted. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

This FOTW page cites a paper published in 1978 which discusses both Morac Songhrati Meads and the Kingdom of Humanity as private claims over the Spratly Islands, so it would appear that there is some historical basis to these entities. Further research is probably a good idea. Anyone? --Gene_poole (talk) 09:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

[1] ----- This website is for a Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads, with Google calling it a simulation if you search the micronation's name. It has also got a different flag and I read on the internet that this Republic has a government in exile. --- Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 11:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Greetings. I would say that the current Wikipedia entry for the Kingdom of Humanity/Republic MSM overstates the claim. All the available sources point back to the most comprehensive account of the claim that I've managed to find, which is in Marwyn Samuels 1982 study, Contest for the South China Sea. The claim was first pubicly asserted in the early 1950s by a group of American and British subjects who summarized their claim in an affidavit submitted to the US embassy in Manila in 1971. But some of the assertions don't add up and the claim to legitimacy (that they were the descendants of a British sea captain) are not corroborated by any other source. There is an interesting discussion of the problems with the foundation myth here: http://dustyheaps.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-curious-tale-of-humanity-islands.html I would recommend rewriting the Wikipedia article to more accurately reflect self-serving sourcing of the supposedly historical account, while acknowledging that from the 1950s to at least 1972 the claim was actively asserted and has since become dormant (except in Wikipedia! :)).

Jonathan Birchall (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

I have created a portal for micronations, which willl organise all the micronation articles and provide a main page for micronations. I have named the WikiProject and all its members as its maintainers. I only created it in the past hour, so there is still plenty of editing to do. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 16:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Reply

The content of Banknotes of the Jason Islands might seem to qualify the Jason Islands as a micronation. Thoughts? John Carter (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

The title "administrator" along with the banknotes does suggest that its history is similar to Lundy's. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 10:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

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I would like to nominate this article for Featured List status and I thought that other paticipants of this Wikiproject would want to contribute. User:The Rambling Man has some advice for this, that before we nominate we need an individual reference for each micronation (shouldn't be too difficult - some WP:MICRON participants own a copy of Lonely Planet's Guide to Micronations) and that we follow WP:LEAD. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 21:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Indeed. I'm more than happy to "mentor" on the basics of WP:FLC before you submit the list. Feel free to contact me directly. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

This article has been tagged with a CSD tag, and while I feel the CSD will be removed, I think it may go to AfD... if everyone could keep an eye on it, and speak up on the talk page, or if it does wind up going to AfD... - Adolphus79 (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

• Hi. I'm the editor whose going to send this article to AfD. I'm an inclusionist rather than a deletionist, but I still must be consistent in regards to policies. If you read the talk page you'll see what the concerns are. This article doesn't need people to speak up for it on the talk page or anywhere else. It needs improvement so that my concerns and the concerns of fellow editors are addressed. Otherwise it will get deleted and it may drag a few other micronation articles with it if someone points out that similar articles have equally poor verifiable notability. Best wishes! - House of Scandal (talk) 00:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

• I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to WP:CANVASS, even though reading my own entry I could see how it may be read as such... maybe "speak up" was the wrong wording... I was just trying to bring it to the attention of the project. Being somewhat of a deletionist myself, I fully understand your reasons, I just thought that some of the members of the project may be able to provide extra sources than what I have available... - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

• No worries. It did sound like canvassing but I wasn't even taking issue with that. I'm just in the practice of pointing out that the best way to save an article is by improving it rather than merely advocating for it. HINT: check out this numismatics website. There's your second reference. This blog might be referenced as well but it doesn't really hold much weight as a source if someone who wants to get rid of this article scrutinizes it. Keep looking. - House of Scandal (talk) 02:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

• Well, I seem to be doing your work for you. Here's another numismatics website you can reference and here's a micronations wesbsite that discusses BWF. House of Scandal (talk) 03:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

• I had seen a couple of those sites myself, but didn't think they would add any information to the article. The coin sites really help though, I think... maybe the threat of deletion was what I needed to work on the article some more... I honestly think it's sourced well enough now... I'll leave the notability tag on there for you to remove if you think that issue has been resolved... Thank you for your help, and let me know if you think it needs more... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

• Looks better. My advice is to write every article as if someone is going to propose it for deletion. It's exceedingly rare that someone overtly uses the "threat of deletion" to encourage and gently guide someone's improvement efforts. It's more common for someone to decide something needs to be deleted and to then make it their personal crusade to see it happen. They might be relatively good-intentioned or they might be what is uncivilly known as a "deletionist asshole". In either case, the person will probably know Wikipedia policy inside and out, they might even be an admin. In any case, it's easier to avoid the debate than to win it. Best wishes! - House of Scandal (talk) 04:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I was thinking that maybe an article (possibly even just a list or table) would be in order for all the simulationist nations out there. I'd be more than willing to be heavily involved in the building of such an article as I am greatly involved in simulationism. How would people feel about this? Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 15:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Internet simulations (if by that you include micronations like the Kingdom of Lovely) are a type of micronation. I think creating an article or list would be a great idea, however we have this constant problem with the list of micronations, where newly created micronations are added to the list when they cannot be verified. Because simulationist states are much easier to create than micronations on land it will be likely that IP addresses and newly created accounts will begin to direct their attempts at "micronation advertisement" towards this new article or list. Other than that if references can be provided and policies are followed then it can be created. Are there enough simulationist states, with references, to include in a list that is specific to the topic? Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

With respect to the "advertisement" thing, I think that a verfication means should be found. Maybe if we had external links for every nation (to their website or forum) on the list, when a new nation is added from an unknown IP or a new member, then if a website for the nation cannot be found it should be removed from the list. There are definitely enough simulationist nations for a list, there are more simulationists than secessionists I'm sure. The "ForumList" has listed the names (and fora) of many nations which could all be added to a new article. Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

But don't most simulationist states only have their website or forum as a reference? We need reliable third-party sources, are there enough simulationist states that follow WP:RS? Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 21:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

The problem with "simulationist nations" - by which I assume you mean the sort of micronations that populate the micronations.net online forum, is that, apart from a tiny number of minor exceptions (eg Lovely, Kemetia, Lagoan Isles, Caux), no reliable third party has ever noted their existence. There are no newspaper articles, books or any other independent source that can be used as a basis for a WP article on the subject, and thus it fails to meet both WP:V and WP:NOTE. --Gene_poole (talk) 23:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I'm sure there are articles which have information (not alone in list form) that is not verified by a third party. I have been editing the List of twin towns and sister cities in the United Kingdom article for a while, and have no real evidence that the towns mentioned are actually twinned with those that the article says they are. I just have to take people's word for it that any new additions are twinned with the places. Well, I could look around on the towns' twinning sites, but even then, many of them do not have such sites. Can you see the link between the verifiction on this article and a possible simulationist states list? Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 19:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

On Wikipedia we can't just take people's word for it, because it will just be deleted. We need references, especially since IPs and newly created accounts attempt to use these lists for advertisements. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

On that list I mentioned, nothing has been deleted because of a lack of references. Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

It will happen eventually, either that or someone (maybe a bot) will tag it for the lack of references. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

But surely if, with that article, the twinning sites (should they exist) are enough for a reference without a third-party for their existence. Which would be the same for the simulationist states with their websites... Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 19:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

That would mean using a self-published source. Anyone can create a website and say that they have created a simulationist state when really they haven't, that is why we need third party sources - to make sure that their claims are correct. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 22:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

That's what most simulationist states are though, just a website or forum. I belive with effort, a list could very much work on here. We just need to try it out or something to see how it goes... Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 23:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

We most certainly do not need to "try it out". If they are "just a website" then they do not belong in WP. It's not negotiable. --Gene_poole (talk) 23:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Yes miss. So all those people who actually put more effort into their simulationist states than many who say they "claim land" and have been reported on don't deserve a mention. Hmm... Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 19:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

While it is true that some simulationist states have had a huge amount of effort put into their construction (such as Nova Roma), Wikipedia does not have information on these states unless they have references (Nova Roma has references, therefore it is included). As editors we don't include micronations based on how much effort has been put into construction, but whether it has reliable references to support their existence. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 12:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Okay. I'll have to try and get something published about us all then ;)... I've had an idea actually, although it won't be a full article, I could always have a User Page devoted to listing simulationist states... Craitman H. Pellegrino (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Instead of a userpage, maybe you could create a sandbox for the list whilst finding ways of getting some simulationist states published. Notability is the only obstacle as far as I can see - so a list could be possible in the future. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I am trying to add my micronation, The Kingdom of TwoChairs, to wikipedia. I have tried to add it, but it has been deleted because of lack of notable references (see my talk page. Although we have a website, we are not anywhere notable. Please help me to put us on wikipedia! Cadan ap Tomos (talk) 13:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Unless your micronation complies with WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:NOTE it cannot be included in Wikipedia. These policies and guidelines apply to all Wikipedia content. There are no exceptions. --Gene_poole (talk) 23:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

It complies with WP:NPOV (see here, the original text of the page), and WP:NOTE as it is well known within the micronational community, but I can't get enough citations to get an article up and running. What would qualify as a reliable source, except, say, the press? Cadan ap Tomos 13:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Read Wikipedia:Reliable_sources. --Gene_poole (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

I find it unacceptable that the article about Kevin Baugh,president of the Republic of Molossia, is up for merge with Republic of Molossia.

Why? Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 13:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

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I can't remember the location that Gene's old notability / inclusion criterion was at. That should, even if still controversial or unapproved, be linked off the project page... Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

You mean WP:MICROCON? - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 12:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Speaking of which... isn't it time we promoted this to a formal policy? It's been sitting around as a proposal for a rather long time now, and nobody has raised any concerns about it (which makes sense - it simply reflects a 5-year community consensus). Should we seek further input from members of the project, or just go ahead and do it? --Gene_poole (talk) 15:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

I tried a few weeks ago, but an editor replied that it needs to be seen "by other members of the Wikipedia community". When I asked for an explanation, he never replied. We need to promote this to an official guideline - and we can seek input from other members/editors by leaving a message on this page. If noone replies or has any disagreements within a certain amount of time, then we can promote it. What do you think of this Gene Poole? If a section on support/object is started, I'll add my username on the support list. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 16:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Sounds fine to me. --Gene_poole (talk) 17:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Please add your username below if you support or oppose the promotion of WP:MICROCON to official guideline status, or if you wish to comment. (Written by Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC))Reply

• Support - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
• Support - --Gene_poole (talk) 20:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
• Support - However, this is not the right process to do that. We can poll here to agree to do that, but it needs to be properly marked as a proposed guideline and noticed on the Village pump policy forum, WP:AN, probably the talk page for the main notability policy... Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
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• Oppose. Coming here from WP:AN, I think that this is an unneeded guideline. Its contents are, in substance, already covered by WP:N and WP:RS, as well as in various WP:MOS pages.  Sandstein  11:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose as a notability guideline, as it doesn't say anything WP:N doesn't. I would support removing the notability stuff and expanding the last section to make this a naming convention, though.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 12:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment - I think a naming convention is absolutely necessary in the case of micronations. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose. I too see no reason for this. Deor (talk) 18:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment - You only have to look at the various deletion nominations and other comments on talk pages from micronation articles to see why a guideline is necessary. Aervanath's comment was a much more detailed and constructive form of criticism. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 19:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose. Most miocronations lack significance outside the egos of their creators, and most micronation articles are poorly-sourced junk. This looks like an attempt to override WP:N on the basis of WP:ILIKEIT. Guy (Help!) 23:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment: Your extremist POV on this subject does not represent the established community consensus. Nor does it reflect reality. Please try to make a more constructive contribution to the discussion. --Gene_poole (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)Reply
• Oppose per Sandstein and JzG. And may I just say how refreshing it is to find a cabal operating so openly. A real rib-tickler. Note to aspiring cabalists: trying to remove my comment several times just reinforces the impression of a wee clique at work. And using edit summaries to conduct personal attacks is not looked on kindly by Admins. There are lessons that need learnt here. --Mais oui! (talk) 08:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • Yet I see that you have no problem with people removing the section "Cabal?". Rather than posting support or oppose, you set up the "Cabal?" section without providing reasons for your claim, then you use the deletion of your comment as an opportunity to continue claiming that there is a cabal under the title of oppose. We need this guideline - the comment from JzG is a perfect example of the reason why - these comments are repeated every time there is a deletion nomination on micronations, or when a redirect is mentioned on the talk page of micronations, etc.. Mais oui! - after reading your comments from the Forvik deletion nomination again - the one that coldacid and I easily refuted - you have also used these comments before. The comments can be found here. If you are going to oppose, then please state your reasons why rather than rewriting your "Cabal?" section. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 23:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

The Kingdom of Humanity article is categorized as being part of this project. It needs some help. The article has recently come to the attention of the WP:RSN noticeboard as having multiple sourcing issues (some of the sources are not reliable, and others are iffy) ... also, in the course of discussion it seems that there are some other issues (such as edit warring by a persistant vandal). I hope some of the Micronation Project members will pop over and help sort things out. Thanks. Blueboar (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

I saw that there was discussion about having a Micronations FAQ, so I started coming up with some basic questions in my sandbox. Feel free to edit it. After we get enough questions, we could move it to a subpage of the WikiProject. --Micromaster (talk) (contributions) 22:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Now the FAQ is located here. --Micromaster (talk) (contributions) 23:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

I just happened to notice that List of micronations was a feature list, but was not assessed on the importance scale... I went ahead and assessed it as "Top" importance, since (I believe) it's one of our (the WikiProject's) more important articles... I then noticed that there are very few articles that are rated for importance at all... I would like to propose that we take a look at the importance scale and try to assess at least most of our articles... We'll start with Top importance, and move down... We also need to figure out what would qualify for High and Mid... Here's what I'm thinking...

• "Top" - we decide on like half a dozen or so articles that are the foundation of the WikiProject... I believe that the top importance class should be reserved for the absolute most important articles to the project, the ones that if all others were deleted, we would absolutely need to keep... I know that Micronation and List of micronations are obviously top, but what others do people think should be in that class?

• "High" - reserved for the more important/famous/established nation's articles, and maybe some of the more important lists & more famous leaders... Sealand, etc.

• "Mid" - a blanket class for all nations and leaders...

• "Low" - everything else?

What does everyone think of this/ any suggestions on bettering / detailing this classification? any recommendations for specific articles in top or high? - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:05, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

I am not saying that I approve of its continued wiki existence, but I thought you should be aware that Hatohobei (micronation) is currently a PROD. Regards, Ben MacDui 08:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

looks like one of several articles started every day here about newly founded micronations that don't pass WP:N or WPV... while WP:MADEUP is borderline incorrect, the prod2 stating it does not pass notability concerns is correct... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

OK, understood. Ben MacDui 18:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

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This may just be my own opinion but dont you all think that we need a "Micronation Barnstar" or something along those lines?--Coldplay Expert (talk) 01:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Someone insists on adding the word "microstate" into the lead of the article. As this could be a precedent, members of this project might be interested in it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 04:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

I agree, other editors should be interested in discussing this possible issue. It could have ramifications for all micronation articles. Outback the koala (talk) 04:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

No. Micronations are seperate from microstates, in that they are unrecognised state-like entities, not recognised states that happen to be small. - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 13:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

This was solved months ago. Thanks though! :D Outback the koala (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

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What are the minimum qualification a micronation must have so that it can be added to Wikipedia. Please tell me. I want to add something but I don't know the minimum qualifications. -Leodescal

Just driving by. I have to say, I know nothing about WikiProject Micronations, but I can tell you what is needed in general to start an article. Ultimately, inclusion on an article may be debated on WP:Articles for Deletion where the community can discuss inclusion. That's the final say. In general I can say you need independent reliable sources that give more than trivial attention to the subject. For example, a chapter or a few paragraphs in a book, an article in a magazine about the subject, or some articles in newspapers over an extended period of time. Being featured in ISBN 9781156532904 Micronations: Micronation, Principality of Sealand, List of Micronations, Principality of Hutt River, Neue Slowenische Kunst or ISBN 9781741047301 Micronations. Which is actually why I were here. Does anyone have the former? Which micronations are listed there in some detail? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

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You can use Micropedia to make pages for you micronation. It is pretty popular these days and its multilingual. Here is the link: http://micropedia.asia/wiki/Micronational_Encyclopedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nico Fors (talk • contribs) 19:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

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I put the following at Talk:Lundy but it will likely get wider visibility here:

The article explicitly states "Although the island was ruled as a virtual fiefdom, its owner never claimed to be independent of the United Kingdom, in contrast to later territorial 'micronations'". This seems to be stating quite categorically that Lundy should not be classified as a micronation, which is defined as "an entity that claims to be an independent nation or state but is not officially recognized by world governments or major international organizations", yet it is included in that category (all emphasis mine). I therefore propose that Lundy be removed from the Micronation category. RichardOSmith (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Agreed, and done. It correctly does not appear in the article List of micronations. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I have also removed the article from Category:Micronations in England. RichardOSmith (talk) 07:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

The new article Skovaji needs to be assesed and assigned a rating, as well as put on to your footer/article list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistoop (talk • contribs) 07:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Is this micronation good enough to have a wikipedia article? NZRE Empire Numberguy6 (talk) 22:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

If you're interested, please have a look at the Talkpage of WP:MICROCON, where I'm having a crack at getting the guideline approved. Bromley86 (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

On examining several articles pertaining to claimed micronations there are a number that are essentially John Doe claims they have a nation and that have seceded from actual nation X. The wording in the leads generally state that they are or is a micronation within nation X. How does the WikiProject Micronations determine if a micronation exists factually? Merely identifying something is WP:notable does not satisfy that it is also WP:verifiable.

In what manner does an imaginary state and/or government establish it's actual existence? Legally some of these are in fact imaginary countries without deference to made up claims by John Doe that aren't enforceable, aren't recognized. When John Doe is taxed by the legitimate government (e.g for example Republic of Molossia) it is by definition non-existent and bows to the police power of the legitimate government authority.

I propose that all of the articles pertaining to claimed micronations have the phrase "is a claimed micronation" right in the lead to clarify that wikipedia is not endorsing the existence of an entity without legal or other proof it actually exists. This would be differentiated from micronations or otherwise small nations that have existed (legally) microstates and others. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 14:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

I created an RfC about the Federal Republic of Lostisland mention in Matthew Island and Hunter Island article, a discussion has been going on sporadically for six years but no consensus was ever achieved. Escargoten (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

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There is a new micronation between Croatia and Serbia and it's called Verdis. I made a draft page about it, but it has been rejected. Can somebody tell me why or try to improve the page, so it can be accepted? The draft page is here: Draft: Verdis

Thanks!

-Bulbasaur777Eevee Bulbasaur777Eevee (talk) 13:33, 2 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

The original draft was largely copied from the website so I had to rev/del about 2/3rds of it. I also advised the editor about WP:NORG and of course WP:VERIFY. Doug Weller talk 20:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Hello, I added the Grand Republic of Cycoldia, from MicroWiki, could anyone help me with the speedy deletion claim immediately on it, and with revising it to be effective for Wikipedia, thank you! --Real DarkLuke2005 (talk) 16:54, 19 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

• • Hey Real DarkLuke2005 I recommend putting it in your sandbox and we can edit it there before putting it live.--BestOnLifeform (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I’m blocked for life from it and I was fully taken down when I put I in my sandbox. I already announced I probably wouldn’t edit anymore here again on my talk page. - The User Talking about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.54.13.182 (talk) 02:48, 12 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello there, just a little word about the WikiProject Micronations in "fr.wikipedia". Yes, just one word : Alone !

Weeks that I'm looking for place to shell a project in "fr", but not even a reaction.

So, even is I'm "working" in french articles, I'll keep an eye here, and feel free to see my french articles. I reviewed everything, almost, and inluded lots of new sources and updates. Cheers --Hyméros (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

hi all, you may be interested in the above afd...ps. i have added your wikiproject to the article talkpage. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Please see Talk:List_of_micronations#Removing_micronations_that_have_no_article. Sorry, I hadn't been aware that this project exists until just now, or else I would have posted the list in this project. I would do so now, but I don't see a section where it would fit. ◅ Sebastian 06:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

There is a discussion on Talk:Principality of Seborga concerning a proposal to delete the entire Principality of Seborga article. An editor feels that this particular micronation is a "hoax" and that the article should be deleted and redirected to Seborga#Principality_of_Seborga. If anyone would like to offer constructive views on how this article should be properly handled, do please add your views. Cnbrb (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Hello! Just an idea, but I think that there should be a News Section like what is included on the MicroWiki website. It could possible include micronational news and updates for the WikiProject!

-- A MicroWikipedian Wikipedian (talk) 17:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

I've created a stub for the Principality of Islandia, a new micronation. If anybody wants to take a look and make corrections, please do. It would be really nice if a flagicon could be created. Abductive (reasoning) 23:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

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I have made a requested move for Republic of Artsakh to be move to Artsakh, your participation would be appreciated. The discussion is available at Talk:Republic of Artsakh/Archive 3#Requested move 7 May 2022. DownTownRich (talk) 13:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)Reply

This WikiProject is not in any way related to Artsakh. MicroSupporter (talk) 17:37, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

• At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Confederation of Autia an article about Autia has been nominated for deletion.
• At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 25#Princedom of Ongal, redirects relating to the micronations Ongal, Verdis and Enclava have been nominated for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

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I'm considering creating Wikipedia pages of micronational leaders. (like Travis McHenry, Nina Menegatto).

The leaders I have in mind are ones that have articles about their micronations. For example

• Carolyn I (Ladonia)
• Kevin Baugh? (was moved to a redirect but could be considered notable enough per consensus) (Molossia)
• Jonathan Austen (Austenasia) (was moved into redirect but could be considered notable. re-evaluate?)
• Daniel Jackson (Verdis)
• Bartolomé Angel Grillo (Parva Domus)

MicroSupporter (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

@MicroSupporter: For Baugh and Austen, if there are no new sources available to deem them more notable than before I do not think their articles should be recreated, especially Austen which was voted upon by a consensus. But it would be great if you could create articles on other micronationalists, like Grillo. Your userpage says you speak French—the French Wikipedia has a few articles on micronationalists who do not have articles on this wiki but their micronations do; perhaps you could aid this WikiProject by translating them into English? Thanks for your interest in this sadly seldom active WikiProject. 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 21:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

A user nominated Verdis for deletion. Please help defend case to keep as it has plenty of notable secondary sources. MicroSupporter (talk) 20:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

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A user has nominated Liberland for deletion. MicroSupporter (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

MicroSupporter, weren't you just warned about canvassing? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

How does this violate WP:CANVAS? It says 'The talk page or noticeboard of one or more WikiProjects or other Wikipedia collaborations which may have interest in the topic under discussion.' is an appropriate notification. MicroSupporter (talk) 14:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

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would be a template for people who are related to micronations or run them would kinda be like Template:Micronations. Sebbog13 (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I think in the past year most articles on micronationalists have been removed and replaced with a direct link to the article of the micronation itself. Delle89 (talk) 14:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Lundy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

See the discussion at the community RfC about the use of the infobox template 'country'. The new infobox reduces the quality of the articles (they even exclude national symbols). The discussion about template 'country versus micronation' is in my opinion non-sense. I find it really weird to explecitly mention the word "Unrecognized" before micronation. It is clear to everyone that micronations are not recognized (as stated in almost all articles). The old template does not cause confusion and contains factual information. Delle89 (talk) 13:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Worse, the "new infoboxes" are just direct transclusions of {{Infobox}}, which should not be done as it is completely unclear what parameters should be used and how. Instead, this project should take the consensus from the RfC and craft a proper {{Infobox micronation}}. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply