Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levon Pashabezyan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. As there is a question as to the partcipation in Senior-level events, there appears to be similar no consensus to delete at this point (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Levon Pashabezyan

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TKD fighter with some success as a junior, however that does not show notability. Subject currently is ranked at 109 in his weight division. Fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:MANOTE. Has not competed at the highest level as an adult and the article lacks significant coverage (only a listing of some of his results).

Keep User TheShadowCrow has presented enough evidence to convince me. Papaursa (talk) 22:37, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - He can't "fail" Athlete if no critera is given for taekwondo.

Under Generally acceptable standards: have participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics.

Levon has competed at the World Championships twice. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't remove the AfD notice on the subject's page. Junior events don't count. I would agree he competed once at a world championship, although I couldn't find any results. I would also suggest you look at the martial arts criteria at WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 22:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The link wasn't there at the time. And check his taekwondo page under "results". --TheShadowCrow (talk) 22:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Participated" isn't a result to me. How many bouts did he win? How many were in his division? What place did he come in? Papaursa (talk) 22:11, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Click 'rivals and results' --TheShadowCrow (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Papaursa (talk) 22:37, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Do you withdraw your nomination?--TheShadowCrow (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would if I knew how. I have a request in at the help desk. Papaursa (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not appear to have recived significant coverage mutiple reiliable sources. Mt king^(edits) 03:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE.--Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:04, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It all depends on how you view notability. If you go to http://www.taekwondodata.com/levon-pashabezyan.a746.html#top you'll see he's competed twice at the senior world championships and five times at the European senior championships. It's true he's not had much success, but that seems like evidence he's competed at the highest level, especially given that he actually won a match at one of the world championship events. I find multiple world championship appearances and actually winning a match sufficient, but others may not. I agree the article needs improvement, but that's not an AfD issue. Papaursa (talk) 00:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak Keep His international record is unimpressive, with first fight losses in 6 of the 7 competitions mentioned by Papaursa, but the fact that he represented Armenia at 5 European championships implies that he was #1 in his country at least 5 years and a 5 time national champion seems notable. If so, it would be good if the article documented that. Mdtemp (talk) 14:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:58, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 04:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - His win record is irrelevant. What is relevant is that he has competed in multiple European and World championships at senior level. [1] and [2] are further evidence he did actually compete in the European championships. Someone with access to Armenian sources would be very helpful in expanding the article. Lukeno94 (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.