Talk:List of countries and dependencies by population

Please update, India has a higher population than China

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/undesa_pd_2023_policy-brief-153.pdf 180.150.36.216 (talk) 04:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

I agree it needs an update as it doesn't match India's wiki page of 1,428 billion and China at number 2 with it's 1,409 billion. CHCBOY (talk) 19:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

See List of countries by population (United Nations), which is a list based purely on estimates from the United Nations.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 17:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I agree, this article is horribly outdated and inaccurate. The cartogram is from 2018 and a lot has happened since then. India, for example, surpassed China back in mid-2023. Titus III (talk) 03:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Germany's official population date is wrong, because it should be March 31 in particular. 181.197.204.240 (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

It would be helpful to see the European Union total population between China and the United States. Leave it unranked, as the EU is not a country, formatted in the list like the world total population and territories/dependencies. January 2024 EU total population estimate: 449.2 million https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Population_and_population_change_statistics#:~:text=Looking%20at%20the%20bigger%20picture,per%20year%20during%20the%201960s. ResearchbyAlec (talk) 19:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's been discussed a number of times [1]

Usually the reason for not including it is because there's quite a few international organizations, none of which are countries. Wizmut (talk) 03:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Would there be any problem with adding the Knights of Malta to the table? Their actual physical sovereign territory consists of only a handful of offices but apparently they have a number of Knights who hold only citizenship of the Order and they do issue passports recognized for world travel. The official number of Knights is 13,500. Pascalulu88 (talk) 13:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Usually just the entries in the ISO 3166-1 and partially recognized states are in the list. Wizmut (talk) 14:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

OK, I checked and, as of 2017, the code assigned to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta is XOM. So does that mean I can add them to the table? Their passports are recognized by 113 countries. Pascalulu88 (talk) 19:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

That code isn't from the ISO and it's not a state, so I would say not. Wizmut (talk) 21:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's a sovereignty but not a state? It issues passports recognized by states but it's not itself a state? I think that, as a unique sovereign entity, it is more interesting to include it in the list than to exclude it. Uniqueness is not a disparagement. Pascalulu88 (talk) 19:59, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Exclusion is not a disparagement. Lists are not "list of interesting things", they have specific criteria. See WP:LISTCRITERIA. Wizmut (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

No, but making a list of sovereign entities more interesting may be seen as a good thing by curious users of our encyclopedia. If we were compiling the list before 1929, the Vatican would have been in an analogous position to the Knights of Malta. Pascalulu88 (talk) 23:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Update population figure for Central African Republic to 6'470'307 as per CAR national statistics institute https://www.icasees.org/index.php/actualites/population-de-la-republique-centrafricaine-en-2021-et-2024" 80.28.228.163 (talk) 13:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Note:Should be implemented but the table is too large for me to edit. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done Wizmut (talk) 01:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Central African Republic seems to (still) be misplaced in the table. StjefNielsen (talk) 13:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Fixed Wizmut (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

How come Sark is not listed? See its constitutional status: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/628f88c874f4f647bd6b4617/t/646ddf119771881e3b034066/1684922130048/Constitutional+status+of+Sark-2018+by+Dr+Carolie+Morris.pdf a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 20:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sark is part of the Bailiwick of Guernsey, a different level of jurisdiction than the island of Guernsey. The data entry on this list refers to the entire Bailiwick; I have change the wikilink to reflect this. Wizmut (talk) 20:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks @Wizmut but please read the source I linked:

• 9. Sark’s position with the Bailiwick of Guernsey is an administrative mechanism rather than an indication of legal status. Sark is a Crown Dependency in its own right, not a part of or dependency of Guernsey.
• 10. Furthermore, at no point in its history has Sark been subject to the rule of Guernsey or supported financially by Guernsey. Sark does share in the resources of Guernsey to some extent. For example, appeals from Sark’s Court are to the Guernsey Royal Court but this is clearly for capacity reasons, and not uncommon in small jurisdictions, as the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court (serving six independent states and three British Overseas Territories) or the locating and staffing of the Pitcairn Court of Appeals in New Zealand demonstrates.
• 12. At international law, Sark has been recognised as a self-governing entity responsible for its own governance and development.

a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 20:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

There are many self-governing entities that are nonetheless grouped into a larger entity by the ISO 3166-1. See List of autonomous areas by country.

The ISO standard has often been used to settle questions that have two right answers, as is often the case in international relations. Wizmut (talk) 21:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Wizmut Yes, Sark has the CQ ISO code. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's been reserved but CQ is not in use at this time. Wizmut (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Dependencies" is loosely used here as 'things often considered countries but aren't sovereign states'. The use of "Dependencies" to refer to linked islands is different (see also Dependencies of Guadeloupe). CMD (talk) 02:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Chipmunkdavis Yes, Sark is not a dependency of Guernsey. By the way the ISO for Guernsey and Jersey was also only reserved before and yet a

I assume they were still listed here. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 06:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We also list South Ossetia and Abkhazia that don't have an ISO code (and probably others, I didn't check the whole list). So what are the criterion to be listed? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 06:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry it's said "with inclusion within the list being primarily based on the ISO standard ISO 3166-1. For instance, the United Kingdom is considered a single entity, while the constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands are considered separately. In addition, this list includes certain states with limited recognition not found in ISO 3166-1" => I still think Sark should make it to the list. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 06:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are states with limited recognition. Sark is not recognized as a sovereign state at all. Wizmut (talk) 15:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

According to Worldometer, who uses data from UN there is 8.177 B people.

Please can you update : https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Not serious for Wikipedia to forget 50 M people Alex Si1000 (talk) 20:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Must be really important because it concern the world population and add 50 million more people on " the world population" Alex Si1000 (talk) 20:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We need to use reliable sources (see WP:RS). Swapping out for an unreliable source like 'theworldcounts.com' is not an improvement. MrOllie (talk) 13:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes but Worldometers is ? Alex Si1000 (talk) 20:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

See the list of perennial sources. Worldometers is self-published; the UN is a better source. Wizmut (talk) 21:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Saolqui2 (talk) 02:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Chinas full name is the people republic of china Change this into its full name please

  Not done: unnecessarily wordy. "China" is well known enough for people not to mistake it as another nation Cannolis (talk) 03:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would like to update the population of countries, as this data is outdated. GeographySpaceWiki (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. CMD (talk) 15:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Argentinian population for mid-2024 is slightly mistaken, because it should be 47,067,641 inhabitants according to its official source, but unfortunately I can't edit this article in particular. 181.197.204.240 (talk) 18:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

How come South Georgia and The South Sandwich Islands isn't added?

Also, I don't know if this is just a misconception for one, but I see some articles claiming that South Georgia and The South Sandwich Islands has a population of 30 people, with other estimates over 1000. Newaccount33333 (talk) 16:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Much like Antarctica, it has no permanent population. Wizmut (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)Reply