Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chloé (Belgian singer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 07:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Stub article for three years with no clear or established notability, all references are now dead links Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 02:09, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the onus is on the nominator to make some effort to search in Flemish sources. Yes sources suffer for link rot, that would be the case on just about every article in Wikipedia, which is why we try to hardwire them, not just delete articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I'm not normally one to jump up and shout "delete" on Eurovision related articles. However, as this singer did not get to represent Belgium at either Junior Eurovision 2008 or Eurovision 2011, then there is nowhere else to really merge it into. And no offence to In ictu oculi, but the onus is not on the nominator at all. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, so really the entire Wikipedia community, including yourself, is at onus to improve the articles, as long as all the general notability guidelines are met. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 16:42, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - (article creator) the article needs improvements. But that is no reason for deletion. Clearly notable per Eurovision performances and media attention. Per WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why haven't you improved it? --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Scalhotrod: Have you heard of life beyond the Wikipedia world? Perhaps that why the improvements have taken so long to be done. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 08:45, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Wesley Mouse:, gosh, I'll be the first to admit that real life takes priority over WP, but in three years you'd think if the Notability was there someone would have taken it beyond stub status. I like the Eurovision contest as much as anyone, but is this person Notable just because of that? I don't know, so I'm asking. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 15:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Those sources need to be replaced with archived versions, Also found these [1][2][3][4][5][6] (I can't read Belgian French/German/Dutch so I'm not sure if these are even related .....). –Davey2010^Talk 22:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - If we're having such a hard time finding any English language sources to cite about this subject, doesn't that make it hard to defend its inclusion in the English language Wiki? Does this person have articles in the French, Deutsch, or Nederlands Wikis?--Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:32, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What French, Deutcsch or other Wikipedias includes is not relevant to English Wikipedia. Therefor not a reason for deletion or otherwise.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's quite a salient point. If the Wikis for her native language (whichever it is) do not find her notable enough to include, then why is it on the English WP when we can't find any English language sources to support it? Why didn't you address this when you created the article? --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• delete junior Eurovision isn't good enough for notability and most of the coverage confirms her participation. she doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. Scalhotrod makes the good point of no article for her in the languages of Belgium. English coverage is sorely lacking which makes the case for an English language article weak. LibStar (talk) 10:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Doesn't appear to have actual notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep per Davey2010. WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Someone needs to add the new sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paperpencils (talk • contribs) 11:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC) Remove vote by indef blocked User[reply]

• Keep as per WP:BASIC: enough coverage by reliable sources to merit an article. Esquivalience ^t 00:38, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - What sources? We can't find any in English and there's no consensus if the non-English ones are enough to establish Notability. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes exactly, no consensus. So no delete, and more time to find additional sources. This article subject has notability. And those !voting Delete has given no rationale beyond "IDONTLIKEIT". --BabbaQ (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Dead links and none in English - my rationale
• singer did not get to represent Belgium at either Junior Eurovision 2008 or Eurovision 2011 - Wesley Mouse's rationale
• she doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO - LibStar's rationale
• only Joseph2302 was non-specific in their reasoning.

How is this "IDONTLIKEIT"? By the way, as the article creator, you have yet to make a single edit to the article since the AfD started. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 00:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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