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Naming Redux
editHi Guliolopez, sorry to go back over this, but am getting it ready for a WP:GAN. Paul Tempan is the academic in question (Queens University), and he wrote the “Irish Mountain Placenames Database” (one referenced). He has also written specific papers on Carrauntoohil’s name [1], which I eill use. Another major figure in Irish placenames, Mícheál B. Ó Mainnín, has also written on the correct spelling (he was Paul’s boss in QUB). The OSI is not only using Carrauntoohil on all maps, but unlike previously, you no longer get any results if you search for Carrauntoohill (ie two l’a) on their site. Am very busy in RL, but will come back back in a few days with a better suggested wording (point taken re use of term misspelling) for this paragraph, and more references. Thanks for you patience. Britishfinance (talk) 19:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sure Britishfinance. If there are more sources available, to support the use of terms like "correct" or "technically correct" or similar, then that's cool. As noted, I don't think that the source referenced supports it (on its own). Together with other sources, it certainly supports terms like "common" and "official". Per your note, it was actually specifically because of the GA nom that I made the change. (To ensure that nobody could claim that GA criteria 2 isn't met :) ) Hope all OK IRL. Strange times. Guliolopez (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Guliolopez, getting back to this. I wasn't able to dig up O' Mainnín's paper on placenames, but, having looked at a few more sources, this slightly amended wording that might work a little better in terms of tightening up that "Carrauntoohil" is the most common official name, however "Carrauntoohill" has been used in the past, and there are other spellings as well. I would propose something like this:
Carrauntoohil is the most common and official spelling of the name, being the only version in use by Ordnance Survey Ireland,[1][2] the Placenames Database of Ireland (Logainm),[3] and by Irish academic Paul Tempan, compiler of the Irish Hill and Mountain Names database.[4] Carrauntoohill has also been used in the past, for example by notable Irish historian Patrick Weston Joyce.[5][6] Other less common spelling variations have included Carrantoohil, Carrantouhil, Carrauntouhil and Carrantuohill; all of which are an anglicisations of the Irish placename.
What do you think? Britishfinance (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- ^ "Carrauntoohil". Ordnance Survey Ireland. Retrieved 6 April 2020.
- ^ Ordnance Survey Ireland (2001). Kerry (Discovery Series). ISBN 978-1908852328. Retrieved 6 April 2020.
- ^ "Carrauntoohil". Placenames Database of Ireland. Retrieved 2010-01-28.
- ^ Paul Tempan (February 2012). "Irish Hill and Mountain Names" (PDF). MountainViews.ie.
- ^ "Carrauntoohill". Library of Ireland. Retrieved 6 April 2020.
- ^ Patrick Weston Joyce (1870). The Origin and History of Irish Names of Places. p. 6. ISBN 978-1113859303.
- Hi. Sounds fine. However I would strike: "
(Logainm)" (don't need it), "bynotable Irishhistorian" (ditto), and "areananglicisations of" (stray). Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)- Great, will make that change with those edits. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 20:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. Sounds fine. However I would strike: "