Commons:Deletion requests/Incorrect PD Netherlands (government works)

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• File:Dutch soldier in Afghanistan 1.jpg,
• File:Dutch Army ISAF in Afghanistan.jpg,
• File:Dutch Soldier on Patrol in Afghanistan.jpg,
• File:Dutch soldiers in Afghanistan returning from a mission.jpg,
• File:Dutch Exploration Unit in Afghanistan 2007.jpg,
• File:Dutch Army transporting goods in Afghanistan.jpg,
• File:Afghan soldiers in Afghanistan.jpg,
• File:Afghan boy watches Dutch soldiers pass by.jpg,
• File:Jack de Vries Defense.jpg, are all from http://www.defensie.nl/ and tagged with {{PD-NL-Gov}}. From the licence template : In principle all works communicated to the public by or on behalf of the public authorities (government) are not copyright protected in the Netherlands, unless the copyright has been reserved explicitly, either in a general manner by law, decree or ordinance, or in a specific case by a notice on the work itself or at the communication to the public. The rights are reserved at http://www.defensie.nl/servicemenu/help/ : Het auteursrecht op de website wordt door het ministerie van Defensie voorbehouden. Onder voorwaarde dat de bron vermeld wordt, mogen onderdelen van de inhoud van de website worden overgenomen. So the licence is incorrect. Multichill (talk) 13:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete, some of this images was already marked as no permission, like File:Jack de Vries Defense.jpg, the uploader removed the no permission template and put the reason for deletion, the terms of use in http://www.defensie.nl/servicemenu/help/, as permission. He accused me to not read the laws, which was wrong, and oneself he not read the easiest informations. The images are nonfree, so delete. --Martin H. (talk) 13:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete Unfortunately, the ministry reserves copyright. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 14:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

   Keep per Ciell's link #www.mindef.nl. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete, I've also (mistakenly) removed the no permission template on some of those because I thought {{PD-NL-Gov}} applied, but in light of the above quote, it is clear that it doesn't. By the way, it's a shame that the {{No permission}} template doesn't include a reason= argument (like the {{Copyvio}} template does), because in some cases it is not obvious why permission is required. --Tryphon (talk) 14:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, i know, that nomination wasn't clear. I send mindef an email, see if we can get some images released. This deletion request can stay open in the meantime. Multichill (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment The PD may refer to old mailcontact between a user from wikipedia-nl to the ministry of defence, see nl:Overleg_help:Gebruik_van_openbare_bronnen#www.mindef.nl. Ciell (talk) 13:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I follow the page Ciell just noticed I think the could stay under {{atributtion}} Abigor talk 14:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The permission is realy old (Dec. 2002) and not stored in OTRS, also the website is totaly restructured. The Nov. 2002 version of the website also contains a copyright notice, so we can be hopeful that permission is given again, but i would not extend an permission of something old to something new. Lets wait what Multichills request will bring. --Martin H. (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went old school and did send a fax to the Ministirie van Defensie. I am still waiting for a formal responds. Abigor talk 18:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment got a response: De afbeeldingen die te vinden zijn op www.defensie.nl mogen helaas niet gebruikt worden voor commerciële doeleinden. Hierbij wil ik u dan ook laten weten dat wij geen afbeeldingen willen vrijgeven aan Wikimedia Commons. (commercial usage is not allowed). Multichill (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Non-commercial use only. –Tryphon^☂ 21:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]