Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All Join In

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There was a strong consensus after the deletion review and it's final relist that the sources provided, particularly late in the debate, unambiguously demonstrate notability. There was a valid copyright concern about previous versions of the article's prose being a copy-paste from the artist's website - I have rev-deleted all of the previous versions that include this text. The current version of the article does not have this problem, and is considered suitable for inclusion by the consensus here. ~ mazca ^talk 20:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Has been in CAT:NN for over ten years, so it's time for this to get a hearing. Currently, it's unsourced, which doesn't help anything. The AllMusic page is just a track listing [1] This piece is a press release. There's a good deal of coverage in blogs and user-generated sites, but those do not even approximate reliability. This is reasonable coverage in a reliable source. This news piece only gives two or three sentences to this particular album, and is primarily about Loggins himself. It's possible there's another decent piece or two out there, since I found one, so I'm taking this to AFD, rather than boldly redirecting. Hog Farm _Bacon 19:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Bacon 19:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Bacon 19:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The links indicated above (except AllMusic) seem reliable. I also found some reliable sources which talk about the album, whether fully or briefly: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] and [9]. With these, the article is good enough to pass WP:NALBUM. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Kenny_Loggins_discography#Studio_albums per WP:CHEAP. I am not convinced by Superastig's sources—they look like passing mentions to me. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 02:49, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: While the album is just a passing mention in the Billboard and Las Vegas Sun articles, majority of AleatoryPonderings's claim is baseless since the other sources I provided above are not passing mentions.

The following articles briefly discuss the album:

The Dispatch Argus article states:

He contributed a song for "The Tigger Movie" (2000), and the 61-year-old's latest CD is an up-tempo collection of family-friendly songs, "All Join In," which features vocals from all five of his kids, ranging from age 11 to 28.

"All Join In" includes takes on classics such as the Beatles' "All Together Now" and "Two Of Us"(the latter beinghisfirst studio recording in decades with Jim Messina),Randy Newman's "You"ve Got a Friend In Me,"the 1950s-era "Come Go With Me,"and Traffic"s "You Can All JoinIn."

The Express Times article states:

Loggins released his second children's album, "All Join In," in 2010. But he says the songs on "All Join In" appeal to a broad range of listeners.

The Santa Barbara Independent article is an interview with Kenny Loggins, stating:

Most recently, Loggins refocused his attention on the kids, penning and releasing All Join In, an up-tempo follow-up of sorts to 1994’s lullaby record, Return to Pooh Corner.

The album is among the highlights in this Globe Gazette article, stating:

Loggins talked about his newest venture — a family album titled, “All Join In” — before he strode the stage with Jim Messina at North Iowa Area Community College on Sunday. The new album is expected to be released around the holidays.
“I think it’s the most emotionally rewarding album I’ve ever made,” he said.
The album, he added, is an upbeat family-friendly collection of music that runs from Randy Newman’s “You’ve Got a Friend in Me,” and Donovan’s 1965 hit,“First There is a Mountain,” to the rare studio teaming of Loggins and Messina with the track, “Two of Us.” The pair also sang the number during the concert Sunday.
Every one of the numbers includes singing by his children, although he admitted that two of them — Cody and Lukas — participate more than sing.

The Musings From Me and Connected 2 Christ articles are reviews about the album.

Therefore, aside from the first 2 I mentioned, none of the sources I discussed above are passing mentions since they discuss the album, whether briefly, partially and fully. My keep stands. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 07:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as copyright violation from [10]. The main prose text of this article is word-for-word identical to what appears on Loggins' own copyrighted website. After deletion, the article can be re-created. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Metropolitan90, that can easily be taken care of since the content isn't that big. One can trim down the first paragraph and modify the track listing. After all, deletion is WP:NOTCLEANUP. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No effective sourcing. scope_creep^Talk 16:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and redirect to Kenny Loggins, because it seems to me that he's clearly notable, but the album is borderline. Delete because of the copyvio Metropolitan mentions. Coverage that's just a sentence mentioning the album is not enough to establish notability, imv. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I recently cleaned up the article, simplified the first paragraph and tabulated the songlist. That should probably remove the copyright violation. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable album. Press release on BusinessWire. Lancasteronline. Wm335td (talk) 16:14, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I don't consider a press release and an article in a local paper that barely mentions the album enough from the 'additional sources' presented. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I know you're trying to close this, but I have some late-breaking newspaper articles: "Kenny Loggins cuts footloose, peddles music on QVC", "Kenny Loggins lightens up for latest album" and "Kenny Loggins treasures his family music", which are all entirely about this album. Newspapers.com can be very useful when looking for sources. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Kenny Loggins#Discography KidAd talk 23:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• The article itself should clearly be kept, because Toughpigs' sources conclusively prove that this album is notable. The opinions to the contrary, above, are decisively refuted and should clearly receive zero weight. Please would the closer revdel the copyright-violating revisions identified above.—S Marshall T/C 13:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per sources uncovered, especially by Toughpigs. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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