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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 00:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable 30-year-old minor league baseball pitcher with a 32-47 record and a 4.56 ERA. It is highly unlikely he is ever going to reach the major leagues , or affiliated professional baseball again, for that matter. Alex (talk) 19:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep The second guideline of the baseball notability guidelines: "Have appeared in at least one game in ... any other top-level national league." Having played in the top professional leagues of both Mexico and Venezuela, I feel he qualifies. Kinston eagle (talk) 01:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, per Kinston eagle. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 14:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Although I will note that I do not believe the Mexican League qualifies as a top level league since its absorption into the MiLB hierarchy, the LVBP certainly does, so Thorpe's notable. -Dewelar (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a strange case. Mexican League teams don't have any formal affiliation with individual MLB clubs, and that degree of autonomy is IMO enough to set it apart as an independent league for the purposes of the intent of the "top-level foreign league" classification. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 21:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed that it's a bit nebulous. The Mexican League is pretty much the only league that has this kind of relationship with MLB/MiLB (the closest might be something like the DSL, or the various Latin American winter leagues). I'm open to arguments that La Liga counts, but my gut instinct says no. -Dewelar (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- For whatever it's worth, I wrote the initial draft of that clause in WP:WPBB/N, and I definitely considered the Mexican League (just to be clear, we're talking about the LMB here) to be qualifying at that time. Its existence as a notable national league precedes its involvement in any capacity with MLB by about 40 years. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I do not disagree that the LMB would have qualified before its association with MLB. However, once it became associated with MLB, its status was diminished to that of a minor league, and IMO anyone who played in it from that point forward would no longer have presumed notability conferred upon them. -Dewelar (talk) 20:18, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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