Talk:Outside the Wall (song)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Gilmour's voice has suddenly got very high hasn't it?! NH 79.121.143.143 (talk) 21:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

The backing vocals on the studio version seem inhumanly high to me, as if recorded at a lower tape speed. --63.25.31.85 (talk) 20:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Not for the choir boys who are actually singing!NH78.147.110.3 (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hi. The added musical sequence in the film version of "Outside the Wall" comes from the second half of "Southampton Dock" (the section that's in 3/4 time, which would start with "But still the dark stain spreads between their shoulder blades" on TFC). Somebody else had written it was from the title song "The Final Cut". --63.25.31.85 (talk) 20:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hi, that was me before I registered. I'm so glad nobody gave me a hard time about that, or took it out for lack of a reference. I will cite the sheet-music books now.

However, I'm also going to add to the article that the film version is in the key of E flat major, as opposed to C ("Outside the Wall") or F ("Southampton Dock"), and I don't have a source for that at the moment. Just me ears. And that might be considered original research (Is it "research" if it just comes to you effortlessly? To me it's no more than telling, say, turquoise from beige. But I did double-check just now.) Hopefully, everyone will just let the fact sit there, harming no one, in the hopes that a source will eventually emerge. Perhaps in another four years. . . .

--Ben Culture (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Done. Was it too much of a pun when I said "'Southampton Dock' would be finalized in F major"?

I actually did not plan that! I tried "recorded", and then "released", and neither seemed sufficient.

It looks like it's not necessary to the article or the paragraph. I almost redrafted the paragraph to sorta "embed" the fact in mid-paragraph, but I left it dangling, so it could be chopped off if deemed necessary. I left it in because I just felt that as long as we're talking about transposing the key of this song, I should explain what happened to the "new" sequence that became the other song.

--Ben Culture (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I believe that all articles about individual songs should include, where applicable, the song's key and its time signature. No problem, if it weren't for that inconvienient thing about citing sources. My sources disagree.

See, the sheet-music book for The Wall notates "Outside the Wall" in 6/8 time, but the book for The Final Cut notates "Southampton Dock" in 3/4.

Yes, of course, they go together seamlessly, in the film version. There's no difference. It's really kind of arbitrary, whether you decide one beat is an eighth note (and count 6/8), or a quarter note (and count 3/4). It's like they're saying "Southampton Dock" is roughly twice as fast as "Outside the Wall".

(There is no transcription specifically of the film version. However, I did once see a transcription of "When The Tigers Broke Free".)

Sigh . . . I hate sheet-music books. Not the guitar magazines, those transcriptionists are great, but these "Piano/Voice/Guitar Chords" books? Suh-HUUUCK! For example, they notated most of of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" in 3/4, and I'm pretty sure that's inappropriate, at best. Phil Rose called it 6/4, and I think a guitar magazine called it 12/8. I don't know.

I don't want to put the time signature into the article until I see some other opinions, get some kinda consensus going. Otherwise I'm just arbitrarily saying "THIS book is WRONG, and THAT book is RIGHT."

--Ben Culture (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

What I am talking about is the film version. What the respective section says is nothing about what happens when the song has it's time in the movie. Feel free to comment below.98.246.84.7 (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)Reply