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Q1: Why does this page call the Ahmadiyya community Muslims?
A1: Wikipedia adheres to a neutral point of view. That means that we rely on the information available in reliable, independent, secondary sources, which identify Ahmadiyya as a branch of Islam. The Ahmadiyya community's beliefs, like Islam, are based on the Six articles of Islamic Faith and the Five Pillars of Islam. Like all Muslims, Ahmadis accept the Quran as their holy text, face the Kaaba during prayer, follow the sunnah, and accept the authority of the ahadith. Two arguments against the identification of Ahmadiyya as a branch of Islam are brought up repeatedly. One is that, according to some Muslims, Ahmadiyya has critical differences that put it outside of Islam. This is not relevant here; we stick with what reliable, secondary sources say just as we do when discussing the Nation of Islam, Messianic Jews, Won Buddhism, or any other controversial religion, and we avoid censorship. The second is that the government of Pakistan has declared that Ahmadis are not Muslims. That is not relevant here. The government of Pakistan does not influence Wikipedia policy. Both of these concerns are discussed in the article. Q2: Why was my request or comment removed?
A2: Because of the frequency of meritless and disruptive requests, any further requests to censor the page by removing the terms Muslim or Islam, unless the request complies with all relevant Wikipedia guidelines, including WP:Reliable sources, will be deleted without discussion. Any further requests to insert words such as Kafir or Qadiani, or to rename the article to Qadianism, will also be deleted without discussion. |
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These questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning Ahmadiyya.
- Why does this page call the Ahmadiyya community Muslims?
Wikipedia adheres to a neutral point of view. That means that we rely on the information available in reliable, independent, secondary sources, which identify Ahmadiyya as a branch of Islam. The Ahmadiyya community's beliefs, like Islam, are based on the Six articles of Islamic Faith and the Five Pillars of Islam. Like all Muslims, Ahmadis accept the Quran as their holy text, face the Kaaba during prayer, follow the sunnah, and accept the authority of the ahadith.
Two arguments against the identification of Ahmadiyya as a branch of Islam are brought up repeatedly. One is that, according to some Muslims, Ahmadiyya has critical differences that put it outside of Islam. This is not relevant here; we stick with what reliable, secondary sources say just as we do when discussing the Nation of Islam, Messianic Jews, Won Buddhism, or any other controversial religion, and we avoid censorship. The second is that the government of Pakistan has declared that Ahmadis are not Muslims. That is not relevant here. The government of Pakistan does not influence Wikipedia policy. Both of these concerns are discussed in the article.
- Why was my request or comment removed?
Because of the frequency of meritless and disruptive requests, any further requests to censor the page by removing the terms Muslim or Islam, unless the request complies with all relevant Wikipedia guidelines, including WP:Reliable sources, will be deleted without discussion. Any further requests to insert words such as Kafir or Qadiyani, or to rename the article to Qadianism, will also be deleted without discussion.
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Ahmadiya community are not Muslim
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As ahmadiya community called themselves muslim to hijack islam, while its actually not islam, thats is why they cant be called "Muslim". Hafiz usama qureshi (talk) 11:27, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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Remove all Islam and Muslim the Ahmadiyya community are not Muslim according to Pakistan government 71.241.206.50 (talk) 11:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: Wikipedia is not a mouthpiece or sectarian propaganda arm of the Pakistani government. DMacks (talk) 11:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- What any govt. says doesn't matter. We can't term the Ahmadis non-Muslims just because the Pakistani govt. thinks that, no more than we can call the Bahá'í Faith a heresy as per the Iranian govt.; that's NPOV violation. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 09:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Read my comment above. On what basis are you proving they are muslims ? Just because they say so ? So if I say I am a rabbit it becomes true ? We need some critical mind at least for once. TheOtherPointOfView (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Nobody is calling themselves a rabbit, and you are correct- Wikipedia does not try to police religious groups' identities. PepperBeast (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Then there is a way to fix that if Wikipedia wants to REALLY avoid conflict and not doing propaganda for one side or the other (which is not being objective because objectively Qadianis are not muslims whether you like it or not based on verifiable facts from both creeds that are mutually exclusive, enumerated in the link above):
- "Qadianis" claim to be a new recent branch of Islam but the canonical mainstream branches of Islam reject this claim and consider them as a whole other different religion that is however inspired by and derived from Islam. (Same situation as sikhism)
- Voila. You actually reflect the reality with a sentence like that. Instead of claiming falsehood. Please stop the bs and step up the game. Wikipedia is not your truth for God sake. (I am talking generally to all admins that keep doing propaganda for the past 15 years). TheOtherPointOfView (talk) 23:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- That information is already in the article. PepperBeast (talk) 23:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- “ (Same situation as sikhism)”
- sikhim never consider themselves Muslims 176.29.237.186 (talk) 13:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nobody is calling themselves a rabbit, and you are correct- Wikipedia does not try to police religious groups' identities. PepperBeast (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- Read my comment above. On what basis are you proving they are muslims ? Just because they say so ? So if I say I am a rabbit it becomes true ? We need some critical mind at least for once. TheOtherPointOfView (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- What any govt. says doesn't matter. We can't term the Ahmadis non-Muslims just because the Pakistani govt. thinks that, no more than we can call the Bahá'í Faith a heresy as per the Iranian govt.; that's NPOV violation. ― Ö S M A N (talk · contribs) 09:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2024
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Please add at the end of third paragraph in the introduction. It is noted that Ahmadiyya sect is not considered Muslim according to the constitution of Pakistan, and hundreds of court decisions and parliament resolutions. 97% of Muslims in Pakistan feel hurt when Ahmadiyya are called Muslims. Nabeelan (talk) 03:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: seems undue weight for the introduction, already mentioned in the #Persecution section. Also, just no to adding "97% of Muslims in Pakistan feel hurt when Ahmadiyya are called Muslims." Cannolis (talk) 03:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)