Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fay Carpenter Swain

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The result was redirect‎ to List of female United States presidential and vice presidential candidates. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fay Carpenter Swain

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Doesn't seem to have attracted widespread coverage to establish notability beyond the single event of entering in the 1964 Democratic presidential primaries. Suggest redirection to List of female United States presidential and vice presidential candidates. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and United States of America. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested: I can only find a trivial amount of coverage [1] and [2]. Oaktree b (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Illinois and Ohio. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - she has gone by multiple names over the years, and I have added citations that mention various pairs of names (e.g., "Princess St. Swanee Running Water" also known as "Fay(e) Carpenter Swain). I suspect there is more coverage, but in the interim I have added in some mentions of note in the news. DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also known as Faye T. Carpenter, and I saw numerous hits for her referred to as Fifi Carpenter Swain, and Fifi Swain - mostly in "pre-internet" sources such as Newspapers.com and NewspaperArchive. Netherzone (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also known as "Fifi Taft Rockefeller" per the The Cincinnati Post obituary shown below in the Refs. While she clearly does not meet WP:NPOL, I'm beginning to think, with so many short pieces on her in multiple, independent reliable sources (newspapers and books), plus the longer obits and the longer coverage in the Laura Pulfer book, she may actually meet WP:BASIC, even if [[WP:GNG}} is not met. Netherzone (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a comment that I am intrigued and open to striking my nomination depending on what the extent of sourcing ends up being. Am currently in and out of functioning post surgery however, so can’t look into it myself atm. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep while she has never been elected to office, her campaigns have generated news coverage over multiple years and in multiple states in the United States. Some of the later pieces in Ohio have more detailed descriptions of her (see here^[1] and here^[2]), and she has appeared in books about Indiana^[3] and the US presidency.^[4] I will note that she used multiple names over the years which makes it a challenge to sort out when she used which name, but the news articles in the article do clearly link the names. DaffodilOcean (talk) 02:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is also covered in books on people in the Ohio area, with extended coverage here^[5] and here.^[6] DaffodilOcean (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of female United States presidential and vice presidential candidates per WP:ATD. Clearly fails WP:NPOL. If better sources are ever found this can always be restored and improved upon, but at present there isn't enough here to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV has been met.4meter4 (talk) 18:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of female United States presidential and vice presidential candidates per WP:ATD. The book reference is a start, but even if a subject does meet WP:N, there is no guarantee that the "topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page" --Enos733 (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She has entire chapters in two books (linked above), and possibly a third book (No Shoes, No Shirt, No Trial by Deidra Hair, though I cannot access that one). I think of that as more than a start. When this is combined with all the news stories mentioning her over the years, this meets WP:BASIC as she is more than a prior candidate for public office. DaffodilOcean (talk) 11:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Fifi Taft Rockefeller, proud of role as 'town character'". The Cincinnati Post. 1997-08-04. pp. 7, 33. Retrieved 2024-04-03.
^ Pulfer, Laura (1997-08-05). "Fifi, beloved street person, dead at 81". The Cincinnati Enquirer. p. 11. Retrieved 2024-04-03.
^ Carmony, Donald F. (Donald Francis) (1966). Indiana: a self-appraisal. Internet Archive. Bloomington, Indiana University Press. p. 54.
^ Cash, Kevin (1975). Who the hell is William Loeb?. Internet Archive. Manchester, N.H. ; Amoskeag Press. p. 256.
^ Wecker, David (2014). Square pegs : stories about everything and nothing. Internet Archive. [Place of publication not identified] : BrandFlick. pp. 233–236. ISBN 978-0-615-94752-5.
^ Pulfer, Laura (1998). I beg to differ : politically incorrect, proudly Midwestern, potentially funny. Internet Archive. Wilmington, Ohio : Orange Frazer Press. pp. 7–8. ISBN 978-1-882203-24-6.

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[1] "Fifi Taft Rockefeller, proud of role as 'town character'". The Cincinnati Post. 1997-08-04. pp. 7, 33. Retrieved 2024-04-03.

[:1-2] Pulfer, Laura (1997-08-05). "Fifi, beloved street person, dead at 81". The Cincinnati Enquirer. p. 11. Retrieved 2024-04-03.

[3] Carmony, Donald F. (Donald Francis) (1966). Indiana: a self-appraisal. Internet Archive. Bloomington, Indiana University Press. p. 54.

[4] Cash, Kevin (1975). Who the hell is William Loeb?. Internet Archive. Manchester, N.H. ; Amoskeag Press. p. 256.

[5] Wecker, David (2014). Square pegs : stories about everything and nothing. Internet Archive. [Place of publication not identified] : BrandFlick. pp. 233–236. ISBN 978-0-615-94752-5.

[6] Pulfer, Laura (1998). I beg to differ : politically incorrect, proudly Midwestern, potentially funny. Internet Archive. Wilmington, Ohio : Orange Frazer Press. pp. 7–8. ISBN 978-1-882203-24-6.

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