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Hello, Ciaurlec!

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BotMultichillT 05:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Image:Montemilone (18).jpg was uncategorized on 2 September 2009.

Ciao, mi sto occupando di pagine relative alle pietre da costruzione e mancano immagini sul marmo di Vezza, pare che sia stato usato nel portale della chiesa dei Santi Fabiano e Sebastiano a Precasaglio e vedo che hai scattato una foto della facciata. Se ne hai la possibilità sarebbe una gran cosa avere una foto del portale dove sia possibile riconoscere la tessitura della roccia. Grazie.Ciaurlec (talk) 13:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Ciao. Sì, il marmo di Vezza (o di Canè) è spesso utilizzato in edifici, soprattutto nei portali (signorili o religiosi) in alta Valle Camonica. Di che tipo di foto hai bisogno? Hai un fac-simile da mostrarmi? A presto. --Lord Hidelan 08:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Please follow these recommendations for using Edit Summaries. Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ 16:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Ciaurlec,
Désolé, je ne viens pas souvent sur Commons. Je ne découvre ton message qu'aujourd'hui (Afrique pour aire de répartition.svg). Tu as raison, j'ai créé plusieurs cartes "blanches" pour pouvoir les réutiliser et pour permettre à d'autres que moi d'en faire autant. J'ignorais qu'il fallait les catégoriser ailleurs. Peux-tu STP le faire pour moi ? ou me dire quelle catégorie employée. D'avance merci. Givet (talk) 07:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! You added Template:Image personnelle into the description... What is it for? The Image is used in several templates at German-language Wiki... --AleXXw •talk!•me@de.wp 22:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ho risposto al Bar.--Trixt (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

La vedo dura.. sinceramente non ho idea di che licenze tu possa aver bisogno, dovresti guardare nei vari siti degli enti da dove prendi le immagini! Più di questo non saprei dirti.. al massimo prova a mandare un'email chiedendo a chi ha fatto il software se ha un'idea di che licenza viene usata per le immagini. --Filnik^{\b[Rr]ock\b!?} 11:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can check for some common SVG problems at Commons:SVG Check. Bitmaps have to be embedded within the SVG file itself. I can't advise you on how to do that with Inkscape, because I don't use Inkscape to edit SVG files (only to test or convert SVG files). AnonMoos (talk) 01:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. I went ahead and tried to correct the categorization. I also added, and formatted some of the "see also" links. Thank you for your categorization work. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please go ahead with your changes. If I make any further maps like this, I will try to conform with the color conventions. I do not have a good color sense, and absolutely agree that consistency is important. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I understood the subject better - I am learning as I go along. The geologists' understanding seems to be evolving quickly, with new technology making it possible to understand the structure and history of the crust (and below) much better than in the past. I am concerned that I may be confusing old and new views of a subject in one article. Also, I do not yet know the right way to avoid extremely technical words, which will make most readers give up on the article, but to remain accurate. So ... feel free to translate, of course, but be critical of what you read in the articles I started and correct them if you can. It is a fascinating subject. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I wrote the list of names here.

I also see you want to learn animation. There is a very simple software, very good for begginers: Microsoft GIF Animator. Try it. It works with gif files and very easy to use. דקי 14:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible solution

‎עין לציון (talk) 20:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Ciaurlec, apparently you forgot to sign in. Did you? :-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 14:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i didn't noted i was not connected. :-( Is the request still valid, or i have to complete it in some way? Thanks. Ciaurlec (talk) 18:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, did not notice your reply here. Sure - it is valid and fixed. ;) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 19:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First: Discover a wonderful HotCat gadget for yourself. It makes reasonable edit summaries, although not so short as I would prefer. Not such dummy texts like "Moved to more specific category" which is only a bit better than nothing.

Second: Never put more general categories to specific ones, in Commons nor in Wikipedia. It would be better for you to abstain of altering categories of categories at all, unless you realize that it is a mistake regardless of (current) content. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You put this Churchill River map, this Saskatchewan River map, and South Nahanni River map, and this Slave River map in Category:Drainage basin maps of North America but you put this Yukon River into Category:Drainage basin maps of the United States. The Yukon is a cross-border river. Geo Swan (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Achillu (talk) 14:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, although I understand the rationale stated in the edit summary, removing Category:Maps by theme from this category is problematic, as it leaves the cat with only Maps of international relations - which isn't on the mark on itself for covering the conflicts theme: Conflicts can occur between Colorado and Wyoming, between neighbouring municipalities, and between territorial gangs on one street. A conflict is broader in meaning than just a military unrest between nations. Regardz, Orrlingtalk 00:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say I definitely agree with Orrling for that matter. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 16:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Buon giorno, Tu as modifié en décembre le fichier http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:European_Rivers.gif, en indiquant que celui-ci serait remplacé par un svg prochainement. Malheureusement la qualité du gif est très basse donc ta bonne intention ne donne pas un bon résultat depuis 5 mois. Peux-tu faire ta modification sur un svg ou sur le gif haute résolution? sinon il faudrait revenir au gif haute résolution. Merci d'avance

Fabriced28 (talk) 09:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Pauly D (8432689772).jpg, Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Pauly D (8431604795).jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Pauly D (8432696454).jpg, you state that these images are "clearly self promotion", which totally disregards that Pauly D is clearly notable, the photos were taken by a photographer who specialises in celebrity photos, and was uploaded by myself. Just where is the self-promotion which is so clear, as per your statement? russavia (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Relly, i purpose the files you uploaded for deletion because of a probable copyviol. I will again signal theese ones. I suggest to ask for help at map workshop to create some new copyright free maps. Take in care i have nothing against your work (i'm working too at some articles about indonesia on my mother language wikipedia). Because of lack of material on commons i make my own a request at kartenwerkstatt, take a look there too. Regards.--Ciaurlec (talk) 23:06, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ciaurlec. Actually, I don't mind anymore if those maps will be deleted. The qualities of them are low. I prefer to these ones. The maps which have been created by him are obviously awesome. The maps which I made by capturing them from Google Maps are not eye-catching. Do you know how to create maps like he has done? Tell me how. Thanks for your efforts to contribute something without copy violations.

Relly Komaruzaman | Talk 00:00, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Ciao Ciaurlec, ti segnalo il programma borse di partecipazione "Alessio Guidetti" per Wikimania 2015, che potrebbe esserti utile per partecipare al raduno mondiale degli utenti Wikimedia. Abbiamo prorogato i termini, c'è tempo fino alle 23.59 di martedì 28 aprile per fare richiesta.

Ti scrivo perché ho visto che ti dai da fare da queste parti e non hai ancora fatto richiesta. Perdonami se la segnalazione non è di tuo interesse. Nemo 08:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Scusa Ciaurlec, ma come ti viene in mente di svuotare la categoria specifica Category:Geography maps of Italy togliendo tutte le sue sottocategorie dei rivers, mountains, ecc. per rimetterle nella categoria generica delle "Maps of Italy"? Esigo una risposta! --DenghiùComm (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Non capisco la tua risposta. Qui non c'è nessuna sovracategorizzazione. Fiumi, montagne, golfi, ecc. sono categorie geografiche. Vatti a vedere la Category:Geography of Italy (o di qualche altra nazione) e vedrai che contiene queste sotto categorie. Quindi la parallela Category:Geography maps of Italy conterrà le parallele Maps of Rivers, Mountains, Gulfs, ecc. of Italy. Non c'è nessuna sovracategorizzazione. Quindi ti prego di ripristinare quanto hai disfatto. Grazie e buon lavoro. --DenghiùComm (talk) 13:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Le categorie servono a smistare e raccogliere files (o categorie) esistenti, al fine di permettere una più rapida individuazione del soggetto o dell'oggeto che interessa. Che questa categoria - a tuo dire - non esista in altre nazioni (cosa di cui dubito fortemente; ma non ho controllato) è assolutamente irrilevante. Le categorie si realizzano per necessità, non perché ne esiste una analoga in altre nazioni. Fra l'altro l'Italia ha una situazione così ricca dal punto di vista paesaggistico e soprattutto artistico, architettonico e culturale, che è piena di categorie che non esistono per altre nazioni. Per poi entrare nel merito della nostra divergenza, c'è da dire che una cosa sono i luoghi; altra cosa sono le rappresentazioni di quei luoghi (maps, views, paintings, drawings, historical images, ecc.). Non puoi togliere la categoria della rappresentazione di un luogo al suo luogo, o al suo genere di rappresentazione, o al suo soggetto. Distinguere i vari rami non è una sovracategorizzazione. Un luogo rientra nella sua geografia (cioé comune di riferimento, che rientra nella sua regione di riferimento, che rientra nella sua nazione); altro ramo è la sua rappresentazione (foto recente, foto storica, disegno, pittura, carta geografica); altro ramo è la sua cronologia (p.es. il periodo o la data dell'immagine, o della sua rappresentazione artistica, ecc.); altro ramo è il suo soggetto (chi o cosa è rappresentato); ecc.. Tutti questi rami di categorie sono paralleli, che confluiscono infine in uno stesso luogo, o interagiscono fra di loro, talora fondendosi in una nuova unica categoria. Se abbiamo la regione Liguria con tante belle immagini dei suoi luoghi, e abbiamo mappe geografiche della regione Liguria, queste possono stare insieme nella stessa categoria Liguria fin tanto che non viene realizzata la categoria delle Maps of Liguria: è in quel momento che a tutte le planimetrie della Liguria vengono tolte la categoria Liguria e la categoria Maps of Italy e viene assegnata la nuova categoria di Maps of Liguria, alla quale (ripeto: alla sola categoria della quale) verranno assegnate le due categorie precedenti che la distinguono, cioè quella della Liguria e quella delle Maps of Italy. Questo è il sistema; e così è organizzato tutto l'albero di categorizzazioni di Commons. Quindi distinguere Geography of Italy dalle Geographical maps of Italy non è una sovracategorizzazione ma la corretta distinzione dei luoghi dalle loro rappresentazioni. E' a queste rappresentazioni che va data la relativa categoria del luogo (quindi nel nostro caso alla categoria delle Maps of mountains of Italy la categoria delle Mountains of Italy, per intenderci). Spero di averti chiarito il sistema. Quindi ti rinnovo l'invito a ripristinare la giusta e corretta categorizzazione che vi era precedentemente. Grazie. Ciao e buon lavoro. --DenghiùComm (talk) 14:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nel frattempo, non vedendoti più attivo su Commons e non sapendo quando saresti tornato a lavorarci, ho risistemato - come avrai visto - le categorie delle piante geografiche nella relativa categoria superiore. Ciao e buon lavoro. --DenghiùComm (talk) 17:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ciaurlec ! Se tu non sei d'accordo sul nome della Category:Geography maps of Italy allora apri una discussione su come rinominarla; non la svuoti semplicemente, e chi si è visto si è visto. In questo momento nella Category:Maps of Italy vi sono tutte le piante e mappe d'Italia tranne quelle che riguardano i monti, i fiumi, i laghi, le isole, e quant'altro. Ti invito ad aprire al più presto una discussione al Bar italiano su questa categoria che tu hai svuotato. Così si procede. Non costringermi a segnalarti come vandalo: perché - se non ti è chiaro - quello che tu hai fatto si configura nettamente come un vandalismo! Saluti, --DenghiùComm (talk) 14:05, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lo so bene che io posso reinserire le categorie che tu hai tolto: ma che facciamo, io le metto e tu me le ritogli? Déjà vu, grazie. Comunque aprirò una discussione al Bar italiano che è più visibile che non nella talk specifica della categoria, dove - come ben avrai notato - nessuno se ne accorge, ed hai voglia di aspettare che qualcuno intervenga a dire la sua opinione passando di lì per caso. Ciao. --DenghiùComm (talk) 17:44, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vorrei ben discutere il tutto in inglese (ho visto la discussione del 2011), ma lo so troppo poco. Per me è già fin troppo impegnativa questa discussione in italiano (è tutto il pomeriggio che sto guardando in giro che cosa c'è, per farmi un'idea un po' più ampia); in inglese tutto questo mi è impossibile! Comunque ho aperto la discussione al Bar italiano, e come concludo là, le decisioni che prenderemo insieme potranno essere proposte a tutto il progetto Commons. Credo che è senz'altro più facile discuterne prima fra di noi, ed il resto del mondo di Commons coinvolgerlo solo in un secondo momento, quando avremo preso una decisione fra di noi, oppure nel caso non fossimo riusciti ad arrivare ad una soluzione condivisa. Comunque sei invitato anche tu a dire la tua al Bar. Ciao e buona notte. --DenghiùComm (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Il "Bar italiano" non è su wikipedia. E' il portale di discussione della comunità di lingua italiana qui su Commons. Il link lo trovi qui sopra, a sinistra, sotto il logo di Commons, nel riquadro "navigazione". Ciao. --DenghiùComm (talk) 10:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Images like File:PP Miocenní sladkovodní vápence, stěna (001).jpg does not depict geological cross sections?--Juandev (talk) 21:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted some of your excisions of Category:Bird's-eye view. I was concerned that you hadn't read Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/09/Category:Bird's-eye view. You are certainly entitled to think that Category:Aerial photographs is more appropriate for some images. But, if you think so I think you have an obligation to explain your reasoning. Geo Swan (talk) 13:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)`[reply]

There is a discussion at en:Talk:Geology_of_Great_Britain about the new colours you introduced to File:Geology Map UK.svg. Your help would be appreciated. Ciao. Burninthruthesky (talk) 08:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ciao, un messaggio dalla Commissione Borse Alessio Guidetti Ciao, come forse saprai quest'anno Wikimania, il raduno annuale delle comunità Wikimedia, si terrà a Esino Lario (Lecco) dal 22 al 28 giugno. Come per le scorse edizioni dell'evento, anche per il 2016 l'associazione Wikimedia Italia intende rendere disponibili alcune borse di partecipazione. Potete trovare il bando di partecipazione con tutti i dettagli a questo link. La scadenza è il 30 aprile 2016, ore 23:59 CEST. Trovate invece tutte le informazioni su Wikimania Esino Lario sul sito ufficiale dell'evento Grazie, e un sincero augurio di buon lavoro e buon divertimento sull'enciclopedia libera :-) per non ricevere più questa tipologia di messaggi rimuovi il tuo nome da queste liste

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Sauri-Arabier (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao, vorrei qualche chiarimento sul file "Isole Curzolane.svg" cha hai caricato su Commons.. e cioè su quali basi hai incluso quelle isole nelle Curzolane, poiché mi sto interessando all'argomento e scrivendo le voci.. le mie ricerche (lunghe ed affannose e con "dotte indicazioni") mi hanno portato a concludere che "curzolane" sono solo: Curzola, Meleda e Lastovo (con Cazza e Cazziol), e non Solta, Lesina, Brazza, e Lissa.. Attendo lumi.. grazie --Betta27 (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Allora ti devo confermare quanto sopra.. dovrò rivedere in tal senso quanto ho fatto finora in proposito.. Le uniche basi esistenti sono la cit. della Treccani e la conferma da parte del prof. Fares della Socierà Geografica Italiana... Ho cercato in tutte le biblioteche possibili e niente contraddice o spiega meglio. Quindi le Curzolane sono: Curzola, Meleda e Lastovo (con il suo arcipelago, Cazza e Cazziol). Sì, sarebbe quindi bene modificare l'immagine, quanto prima modificherò le voci.. Grazie! --Betta27 (talk) 18:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, in croato non c'è nessuna definizione delle "curzolane". Le uniche loro suddivisioni sono "regionali" (File:Counties of Croatia-fr.svg). In questo caso le curzolane coincidono con le isole della regione raguseo-narentana, mentre Solta, Lesina, Brazza, e Lissa sono nella regione spalatino-dalmata. Ho una mappa della "regionalizacija hrvatskih otoka" (del prof. Josip Faričić, Zadar) che mostra appunto questa suddivisione delle isole (te la manderei.. ma non so come)..--Betta27 (talk) 09:19, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ti ho poi mandato l'originale della mappa in questione?... ero sicura di sì... ma forse mi sono sbagliata nell'invio.. Fammi sapere. grazie--Betta27 (talk) 10:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC) - Scusa, come non detto.. ho visto ora la tua mail....--Betta27 (talk) 10:39, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Magari tu ne sai meglio di me.. ad ogni modo penso che questa dovrebbe/potrebbe essere la traduzione per la mappa: (quando hai la mappa rifaccio la voce isole curzolane)

• Suddivisione regionale delle isole croate
• A) kvarnerski - Quarnerine
• B) srednjodalmatinski - Dalmazia centrale
• C) sjeverodalmatinski - Dalmazia settentrionale
• D) južnodalmatinski - Dalmazia meridionale
• E) zapadnoistarski - Occidentali istriane

Grazie, --Betta27 (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2016 (UTC) - ...nella notte ho pensato che bisogna tradurre meglio il titolo (Regionalizacija hrvatskih otoka).. forse solo: "Suddivisione delle isole croate" (Regionalizzazione..?) --Betta27 (talk) 08:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mi accorgo che la lista dei nomi qui sopra che ti ho mandato.. ha due denominazioni invertite, sarebbe quindi:

• A) kvarnerski - Quarnerine
• B) sjeverodalmatinski - Dalmazia settentrionale
• C) srednjodalmatinski - Dalmazia centrale
• D) južnodalmatinski - Dalmazia meridionale
• E) zapadnoistarski - Occidentali istriane

--Betta27 (talk) 09:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao, m'inserisco nella disc. su segnalazione di Betta27 per la traduzione della mappa che t'ha inviato via e-mail, elencando di seguito alcuni suggerimenti.

• Io tradurrei il titolo "Regionalizacija hrvatskih otoka" con "Suddivisione delle isole croate secondo le regioni geografiche", quindi cercando d'essere più fedeli al senso che ad una traduzione letterale.
• Se possibile, inizierei la numerazione in lettere da nord a sud, dando quindi la A all'attuale E, la B all'attuale A, la C all'attuale B, la D all'attuale C, la E all'attuale D.
• Con questa nuova numerazione, in legenda farei stare vicino al rettangolo colorato il nome in italiano seguito dal nome in croato in corsivo e tra parentesi (con la prima lettera maiusc.): A - Isole Occidentali istriane (Zapadnoistarski); B - Isole Quarnerine (Kvarnerski); C - Isole della Dalmazia settentrionale (Sjeverodalmatinski); D - Isole della Dalmazia centrale (Srednjodalmatinski); E - Isole della Dalmazia meridionale (Južnodalmatinski).
• "Jadransko more" va tradotto con "mar Adriatico".
• I toponimi delle città vanno tradotti nel seguente modo: mettendo prima in carattere normale il nome italiano e poi, a capo, in carattere leggermente minore e tra parentesi ed in corsivo il toponimo ufficiale (es. Nome italiano (Nome croato) oppure in caso di comune bilingue Nome italiano (Nome croato o sloveno/Nome italiano)): Koper -> Capodistria (a capo) (Koper/Capodistria); Pula -> Pola (a capo) (Pula/Pola); Rijeka -> Fiume (a capo) (Rijeka); Zadar -> Zara (a capo) (Zadar); Šibenik -> Sebenico (a capo) (Šibenik); Split -> Spalato (a capo) (Split); Dubrovnik -> Ragusa (a capo) (Dubrovnik).
• Nella rosa dei venti sostituire "W" con "O".
• Aggiungere in maiuscolo in grassetto, magari in grigio, i nomi degli stati: ITALIA, AUSTRIA, SLOVENIA, CROAZIA, BOSNIA ED ERZEGOVINA, MONTENEGRO.
• Aggiungere in minuscolo in grassetto, magari in grigio, i nomi di alcune regioni: Istria (sull'Istria), Quarnaro (al centro dell'insieme B, ex A), Dalmazia (in lungo ed in obliquo sulla terraferma parallelo alla linea di costa degli insiemi C-D-E, ex B-C-D).

Vi propongo (a te e Betta27) di rispondere qui e non nella mia pag. di disc. per non frammentare la conversazione. -- Gi87 (talk) 19:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• 
  Prova con mappa "ONU"
• 
  Prova con mappa "Blank map"

Ciao, in primis mi scuso per il ritardo, purtroppo al momento ho poco tempo da dedicare ai progetti di Wikimedia. Qui ci sono due bozze di mappa, che potrebbero servire da base. Quella dell ONU ha già impostati una serie di dati cartografici, ma il dettaglio cartografico della Blank map è migliore. Concordo con molte delle proposte fatte, ma proporrei per gli insiemi C,D,E "Isole Dalmate (Settentrionali, Centrali, Meridionali)" in luogo di "Isole della Dalmazia", sul modello di "Isole Istriane" e "Isole Quarnerine".--Ciaurlec (talk) 21:56, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao.. bentornato e buon 2017! Sì, la "blank" è come quella che ti ho mandato (di Faricic) ed è meglio senz'altro. La generale potresti lasciarla come l'originale con divisioni tratteggiate e legenda dei colori? Per i nomi mi piace "dalmate". Io non esagererei con l'aggiunta di nomi..., la mia idea era di lasciarla come l'originale solo tradotta e così poter citare la fonte. (La centrerei maggiormente togliendo sopra e a destra..). Ho già modificato la voce Isole della Croazia dove è destinata.. Grazie.. e resto in attesa --Betta27 (talk) 20:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Buon anno anche a te. Anch'io preferisco aver come base la seconda ("Blank map"), ci aggiungerei magari ancora la suddivisione regionale della Croazia oltre a tagliare un po' a dx ed in basso come suggerito da Betta. Oltre quanto scritto sopra, va bene anche a me l'accorpamento del gruppo C, D ed E in un'unico gruppo C "Isole Dalmate". Terrei però le sottosuddivisioni di settentrionali, centrali e meridionali mettendo C1, C2, C3 ed usando un unico colore per il gruppo ma declinato in tre diverse tonalità a seconda del sottogruppo. Ok ad aver un piccolo tratteggio tipo perpendicolare alla costa tra un gruppo e l'altro di isole, ma eviterei di contornare tutte le isole per non appensantire troppo il disegno. Secondo me non è un problema se rielaboriamo la mappa secondo le nostre necessità, la fonte si può citare in ogni caso. -- Gi87 (talk) 09:28, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao, volevo dirti di non darti pena per il file immagine isole dalmate.. l'abbiamo completato, Abbiamo chiesto al prof. Faricic di caricare il suo su Commons per avere automaticamente i diritti di modificare/pubblicare.. ma non abbiamo ancora avuto risposta.. quindi il file in teoria c'è... ma non è ancora disponibile :-( --Betta27 (talk) 15:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I just sent you an email because I couldn't find the place to discuss the deletion of this file. It is free to use, with accreditation. Please see here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Arbil44 (talk) 12:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Your correction to my map "status of the Metropolitans Cities at the beginning of 2015" introduces an error: Venice got that status only on 1st June, so this was not yet the case. Best regards, --Jfblanc (talk) 11:56, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Grazie per aver contribuito con le tue fotografie all'edizione 2022 di Wiki Loves Monuments. La pregiuria ha selezionato le foto finaliste tra cui saranno scelti i vincitori: Castelli, Monumenti. La cerimonia di premiazione si terrà sabato 3 dicembre a Formigine: se sei interessato a partecipare segui gli aggiornamenti sulla pagina dell'evento.--Ysogo (talk) 17:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Questo messaggio è stato inviato tramite il sistema Global message delivery)[reply]

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Anche quest’anno torna Wiki Loves Monuments: da oggi al 30 settembre puoi partecipare caricando le tue foto per contribuire a illustrare il patrimonio culturale italiano: vai sul sito wikilovesmonuments.it e scopri come fare!

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