Talk:Rosalind Franklin (rover)

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

ExoMars (rover) → Rosalind Franklin (rover) – The official name of the rover. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 11:08, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Support, if accurate (not seeing a name change at the ESA or NASA websites per below), and an official rename would be a nice gesture on the part of all involved. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:52, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Randy Kryn: Good news; we now have an official press release from ESA that explicitly names the rover as Rosalind Franklin, so I'd now can say with confidence that it is indeed accurate! Its informal names as written in the press release are "Rosalind" and "Rosalind the rover". – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 11:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Nice, thanks. Looks to be the second Mars lander/rover named after a person, after the failed Schiaparelli EDM lander (and support per the Schiaparelli lander). With an official announcement this could possible be a noncontroversial move. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Oppose – Too soon to ascertain whether this WP:OFFICIALNAME will become the WP:COMMONNAME. Let's review sources after a couple months. No clarity whether it will end up as Rosalind Franklin or just Rosalind. — JFG ^talk 12:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@JFG: It is officially Rosalind Franklin. It's difficult to argue that there is a clear common name among "ExoMars" (current name of the article), "ExoMars rover", "ExoMars 2020 rover", and "ESA Mars rover", and in the absence of a clear common name, the official name should do. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 13:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

It is indeed unclear what the common name currently is. More reason to wait and look at how sources react to the name change. That's what we usually do per WP:NAMECHANGES. — JFG ^talk 14:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Support – per supporting comments above, and per BBC News report^[1] - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Comment – FWIW - most noted REDIRECTS (and more) have been created as follows (with PageView Numbers, as of 8 February 2019, in descending order) (ie, "ExoMars (rover)"/current target-1895 + "ExoMars rover"-1086 + "ExoMars Rover"-193 + "Rosalind Franklin (rover)"-18 + "Rosalind Franklin the rover"-4 + "Rosalind Franklin rover"-3 + "Rosalind (rover)"-2 + "Rosalind the rover"-2 + "Rosalind rover"-2 + "Franklin the rover"-2 + "Franklin (rover)"-1 + "Franklin rover"-1) - PageView Numbers are expected to change with time of course - CLICK HERE for the Very Latest PageView Numbers (which may suggest the Article Name mostly used by viewers at the moment) - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Comment - FWIW - Notable New Names - as/of 12n/et/usa, 12 February 2019 (in decreasing order)

WIKIPEDIA = "PAGEVIEWS"

"Rosalind Franklin (rover)"-47 + "Rosalind Franklin rover"-34 + "Franklin (rover)"-7 + "Rosalind the rover"-5 + "Rosalind Franklin the rover"-5 + "Franklin the rover"-2 + "Franklin rover"-2 + "Rosalind (rover)"-2 + "Rosalind rover"-2

GOOGLE SEARCH - "RESULTS"

"Franklin the rover"-10300 + "Franklin rover"-5190 + "Franklin (rover)"-5180 + "Rosalind Franklin (rover)"-3720 + "Rosalind Franklin rover"-3710 + "Rosalind Franklin the rover"-2210 + "Rosalind the rover"-1970 + "Rosalind (rover)"-173 + "Rosalind rover"-173

Hope this helps in some way - iac - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Support - Their toy. Their name. ExoMars is the project, the spacecraft have their own names. Guaranteed it will become the common name for the rover. Keep the redirects. Non-controversial move IMO. Rowan Forest (talk) 14:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Comment - The Schiaparelli EDM lander is known as Schiaparelli, not Giovanni Schiaparelli; similarly Galileo spacecraft is not known as the Galileo Galilei spacecraft; and the probe BepiColombo was not named Giuseppe 'Bepi' Colombo. What I am saying is that although the rover is also named after a person, Rosaling Franklin, it is already being applied simply as "Franklin rover" by the British BBC News. I would name the article Franklin (rover). Leaning now towards the full name, as there are other historical Franklins. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

But Schiaparelli wasn't officially named 'Giovanni Schiaparelli' in the first place, it was always simply Schiaparelli [1]. Same with Galileo and BepiColombo, these have always been their official names. The official name of this vehicle is 'Rosalind Franklin', so in my opinion that's not a compelling argument. However I suspect your wider point may end up being correct, it's quite possible it will end up being most commonly referred to as Franklin due to the tendency in spaceflight to simplify the names of the people honoured. Usually that is done in the official naming process, as above, but will likely happen due to media reporting in this case. I guess my preference would be to wait for further secondary sources that cover more than the official name change. Most likely it'll end up at Franklin (rover). ChiZeroOne (talk) 18:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Support per nom. Gap9551 (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
• Support per non, I note in the ESA news release they also call it "Rosalind" rather than "Franklin" and also "Rosalind the rover" (which is the sort of alliteration that I can see British newspapers going with). GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC) to which i'll add that the British Space Agency was using hashtag #RosalindTheRover GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:56, 8 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

There are several famous Franklins, including the British explorer John Franklin; It would be nice if the short name that sticks in the media is "Rosalind rover", as it is specific to her. Rowan Forest (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

So we've got people calling this device Rosalind Franklin, Franklin, Rosalind, or Rosalind the Rover. This again is an argument that we are acting WP:TOOSOON. Let's give sources some time to settle on a name, whether long or short. — JFG ^talk 06:10, 9 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Support. I'm a firm believer in using proper names in these situations, and it is fully apparent that Rosalind Franklin is this rover's proper name. — Huntster (t @ c) 06:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
• Support, per WP:NATURALDIS. There's currently the ExoMars TGO, the 2016 mission, the 2020 mission, the entire programme, and this rover. One would have to be in this field (or perhaps a space aficionado) to tell apart all of these. Hms1103 (talk) 15:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Your last three links all redirect to ExoMars or sections thereof, so I'm not sure the natural disambiguation argument applies fully. – PointyOintment ❬‽ · ✍❭ 08:13, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
• Comment I've been to this article in the past (before the name was announced), but today I got here by typing in "Rosalind F" which was autocompleted to "Rosalind Franklin (rover)". I expected it would have been moved already and I would not have been redirected to the old title. But I see good arguments on both sides at the moment. – PointyOintment ❬‽ · ✍❭ 08:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

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