Talk:1986 California Proposition 65

this section is not complete, and very unnecessary. Maybe it could be a separate article, or just removed entirely? Similarly with some of the 'see also' links. I removed a few that pointed to groups looking for settlements. It's almost as if some folks are using this article to advertise or boast. I vote to remove the summary of settlements section. Any thoughts before it happens? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.178.38.128 (talk) 13:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Are labels required on those? 24.118.233.190 (talk) 12:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Not sure... but I have definitely seen the label in use out of state on Amtrak cars. 128.175.67.132 (talk) 00:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

To quote the regulations themselves: "25249.6. Required Warning Before Exposure To Chemicals Known to Cause Cancer Or Reproductive Toxicity. No person in the course of doing business shall knowingly and intentionally expose any individual to a chemical known to the state to cause cancer or reproductive toxicity without first giving clear and reasonable warning to such individual [...]"

Later on there are definitions of "person in the the course of doing business" and "individual" which allow for some exemptions (one example: small businesses with under ten employees are exempt from the regulations), but even there it doesn't say anything along the lines of "Unless you're going to send it to a red state like Texas."

Since the labels are required for a whole laundry list of compounds and with a very few exceptions there are no "permissible" exposure levels, they wind up getting stuck on everything that might at some point pass through California's jurisdiction... like the Amtrak rolling stock mentioned above. The end result is that the labels are so ubiquitous that they're practically meaningless: nothing requires the label to state what the compound is or what the exposure levels are, so it could be anything from "the floor of this area is flooded with 2,2',3,3'-tetrachlorodiphenyldioxin to 3 inches deep" to "somebody barbecued hamburgers here three weeks ago" to "honestly, we don't think there's anything harmful here at all, but better safe than sued."68.105.71.75 (talk) 16:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Overuse should be incorporated into the abuse section. Some places use the warning as a preventive measure "to be safe." I've seen it in restaurants where the staff said "I'm really not sure. It might be because seafood could contain something such as trace amounts of mercury." I recently got a shipment from out of state with a Prop 65 warning. It also said that they are including the warning on all shipments to CA since they cannot be sure if there's anything that would require it. If the warning is ubiquitous and appears whether or not it's needed, it becomes meaningless. Hagrinas (talk) 00:05, 2 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Amtrak? Consider Internet ads and web stores with pictures of the product. No one could make sure that such an ad or point-of-sale placement picture would or would not be visible in California. I've seen an Amazon page where the only picture of the Prop 65 label is at an angle so you can't read it. Is that compliant to the letter of the law or not? 2601:14A:600:6420:758E:987D:6A3C:99FF (talk) 11:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

This warning appears on "firestarters".

"California Proposition 65 Warning The burning of natural firewood, natural gas, manufactured fireplace logs and fire starters can result in the emissions of carbon monoxide, soot and other combustion by products. The Sate of California recognizes that these by-products may cause cancer, birth defects, or reproductive harm."

This particular warning, as written, has been one of things that has made some people frustrated with the whole thing. I place this here for informational purposes only. 75.22.153.225 (talk) 03:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

Why is this particular warning frustrating? If one did not know that byproducts of combustion were hazardous, one might not behave in a sensible way. 128.111.111.23 (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

IMO this example is no worse than the warning that sand causes cancer (yes, the stuff at the beach). Some perfectly natural substances are truly dangerous -- asbestos, for example, is another naturally occurring rock that surprised everyone by causing cancer. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

Maybe this is also relevant: Small businesses with less than 10 employees, governmental agencies, and public water systems are exempt from the warning requirement and discharge prohibition of Proposition 65.
Seems to be a consequence of:
The definition for "person in the course of doing business" in section 25249.11(b) of the Health and Safety Code, which states, “‘Person in the course of doing business’ does not include any person employing fewer than 10 employees in his or her business; any city, county, or district or any department or agency thereof or the state or any department or agency thereof or the federal government or any department or agency thereof; or any entity in its operation of a public water system as defined in Section 116275."
Source: first reference, FAQ DS Belgium (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

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I'm not sure how I would feel about an American editing a dutch wikipedia article about Belgian law, based only on what he read in one of the references, so I left it as a suggestion for someone more knowledgeable on the subject. ;-) DS Belgium (talk) 12:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

The best solution for a business is to become compliant, by learning upfront whether or not their products contain chemicals that match the current Proposition 65 list of 840 chemicals. Users can do this by searching in a Microsoft Excel^[1] chemical list or a website offering the search by chemical name or CAS Number.^[2] Product manufacturers may also learn if a chemical in their products has been removed from the Proposition 65 list, such as Saccharin, removed December 2010.^[3]

This is very clearly pushing the California point of view that a business should just comply and that is a solution. It sounds like it was pulled directly from the website cited, word for word, perhaps paraphrased a tiny bit. Thus, it should be removed.--Metallurgist (talk) 19:59, 14 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

There's a paragraph that reads like it came straight out of a brochure issued by OEHHA. At the very least, that should be rewritten as "According to the OEHHA,..." and given a source. I added POV and citation needed tags to that paragraph only; I was tempted to delete it, but figured I'd start with this. (I also added a link to the current list of materials; I didn't see a current link, and the paragraph that said the list was available to the public did not list its source. That one I was able to Google.) Stian (talk) 17:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

It looks like there hasn't been any action around this since February, so I swapped out the NPOV notice for a citation needed span. For all I know, the statements in that paragraph could be true, but it needs a citation to back them up, if they are. --Amlz (talk) 05:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

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The best I could find was

https://scanews.coffee/topics/legal/history-of-proposition-65-case-may-require-coffee-carry-cancer-label

The language of Proposition 65 was drafted by the Environmental Defense Fund

https://www.edf.org/health/primer-proposition-65

Former Environmental Defense Fund attorney, David Roe, helped write the proposition in the early 80s.

2606:6000:FECD:1400:6833:4A9F:5E1A:F021 (talk) 07:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Is with "no observable effect level" that meant: No-observed-adverse-effect level?--Calle Cool (talk) 12:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps somebody could upload a actual warningpicture. As I know the design is updated --Calle Cool (talk) 11:46, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi - is with the source Roe, id.,"Real-World Effects," at 281-282. this PDF meant? --Calle Cool (talk) 06:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

at the Information for the civil penalties I miss the Information "for each product sold in California". Aktuall it stand only "up to $2,500 per day for each violation". Or it is not right that a supplyer have to for each sold product?--Calle Cool (talk) 08:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

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